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Dippy, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

Eh. Something clearly needs to be done, and the concerns aren’t being addressed (and haven’t been for awhile). Congress and the senate haven’t done anything aside from attempt to impeach hunter Biden (from who knows what) or show off his dick.

Doubtful it’s any kind of civil war, but Texas (and other states) is being hit hard by the number of immigrants, and if the federal government can’t (or won’t?) do anything to curb it, makes sense that they will do something on their own.

BrokenGlepnir,

The federal government is doing things. The lying Anus governor of Texas is pretending they aren’t because it gets him good boy points with his mob.

sharkaccident,

I never understood why Republicans hate immigrants. Low educated labor that is highly religious. And if crimes are committed, these people can fuel the incarceration complex America has as well.

frunch, (edited )

These are all reasons why they actually enjoy immigration. As a hot-button topic, this has paid out endlessly and will continue to because there’s no way immigration will be solved peacefully. So they get the fearmongering and political outrage out of it, in addition to cheap labor, and bogeymen to pin rape/violence on as well. They’re the perfect target for them to hate, and they love to hate. Nothing gets an old Republican fired up like illegal Mexicans coming here with their guns and drugs and taking our jobs and sending all the money back home and raping our daughters (“well not my daughter, but y’know” 🤠 ) and bringing caravans more of em in their wake

Dippy,

Same. Tons of hard working people that do a lot behind the scenes. But South Park probably got it right with ‘they took errr jerbs!’ Jobs they wouldn’t do themselves anyway.

drmeanfeel,

Republican voters hate immigrants. It’s a target the GOP can point at while knowing the flow of cheap labor will continue from increasing desperation all while they “heroically fight at the border”.

uienia,

but Texas (and other states) is being hit hard by the number of immigrants, and if the federal government can’t (or won’t?) do anything to curb it, makes sense that they will do something on their own.

That’s the thing though, they aren’t. Things aren’t worse than they were, this is a manufactured crisis because Republicans need some kind of tangible policy to lie about to their voters for the upcoming election. Just like the immigrant caravan which disappeared as suddenly as it appeared (as in it never existed) the previous election.

mkwt,

I don’t think this is an accurate view of the current border situation, but it’s a view that one might have consuming media from a different kind of media bubble than the Fox News kind.

There really is a situation with migrants who cross the river illegally and immediately turn themselves in and claim asylum. This isn’t a new situation, but the numbers have gotten worse over the last year.

The migrant caravans, plural, really did and do exist. What tends to happen is they gather into thousands strong mass marches in and around Tapachula, after crossing from Guatemala to Mexico. So these big marches start towards the US in southern Mexico, but they tend to break up and thin out over the 1800 mile journey to Texas.

If anyone could organize a mass foot march over the whole distance, that would be an extremely impressive feat of logistics. But that hasn’t happened yet.

Conclusions: this border situation is not completely made up. Many right wing conspiracies going around have some kind of kernel of truth to then.

And some mainstream media outlets (I have this experience with NPR in particular) have started to seemingly impose total blackouts on not just the conspiracy ideas, but also on the little nuggets of true news that get them started.

FMT99,

Just like in Europe, to say there is no problem with migration is false, but to present it as an existential problem for the country or even the state is ridiculous. Starting a civil war over ‘nuggets’ of truth seems pretty dang evil.

Dippy,

Yup! Thank you. It’s not as big as it’s being made out to be (obviously people trying to get political points), but it’s still an issue that does need to be addressed, and it is disproportionately effecting some more than others. No one is going to start at civil war over something like this.

FooBarrington,

Can you share the numbers you’re referencing? What were the numbers like before they got worse, what are they like now?

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Yeah, no. This is still an entirely manufactured crisis. Even if what you’re claiming is really happening, it’s still being framed as a problem, which it’s not.

Our colonialist pearl-clutching over the southern border has got to stop. It’s fucked up that you’re perpetuating this brand of fascism.

naught,

I appreciate hearing a differing view from my own here, genuinely.

I listen to NPR frequently and I have heard many segments about the border and especially asylum seekers.

npr.org/…/migrants-u-s-southern-border-historic-n…

npr.org/…/immigration-border-election-presidentia…

I see this a lot, “the liberal media doesn’t want you to know!” or “why isn’t anyone talking about this!” meanwhile everyone including the lefty sources are indeed talking about it.

The problem is, only one party wants to do anything to actually ease the crisis. Republicans are a half step away from suggesting land mines at the border because trying to escape to the land of the free for a better life is illegal, and that apparently should mean death for you.

dragonflyteaparty,

Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

uscis.gov/…/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states

shortwavesurfer, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

The US is the next empire to fall. I am a US citizen and i am taking steps to GTFO if needed. I have an e-residency and ID card from another nation and am working up to the investment for full citizenship.

Kidplayer_666,

I mean, the issue is that most of the rest of the so called free World (and in my opinion correctly so), especially Europe, depends on the US for defence, specially weapon production. Despite France constantly whining about it, insisting on strategic autonomy, as far as I am aware, when it comes to ammo production and air power, we very much depend on the US for production and designs (the design when it comes to aircraft)

shortwavesurfer,

The United States military should scale way back, but the European military would have to increase because of what you mentioned with designs for specialty weapons.

Kidplayer_666,

We have reasonable designs for almost all weapon categories, except maybe for airplanes, with the latest being the Eurofighter which is by now a bit dated. Regarding Tanks, the German Leopard is as far as I am aware a fine piece of engineering as well as the belgian FN-SCAR. However we lack the ammo capabilities (especially when it comes to artillery shells) to ever have hope of winning a protracted war (or simply keeping Ukraine alive). (also, quick side note, France also spends a great deal of money maintaining their own nuclear arsenal and weapons delivery system, which kinda makes the UK seem a bit puny with their dependence of the US for weapon delivery)

tburkhol,

If the American empire falls, it’s not going to reduce weapons production or arms sales. Decline into fascism requires more guns and bullets, as they get turned against domestic targets, while guns and oil are among the US’s best sources of external currency.

