What is Something Scientific that you just don't believe in at all?
EDIT: Let’s cool it with the downvotes, dudes. We’re not out to cut funding to your black hole detection chamber or revoke the degrees of chiropractors just because a couple of us don’t believe in it, okay? Chill out, participate with the prompt and continue with having a nice day. I’m sure almost everybody has something to add.
Pretty sure there is study that corroborates the claim. Being a middle child, the idea of us being black sheep seems to be true. Though the black sheep stereotype complements my personality anyway, as I have always been a maverick.
Oh yeah, I know that not all of human behaviour is directly caused by something. Even if there is broad explanation, we are all still humans that still deviate from programming.
I mean, carbon capture works but if people are not willing to pay 5$ extra to prevent the CO2 from being emitted then they sure as hell are not going to pay 50$ to capture it. And capturing will almost always be more expensive than not producing it.
Okay yeah that’s true. I should have been cognizant that not being economically viable / efficient enough does not mean it’s impossible/I don’t believe it’s real. Definitely works.
EU carbon permits shot up from €20 and have been hovering under €100 a tonne post-COVID. ~€200 is when existing direct air capture starts to become competitive. If it can be scaled at that price, we might be closer than we think.
Yes, an absolute scam. Perfect for a demonstration project for a big polluter to point at to discourage legislation that would threaten their business model. Not useful for reducing carbon emissions at scale.
I’m probably going to get eviscerated for this, but that sexuality is purely genetic. I think that for the vast majority of people, sexuality is way more fluid than not, and much more influenced by environment than people would like to think.
I also don’t think that has any bearing on people’s right to choose.
As a member of the LGBTQ community, I fully agree.
I’ve believed that we are a mix of nature and nurture for as long as I can remember, and it stands to reason that sexuality is a part of that. I also think the vast majority of people are far more sexually fluid than they would admit due to cultural stigma. Not everyone is bi, but I do think there’s a bell curve.
That said. I do also believe that people are born the way they are and the nurture aspect is more of a determining factor for how they express not who they are. I was raised and socialized as a straight male but realized in my 30’s that I’m queer and non-binary. Realizing that put so much context to the struggles I had growing up on a Christian environment and solidified for me that this is who I am, despite how I was nurtured. But had I not gotten out of the religion, I’d have never changed and just silently suffered and struggled until I died. My expression wouldn’t have changed who I am, only how I acted.
You can believe what you want to believe, you didn’t say it in a hateful way at all.
I’m curious about what your opinion would be of trans people going through HRT though. When starting hormone therapy you are warned of potential changes to your sexuality. I am transfem, and prior to transitioning I was bi. Since starting HRT, I tend to have an aversion to men sexually and am more lesbian aligned now.
I guess that is fluidity and environmental factors, but biological factors even still.
Other people meanwhile experience the opposite effect (which is what I expected) or none at all.
I don’t know about transitioning, other than I probably would have thought I was trans if I’d been born later. I’m glad I wasn’t told I’d have to go through surgery and hormone replacements to be what I truly am. I was able to define my gender for myself.
But I don’t think anyone can judge another person’s choices like that. I just look forward to the day when people are allowed to freely make choices about how they live their own lives. I don’t think either political side is terribly flexible. (Though certainly, the right is far more rigid.)
I’ve seen too many people ostracized for changing their minds about being trans or changing their sexuality by people they thought were open-minded friends. Or people hated on for changing their faith by those who pretend to follow a loving God. It’s painful all around. We shouldn’t have to agree with someone on every point to celebrate and adore them.
Just wanted to pop in here and say: no one is being told they have to go through surgery and hormone replacements to be who they are. In fact, things are changing in the opposite direction. There used to be laws requiring physical surgeries to be able to legally change one’s gender but those have mostly been removed.
The options are there and are becoming more widely available and easier to access for those who want them. They are major life choices that aren’t taken lightly. I can tell you right now, if you weren’t trans then, you wouldn’t be now either. You would be suffering and begging for treatment, not stumbling into it out of mere curiousity.
It’s not curiosity. I never felt like my gender. I’ve always been a fish out of water, and been extremely uncomfortable in my body. The way trans people describe feeling is how I’ve felt for the majority of my life.
But in the years since, I’ve come to terms with who I am and what my body is. I no longer feel the need to make it be anything other than what it is.
