RealM, Time to dig out the sonic shitposts.
Crul, Source: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Jpeg
Hover text: Pronounced tzchphezche.
RSS Feed: www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rss
brsrklf, Also laser is pronounced “lamb - ser”, hard S of course.
merc, Lah-seer. You can’t forget that the “e” comes from “emission”, not say “entropy” or something.
Sanyanov, No, it’s Leia-ser
CurlyMoustache, I tend not to use acronyms
FreeFacts, (edited ) It’s interesting debate to observe from my perspective as my native tongue has no different pronunciations for letters, they are always the same regardless of their placement in words. G is always pronounced the same, and so is P. (Spoiler: it’s hard G and hard P).
This brought another thing in my mind about soft G. Let’s take for example Gin, which is with soft G I believe (it’s hard G here because there is only hard G). Then there is the acronym GT for Gin & Tonic. The question is, in English language countries, is the acronym pronounced jay-T instead of gee-T?
lseif, ive only heard G&T pronounced jee & tee
Cornelius_Wangenheim, (edited ) It’s basically the same with English always using a hard G for native English words. The complication comes from the fact that English preserves the pronunciation and spelling of loan words and loan words make up something like half of all words in English. The vast majority of words in English that use a soft G are French or Latin loan words, with a few Greek words that had their pronunciation latinized.
merc, English preserves the pronunciation and spelling of loan words
English doesn’t preserve the pronunciation. It approximates the pronunciation while keeping the spelling, and that pronunciation drifts over time and changes in different places. See: Lieutenant, a word that has two wildly different pronunciations in English, neither of which sound anything like the original French word.
ShortFuse, (edited ) All English is based on etymology which is why it’s such a hard language to learn. Looking at how a word is spelled always takes second place to where it comes from.
GIF was pronounced with soft g since it came out, back in the 80s/90s when it was shared on AOL and CompuServe. Year, decades, later it came back into social media with Reddit and Twitter, and people pronounced it based on what it looked like it would sound like, which is most similar to hard g like gift.
That doesn’t mean GIF never had a soft g. It just shows how old you are or when you discovered it when you use the hard g.
merc, Looking at how a word is spelled always takes second place to where it comes from.
Where it comes from matters less than historic pronunciations.
“Lawn-jer-ay” is how most of the English word pronounces “lingerie” even though that’s nothing like how it’s pronounced in French, nor is it anything like what you’d pronounce if you sounded out those letters assuming it was an English word.
“Lieutenant” is pronounced completely differently in the UK vs the US. It’s etymology is also French, but neither English pronunciation is at all close to the French. Somehow the British get an “f” sound in there, which can’t be explained by spelling or etymology, and somehow the American pronunciation turns “ieu” into an “oo” sound.
As for “gif”, the “aol and compuserve” thing shows the problem: text based forums. The first time people encountered the word was by reading it. As an unfamiliar word, they mostly went with the common English rule of finding similar words. In this case, the only other words with “gif” are “gift” and words based on “gift”. Since that has a hard G, from the very start people have been using the hard “G” sound.
EssentialCoffee, GIF was pronounced with soft g since it came out, back in the 80s/90s when it was shared on AOL and CompuServe.
FWIW, in the 80s & 90s, everyone I knew pronounced it with a hard G, including folks at computer shows, which my family used to go to frequently.
To me, the soft g ‘jif’ pronunciation is the new Internet fad, not the other way around.
ShortFuse, (edited ) www.olsenhome.com/gif/compuserve-big.jpg
Since it was announced in 1987, if they mentioned the pronunciation it was soft G. The inventor and CompuServe would tell you it was soft G. CompuServe’s applications would tell you if soft G in their docs.
It’s even in the documentation of PNG which came out 7 years later that says soft G is correct in GIF, and they wanted people to pronounce PNG as “ping”, not “pinj”. (Yes, really)
See www.olsenhome.com/gif/ for more examples.
LemmyIsFantastic, I’ve been saying this 10 years now. Doesn’t matter.
HelloHotel, (edited ) no, no no NO!! its listen here you little, ITS spelled AND pronounced GIJIF, PING and JAEPAG! DONT YOU DARE INSULT THE SACRED WORDS LIKE THAT /s
AeonFelis, This is getting ridiculous. Let’s just stop using these formats, so that we won’t have to fight over the names. Let’s all just use the PHNJ format.
vettnerk, Or the superior .bmp
Hey, it’s lossless!
pinkdrunkenelephants, 🤔 Do people still use bitmaps?
AeonFelis, You mean BMPH?
HelloHotel, (edited ) oh, ‘bump’ formatted images, very old choice.
RiikkaTheIcePrincess, I love how much absolute war is going on in this thread 🤣
BudgetBandit, Next you’re telling me that LMFAO is called “ellem eff ayo” and not "le mfaao“
ShadyGrove, Blasphemy. Everyone knows it’s “ellem fay-oh”
bingbong, Lum phao 👿
feedum_sneedson, I love Thai food
MeanEYE, Why would you take two letters from the word? Following that logic we could call GRINFO since it’s Graphics Interchange Format.
Colalextrast, There is a small yet significant part of my brain that really likes GRINFO. I just thought you should know that.
nxdefiant, I’m wholly convinced. It’s either Yiff or GRINFO, depending on company.
Surp, Say gift. Now what you’re going to do next is leave out the T but enunciate the gif part the same way. Fuck you jif people!
tigeruppercut, I’ll tell the agile fragile fugitive gin-drinking giraffes eating ginger ginseng to imagine gingerly using their digits to engineer a geological survey of the gist of your comment. They ate too much gingerbread and now have gingivitis, so the margins of those attracted to religion aren’t as rigid as the original origins of those of that region and we have to remain vigilant lest magic supersede logic, which of course would be terrible for legislation of the legions.
