RememberTheApollo_, (edited )

We should just go ahead and pronounce all acronyms the way their unabbreviated forms’ first syllable letters are said. Just ignore we treat individual letters differently than the words they came from.

The CIA should sound like “see ya” Department of Transportation “Duht” Internal Revenue Service “ears”

Etc.

asyncrosaurus,

CIA is an initialism, not an acronym, since you pronounce each letter individually.

What you sir are suggesting is a complete erasure of initialisms, and I will not stand for it.

RememberTheApollo_,

It wasn’t a real suggestion. A bit of hyperbole and exaggeration due to the pointless debate over jig/gif. We have a long precedent of pronouncing acronyms as initialisms and not enunciating the letters as they were pronounced in their original word. While I think the original argument over jif/gif was for fun, some can’t let it go.

Drummyralf, (edited )

So you’re saying gif

RememberTheApollo_,

Lol, absolutely.

duck1e,

National Informatics Goods Governance & Esteemed Residence Society …

RememberTheApollo_,

No.

overcast5348,

Dept of Transportation would be “dot”, no?

RememberTheApollo_,

People tend to pronounce “of” more like “uhv” in shove or glove, not like stove or clove. So I went with “duht” for pronunciation.

Peppycito,

I would suggest the tax guys be pronounced ire’s. The raise my ire anyway.

ElBarto,
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

The J is pronounced like the J in Jesus (Spanish pronunciation)

Metatronz,

👋 feg

feedum_sneedson,

no need to be homophobic

Metatronz,

Did not intend. Apologies

MilitantAtheist,

Helen wears socks and sandals, and has divergent opinions. Helen needs to disappear in a landfill. Dispatching a team.

1847953620,

John Wick’s nonprofit

ki77erb,

I’m definitely not taking any lessons from someone who wears socks with sandals no matter their credentials.

Karyoplasma,

As a German, I feel personally attacked by this.

RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social avatar

I love how much absolute war is going on in this thread 🤣

BudgetBandit,

Next you’re telling me that LMFAO is called “ellem eff ayo” and not "le mfaao“

ShadyGrove,

Blasphemy. Everyone knows it’s “ellem fay-oh”

bingbong,

Lum phao 👿

feedum_sneedson,

I love Thai food

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I just want to point out that Lin-Manuel Miranda has been advocating for peace between the hard and soft G clans for more than a decade.

TheImpressiveX,
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

Why don’t you just pronounce it “gee-eye-eff”?

Sombyr,
@Sombyr@lemmy.one avatar

That’s what I do. If somebody’s gonna be pissed no matter how you pronounce it, might as well piss them all off equally.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

I’m just going to say “graphic interchange format” from now on.

assassin_aragorn,

Funny enough, that has both a hard g and a soft g in it.

feedum_sneedson,

JEEF

hakunawazo,

Is gee-eye-eff the GI:Joe from AliExpress?

Viking_Hippie,

Because that way madness lies.

cbarrick,

Yes!

I’ve always been in the “jif” camp.

Now I have a new counter!

ryven,
@ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What do you fall back to when they just agree that “jay-pheg” is the only reasonable pronunciation?

cbarrick,

Dunno. Haven’t had the chance to try the argument.

But like, I’ve literally never heard someone say “jay-pheg”.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

Gif is pronounced like gist, giraffe, gibberish, ginger, and gin

Jxl is pronunciation beeg jay-peg because Jay is lucky

shea,

Take the word “gift”. Say the word, but stop before you get to the last letter. What letters did you say? What sound came out of your mouth? Case closed.

ILikeBoobies,

Take the word “applet”. Say the word, but stop before you get to the last letter. What letters did you say? What sound came out of your mouth? Case closed.

shea,

That’s still pretty close.

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

I don’t know how you say those words then

For me it would be App-Le vs Ap-pull

mannycalavera,
@mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

Well shit… I’ve been living a lie.