LrdThndr,

Please explain the e-residency and id card thing. I’m in the red area and really really don’t want to be.

CoffeeJunkie,

LordThunder: “Fuck, I’m surrounded by Republicans! Where are you going? I’ll come with!”

Shortwavesurfer: 😬

shortwavesurfer,

Oh, then the place I am looking at would definitely not work for you. I don’t think… Ever heard of Liberland?

LrdThndr,

Oh. Yeah. That’s gonna be a no from me dawg. Thank you for the reply though.

Forester, (edited )
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Just FYI, Estonia is a real country and also viable.

But I think I’d much rather stay on the 5th column.

GhostsAreShitty,

A country run on a blockchain. Fucking yikes. I think a “ship of fools” is putting it generously.

dustyData, (edited )

This reminds me of Auroville, a village in India that’s supposed to be an Utopia of socialism and new humanist living. But when you look beyond the marketing and the veneer of spirituality, it’s just a bunch of people living in poverty and giving their money to a group of leeches.

DandomRude, (edited ) in If Trump wins the election
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I think Europe would then be forced to intensify its relations with China. Since China has so far been somewhat cautiously supportive of Russia’s military expansion policy, or at least has not decisively sanctioned it, I think that would be a reasonable way of minimizing the risk of military aggression from Russia in the first place. I hardly believe that Russia would risk a military conflict with Europe if they could not expect support or even just tolerance of such actions from China. The consequence for the USA would then not only be a loss of strategic military influence in Europe, but probably also considerable losses in terms of trade and so on.

DarkNightoftheSoul, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

Tangentially related: mander.xyz/comment/7170064 that was after Jan. 6, and no we fucked around and didnt do any of this shit.

Asudox, in What are some interesting thinking skills or strategies you've picked up from programming (or anywhere else, but try to stick to programming for now)
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Some parts in math in high school got easier.

DarkNightoftheSoul, (edited ) in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

Seems to be a distinct possibility. Posturing prior to the election, rattling sabers, they’re spoiling for a full-on shootin’ war contingent on losing the election, in my opinion.

edit: I dare say, it might even be strategically advantageous for them to intentionally try lose, claim it was rigged, and use that to go live with the 4th riech.

LeadEyes,

I think the tactical nukes will slow their ambitions for another hundred or so years. We can’t take these posturing fools seriously.

deweydecibel,

We can’t take these posturing fools seriously

Have you just not been paying attention for the last…decade?

Yes, we absolutely should.

Mirshe,

And yet, we must. Assume your enemy will lose, but prepare for them to win.

Corkyskog,
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No one is using a tactical nuke on US soil. We have enough conventional bombs to destroy ourselves anyway.

Aussiemandeus, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?
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Certainly would be exciting as an Australian

cashews_best_nut,

I found your wife! --> 🦘

simple,

It would be rad for me too. I don’t wish harm to Americans of course, but I think it’s about time they start throwing hands instead of whining on the internet 24/7 about how much they hate eachother.

Kecessa, (edited )

Seen from the outside and ignoring all the innocent people suffering, I would love one thing about the USA splitting up, it would be the perfect example of how shitty things can get when people don’t realize they live in conservative locations that depend on the goodwill of more progressive locations. Split the USA like on OP’s map and just watch as the red part devolves into a third world country.

leraje, in If Trump wins the election
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It’s an isolationist policy. The US military doesn’t have military bases/presences across Europe (and elsewhere) out of the goodness of its heart or to protect Europe. They also do it because their military realises that its much, much better to have bases somewhere where they can strike an international enemy quickly from. It’s a militarily mutually beneficial arrangement.

So, the US would lose that early strike capability. They’d also lose all the intelligence benefits having people on the ground brings with it. Also, should it happen and Europe was successfully invaded, US businesses would either temporarily or permanently lose access to one of their biggest trade export blocs and a large amount of access to imports too.

NeoNachtwaechter,

It’s an isolationist policy.

That is a trend that is happening anyway, and it has started even years before trumpeltier’s election (he has pushed it much further, though).

crony, in How do you cope with the state of the world today?
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Don’t read/watch news. That’s the only advice I can trully gie you since news are made to purposfully make people restless.

Ainiriand, in How do you cope with the state of the world today?

I just don’t read news and I try to focus on my own life instead. Try to put social media to minimum/

1984, (edited ) in What are some interesting thinking skills or strategies you've picked up from programming (or anywhere else, but try to stick to programming for now)
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Breaking down problems in smaller pieces you can solve / reason about so they don’t feel overwhelming. This is a very good life skill as well.

cheese_greater,

I like the functional programming approach :)

cmgvd3lw, in What are some interesting thinking skills or strategies you've picked up from programming (or anywhere else, but try to stick to programming for now)

No matter how you do, there are always other efficient ways.

NemoWuMing, (edited ) in What opera do you think has a good production that was shared freely on the Internet?

The Magic Flute (the movie version by Ingmar Bergman)

Great production value, and it’s one of the few operas where the singers actually look like their characters, while also being good singers).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQxByt7dNM

weird_nugget, in Can anyone here get Gboard to gesture type "Lemmy"?

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fubarx, in What are some interesting thinking skills or strategies you've picked up from programming (or anywhere else, but try to stick to programming for now)

That things like tests, inline comments, and READMEs are helpful notes to my future self.

cheese_greater,

I want to (dont currently) live by

don’t be a dick to future u

acockworkorange,

I’ll let future me do that.

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