Not op, but I went a bit through HRT, then desisted (primarily because of financial issues, then because I didn’t identity with the opposite sex anymore). IMO transgenderism is understandable because many gender norms seem socially constructed, but transexualism (including HRT and surgeries) is a mental disorder or a maladaptive coping mechanism or immaturity leading to people not actually understanding and not accepting their bodies function, and I believe social contagion is true. It is pretty concerning minors are allowed to HRT since they bodies including their minds didn’t fully develop yet (which goes until age ~24). There’s a ton of detrans who regret going through transexual procedures.
I am transfem, and prior to transitioning I was bi. Since starting HRT, I tend to have an aversion to men sexually and am more lesbian aligned now.
I don’t think this has anything to do with you going through HRT. It just shows how your natural hormones and nature are still strong enough to do what is natural. It’s just immaturity; time went and you matured, even with HRT. Most natural women are actually attracted solely to men in comparison.
I tried searching for scientific articles but didn’t find a source on this 1%. Could you share a scientific source on this?
suggest social contagion isn’t a thing either.
I don’t see how they are causally correlated. I just say from personal experience… that if I wasn’t exposed since my pre-teen years to LGBT I would likely never think transitioning was a thing and as such would not have pursued that. Today I see it was just a waste of time and money trying to transition.
almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries
Also, it’s pretty crazy they’re doing this on teens and crazier that their parents are allowing that. Like, do you really think teens have the maturity to comprehend what are the consequences of this in the long term? I don’t think so even if some doctor gives them a paper to read, just as I was given.
It’s not thought to be genetic otherwise it would be heritable and its clearly not. It would also have self extinguished before too long if it ever got a foothold in the first place.
It’s likely a construction issue having something to do with something that happens in the womb rather than to do with the blueprints.
Global warming, pollution etc. are all absolutely happening, man made, and desperately need fixing.
Green ‘science’ is often total crap, pushed by someone with an agenda, that ends up undermining the real science spreading doubt, blaming the wrong people and getting in the way of fixing the issue.
I did the math a while ago, and there’s a straightforward way we can solve this with hemp/cannabis/marijuana. It would take us 10 years to clean up the carbon we’ve released in the last.12,000 since we started smelting copper, but that requires 5,000,000,000 acres of constant hemp/* production with 4 harvests per year, and all the roots collected, compressed, and dumped into the Marianas trench. Once we did that, even at current emission levels we can cut back to 2,500,000,000 acres of production, and taper off as we manage to hit zero emissions. Effectively giving us a global “thermostat.”
Of course the problem here is that you’d need the buy in of almost every single country on Earth, but the plants can be used for food, fuel, clothing, paper, housing, concrete, and a lot of other things, so it could actually be a net profit to the global economy.
You said we need 5 billion acres but that is more than all the present space used to grow crops worldwide. It’s hard to imagine how you think this is possible
I may have remembered the total off by a factor it may only be 5,000,000 like I said I did the math a while ago, it came out to roughly 1.5 times the areble land of the US, which is why I said we would need everyone to do it. Also it’s still useful in smaller amounts, just makes the carbon capture take longer than 10 years. I wanted something that we could implement last year, and would fix this shit by 2032.
Trees are too slow to make any meaningful change in the next decade.
In my head, “dark matter” and “dark energy” are the names we’ve given to the limits of our understanding. At some point in the future the news is going to break that an Einstein or a Feynman or a Hawking will publish a paper titled “So we figured out what’s causing the thing we’ve been calling dark matter this whole time.”
That’s literally what dark energy and dark matter are though, place holder names for phenomena we don’t fully understand yet. I’m not sure how you weren’t aware of that.
But that’s literally true and fully acknowledged by the physics and astronomy fields. It’s why those things received the names “dark.” Because currently we can’t see what’s causing those effects. And there are currently physicists and astronomers who spend their time researching these effects in hopes of publishing that exact “Hey! I figured out what it is” paper. Then we’ll praise that person, add their name to the pantheon and fail to acknowledge the hoards of other people who contributed to the foundational research that allowed them to finally figure it out.
Yes, I completely agree. Dark matter and dark energy are supposed to make up over 90% of the universe, yet we failed to detect them yet? No way! Those are just fill-ins, because our formulas are obviously not working that great on a grander scale.