TropicalDingdong,

Lie

lphie

BluJay320,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“Lee-ay”

TropicalDingdong,

“Lye-ee”

Franzia,

ITT: lots of people who are wrong.

kamen,

Isn’t this the usual to begin with?

doctorcrimson,

Not how acronyms work but I like your fire.

cameron_vale,

Any position is coherent when you have anonymity and free time. That goes double for moderators.

RizzRustbolt,

And PNG crew still reigns supreme!

surewhynotlem,

Pronounced “pong”

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

“Pung” you plebeian.

letsgocrazy,

Pung.

ZoopZeZoop,

Not “Peeng”?

danjr,

Pee Enn Gee or Pee Enn Jee?

QwertySpace,
@QwertySpace@lemmy.world avatar

God dammit

FreeFacts, (edited )

It’s interesting debate to observe from my perspective as my native tongue has no different pronunciations for letters, they are always the same regardless of their placement in words. G is always pronounced the same, and so is P. (Spoiler: it’s hard G and hard P).

This brought another thing in my mind about soft G. Let’s take for example Gin, which is with soft G I believe (it’s hard G here because there is only hard G). Then there is the acronym GT for Gin & Tonic. The question is, in English language countries, is the acronym pronounced jay-T instead of gee-T?

lseif,

ive only heard G&T pronounced jee & tee

Cornelius_Wangenheim, (edited )

It’s basically the same with English always using a hard G for native English words. The complication comes from the fact that English preserves the pronunciation and spelling of loan words and loan words make up something like half of all words in English. The vast majority of words in English that use a soft G are French or Latin loan words, with a few Greek words that had their pronunciation latinized.

merc,

English preserves the pronunciation and spelling of loan words

English doesn’t preserve the pronunciation. It approximates the pronunciation while keeping the spelling, and that pronunciation drifts over time and changes in different places. See: Lieutenant, a word that has two wildly different pronunciations in English, neither of which sound anything like the original French word.

ShortFuse, (edited )

All English is based on etymology which is why it’s such a hard language to learn. Looking at how a word is spelled always takes second place to where it comes from.

GIF was pronounced with soft g since it came out, back in the 80s/90s when it was shared on AOL and CompuServe. Year, decades, later it came back into social media with Reddit and Twitter, and people pronounced it based on what it looked like it would sound like, which is most similar to hard g like gift.

That doesn’t mean GIF never had a soft g. It just shows how old you are or when you discovered it when you use the hard g.

merc,

Looking at how a word is spelled always takes second place to where it comes from.

Where it comes from matters less than historic pronunciations.

“Lawn-jer-ay” is how most of the English word pronounces “lingerie” even though that’s nothing like how it’s pronounced in French, nor is it anything like what you’d pronounce if you sounded out those letters assuming it was an English word.

“Lieutenant” is pronounced completely differently in the UK vs the US. It’s etymology is also French, but neither English pronunciation is at all close to the French. Somehow the British get an “f” sound in there, which can’t be explained by spelling or etymology, and somehow the American pronunciation turns “ieu” into an “oo” sound.

As for “gif”, the “aol and compuserve” thing shows the problem: text based forums. The first time people encountered the word was by reading it. As an unfamiliar word, they mostly went with the common English rule of finding similar words. In this case, the only other words with “gif” are “gift” and words based on “gift”. Since that has a hard G, from the very start people have been using the hard “G” sound.

EssentialCoffee,

GIF was pronounced with soft g since it came out, back in the 80s/90s when it was shared on AOL and CompuServe.

FWIW, in the 80s & 90s, everyone I knew pronounced it with a hard G, including folks at computer shows, which my family used to go to frequently.

To me, the soft g ‘jif’ pronunciation is the new Internet fad, not the other way around.

ShortFuse, (edited )

www.olsenhome.com/gif/compuserve-big.jpg

Since it was announced in 1987, if they mentioned the pronunciation it was soft G. The inventor and CompuServe would tell you it was soft G. CompuServe’s applications would tell you if soft G in their docs.

It’s even in the documentation of PNG which came out 7 years later that says soft G is correct in GIF, and they wanted people to pronounce PNG as “ping”, not “pinj”. (Yes, really)

See www.olsenhome.com/gif/ for more examples.

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