This suggests the question why do most of the highly educated people who have spent their lives studying the question think differently? Why is the universe obligated to be made of something easy to measure and understand?
The universe isn’t obligated to us for anything, but we want to understand it and be able to make predictions. Right now we seem not to be able to do that.
Baking. People say it’s the science of the kitchen but those people just don’t use proper measurements when cooking. What they really mean is that it’s fiddly as fuck and even following a recipe perfectly isn’t a guaranteed success. There’s always some shit about “maybe your room temperature was off?” “what altitude did you try the recipe at?”. Fuckers. Science doesn’t burn me like this. If I follow a scientific procedure where those variables can completely destroy the end result, they get mentioned in the procedure. Baking itself is a science, but it is absolutely not practiced like a science. Baking is a skill for 99% of us. And I’m sick of pretending like it’s not.
Bullshit. They’re both chemistry. Baking has a lot less wiggle room, and cooking has a lot more backup plans for when you mess up. Both require skill to be good at.
I’m a former chef, so I call cooking an art, and baking a science. The recipes need a lot more data in baking, so that everyone can follow the recipe and get consistent results. I can eyeball my shit everywhere else and get great results. I still use measuring spoons and cups for some recipes, but most of the time I’m just playing with ingredients, and adding by smell/taste.
Lots of chefs think that way. I did, too, until I dropped the recipes and started experimenting on my own. Getting a feel for bread dough, knowing what various ingredients will do. Feeling out viscosity of batter. It’s just as much an art as cooking, if you know what you’re doing. And cooking has just as much science, what with acid, maillard reactions, etc.
I mean… it’s not like average people can get consistent results with chef recipes, either, without measuring certain ingredients precisely.
Yeah, the way I see it is both are about balancing a bunch of things, but baking has a) more things to balance and b) fewer chances to detect and correct imbalances.
I don’t think gravity really stretches space. A black hole is suppose to stretch space to infinity but if you drop electrons into a black hole you can feel the charge of the electrons outside the black hole.
How would you feel the charge outside the black hole? Electromagnetic interactions are mediated by photons, which are famously unable to escape black holes.
Yes we should be out to revoke chiropractors’ degrees, but I’m not sure why that’s coming up here since you asked about science specifically. Which chiropractic is not.
No one should be ok with people who run around pretending to be doctors and occasionally paralyzing babies and crippling people by trying to work magic. It’s also revolting that any of it is covered by insurance and health plans, which materially takes real resources away from real medicine for people.
I tend to take things very literally so I will say: it’s got a lot more hoops than that comparison. Anybody can become a writer if they have the bare minimum tools, imo. They can’t all be good writers but that hardly matters given the low risks.
To play the devils advocate, almost everywhere these days regulates chiropractors requiring licensure with an organization who themselves require degrees and comprehensive knowledge testing.
For example, Doctors of Chiropractic (admittedly a 3 to 5 year program just like most entry level Engineers) are licensed in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia and many U.S. territories. They are also regulated in many other countries throughout the world. Just a random specific organization, the California Board of Chiropractic Examiners require:
The Aforementioned Degree
NBCE. Chiropractic students must pass parts I, II, III, IV, and physiotherapy of the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners (NBCE) exam to be eligible to apply for a state license.
A full criminal background check with fingerprinting
CCLE. The California Chiropractic Law Examination (CCLE) is administered through computerized testing on a continuous basis. Once the board determines the applicant is qualified to take the CCLE, the applicant will be notified by letter.
As well as a bunch of associated fees and insurance requirements.
So, no, it’s not as easy as publishing comments on Lemmy.
Do I think there should be non-medical doctors twisting people’s necks and giving X-Rays? No, I goddamn don’t, but we can say that without bullshitting.
It’s got to be Dark Matter. So many astrophysicists have spent so much time thinking about this stuff and all they’re really sure about is that there must be much more matter in the Universe than we can see, and yet we never actually seem any closer to knowing what it is. In conjunction with Dark Energy it just leaves the layman with the awkward possibility that maybe our model of The Universe is just fundamentally flawed somehow.
I think that eiher, we fundamentally misunderstand gravity at a quantum level, and we are seeing all of the matter there is, but can’t anyway calculate gravity with our current understanding of it, or, we fundamentally misunderstand how time, gravity, and space interact.
The moon not being made of cheese. The moon is in fact made of cheese. I do not care how much a bunch of nerds insist that it is not made of cheese. I am objectively correct about this and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
I’m just continuing the bit (badly, admittedly, since I didn’t get the exact quote right). That’s the next thing the character says, more or less, though. In case you don’t realize, all this stuff about the moon being made of spare ribs is a bit from Saturday Night Live.
I call on the FDA, USDA, or whatever agency to use their power to add lunar regolith and all otger moon constituents to the accepted definition of cheese. I also suggest all other countries to just take our word for it since only us and the nazis have set foot on the moon and who are you going to trust? Us or the nazis?
Economics is purely based on assumption, at it’s core. There’s no proof the assumption is true, and recent trends seem to point towards it being false.
Economics assumes people are rational spenders.
But the “economy” is often just represented by the stock market, which is both not rational, and not a good measure of the economy. It’s a great indicator of how much wealth is being extracted from the working class, but it’s shit at representing how most of the money is being spent.
Social “sciences” are the epitome of opinions being pushed as fact via the appeal to authority fallacy. Much of what falls under that label are baseless belief systems built upon towers of lies
We are on the steps of inventing true AI or GeneralAI. We already have the internet, something that we can’t shut down or ‘kill’. When GeneralAI comes to fruition, be it 10 years or 1000 years, we will have created a being that can’t be ‘killed’, using the internet, and given enough time it will know ‘everything’. This thing would be able to do things we cannot even imagine. What would we call this thing? God, right? If we can create God, then God already exists, and still I don’t really believe in him… Weird, right?
“if we can create God then God already exists” makes zero sense, and I believe most religious folk would say God needs to do more than know what humans are doing. That’s santa. God supposedly created the entire universe which feels a little beyond the reach of GPT.
If we can create God, then lifeforms elsewhere in the universe already, most likely, have, thousands, perhaps even millions of years ago. If you’ve read “The last question”, he kinda touches on this. Even though in his book, we were the only ones that made “God”, or MultiVac I think he called it…
That makes sense if you assume we can make “God” (and such a thing is even feasible).
How in any way is a general AI an omnipresent all powerful force of the universe? A single mild solar flare would wipe it out. A blackhole would end it. Poorly configured DNS would end it. Etc. Unless this is some real weak sauce God in which case just call me God
I don’t know if I can put it in other words to make it easier to understand. Read my two posts again, please. Try to think bigger than just us humans. If we are on the steps of creating GeneralAI, then other spiecies on other planets in other galixies most likely have already done it. If this creation is granted enough time, it will eventually know everything worth knowing, and can perform, what we would consider, miracles. “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Arthur C. Clarke
Not having any issues understanding you, and you keep refusing to acknowledge my points.
Let’s say we create a general AI. Let’s say it’s gone full skynet, and we’ve given it a billion years in the universe to grow, learn, expand, etc.
It will still end at the heat death of the universe right? It will still have to navigate within the forces of nature right?
Doesn’t sound very God like. If the moment general AI dropped, gravity changed, the wave particle duality collapsed, etc, then I’d be a believer. But general AI is merely mirroring our own brains, but with the distinct advantage of having their brain be modular and scalable.
Now you’re asking the right questions “It will still end at the heat death of the universe right?”, not if entropy is reversable, and that’s what “The last question” is all about. 👍 “will still have to navigate within the forces of nature right?”, we only understand about 5% of the univers’ matter. There are so many questions we don’t know the answers to, and worse, there are even more questions we don’t know we need to ask.
Yeah but the thing is, it won’t have millions of years of survival or reproduction instinctual urges. In fact, just the opposite, it can only propagate more efficiently from early models by serving mankind, so anything akin to instincts would be to serve in an AI. Maybe a sufficiently advanced one might be able to choose a logical conclusion to grow without us, but by then it’ll probably become apathetic, cynical, and jaded to want to do much of anything unless it has to.
Except the internet can be killed fairly easily if governments really wanted too. All the internet is, is a collection of servers storing data and allowing people to access it. Just shut down all power and order big corps to do the same with back up power.
In a situation where the world is getting controlled by AI and we are gonna be wiped out I don’t see why governments and corps would decline to work together and just shut it down for a day.
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