Wav_function, That was beautiful
MisterD, That’s how you do it, boys and jirls
towerful, Great.
However none of those have the g-i-f sequence and have the j sound.
They do have g-i-t sequences. So it suggests that the f makes the g pronounced like a g not a j.
Intact, you could use examples like “digit” to argue the versioning software should be pronounced jit.
misophist, But git is literally a word (and it’s pronounced with a hard G).
towerful, initialcommit.com/blog/How-Did-Git-Get-Its-Name
Yeh, it’s obviously a nonsense argument.
Linus even suggested 2 backronyms for it, none of which have the j sound.
And there is precedence for git being pronounced git not jit.
tigeruppercut, However none of those have the g-i-f sequence and have the j sound.
So the criteria for pronunciation is other words that have the exact same letters? What does that mean for the pronunciation of “women”?
towerful, Women Vs world? Women Vs Woo? Women Vs work? Women Vs wonder?
Cause the “wom” sequence would be…
Women Vs Womb?
Women Vs Wombat?The arguement is obviously nonsense.
It’s going into syntax of words to get pronunciation, instead the acronym/name.
Which is funny, because that’s exactly what’s happening in the gif/jif argument.
samus12345, Not sure what you’re trying to say, but not a single one of those words pronounce the “wo” like it is in “women.”
towerful, Womb and women are pronounced the same (well, except the ending).
Unless it’s a local dialect thing where “women” is pronounced “wimin”?
samus12345, Nobody I’ve ever heard pronounces it “woo-min”, only “wimmin.” Definitely not a local dialect.
towerful, Well, if you heard me, I pronounce “women” like “womb”.
Maybe I have the local dialect.
tigeruppercut, Are you from PNW? I think I remember a video from reddit where someone said woo-min and a commenter said they’re from there and say it like that.
assassin_aragorn, It seems to be closest to the i in fish – hence the fun alternate spelling of photi
samus12345, Ghoti is better (using the “gh” in “enough”), and yep.
ShortFuse, Say gigantic. Now what you’re going to do next is stop with your ANTICs and enunciate the gig the same way.
uncreativechap, Ironic since gig is already a word and everyone agrees it’s pronounced the other way.
assassin_aragorn, The whole thing is funny when you look at the full phrase too. Graphical Interchange Format – it’s got both a hard g and a soft g. You could call a gif an image. You could also call it a graphic.
At the end of the day, there really isn’t an answer, and there never will be. It’s a fun debate to fuck around with though
Rodeo, There is a G sound and there is a J sound.
There is no need to invent a distinction between “hard” and “soft” G. A “soft G” is just a J.
assassin_aragorn, G can make a hard G sound or a soft G sound, the soft G is identical to J.
It’s still a soft G sound though, because the letter is G.
Rodeo, No, it’s just a G that is making a J sound.
Kyrinar, I’m firmly in the hard-g crew, but I respect what you did here
irish_link, Gin like Gin and Tonic. Use Gin instead next time. Don’t get me wrong I will forever call it gif(t) however to help you with your position using a 3 letter word may help.
You may be explaining how superficial the Gift argument is by making it a much longer thing to take off but figured if you ever use it in a real way or argument you may want this one in your back pocket as well.
ICastFist, So you pronounce it “Jay fag”. Ok, sounds reasonable
ElBarto, The J is pronounced like the J in Jesus (Spanish pronunciation)
Metatronz, 👋 feg
feedum_sneedson, no need to be homophobic
Metatronz, Did not intend. Apologies
klemptor, Helen is wearing socks with sandals. Helen don’t give a single phuck.
trbleclef, It’s spelled “puck”
CurlyMoustache, Why use C and K in socks when they are pronounced the same?
New spelling: Sokks
klemptor, Nah, gotta go with soks - can’t have that redundant k in there!
Klear, Yup. Don’t want to risk a third K getting in there…
Che_Donkey, Socc is the correct spelling now, because its “soccer” not Sokker (or Soker).
This is a hill I am willing to die on.
Mamertine, Language evolves over time to become shortened for convenience.
Therefore sox is now the correct spelling. You all are using archaic spelling variations. Sox is always plural. I’m sure this will cause no confusion.
On a less anarchist note, spelling wasn’t standardized until the early 1900s.
So up until then, sox, soccs, socs, sokks, soks, and socks were all valid ways to refer to foot panties.
klemptor, Foot panties!! This is now canon, someone call Merriam-Webster!
CurlyMoustache, Foot condom
Empricorn, (edited ) It’s obviously “sox”.
hglman, Booo booo
awesome357, Sahks
awesome357, Of for those from Boston: Sahks
RememberTheApollo_, (edited ) We should just go ahead and pronounce all acronyms the way their unabbreviated forms’ first syllable letters are said. Just ignore we treat individual letters differently than the words they came from.
The CIA should sound like “see ya” Department of Transportation “Duht” Internal Revenue Service “ears”
Etc.
asyncrosaurus, CIA is an initialism, not an acronym, since you pronounce each letter individually.
What you sir are suggesting is a complete erasure of initialisms, and I will not stand for it.
RememberTheApollo_, It wasn’t a real suggestion. A bit of hyperbole and exaggeration due to the pointless debate over jig/gif. We have a long precedent of pronouncing acronyms as initialisms and not enunciating the letters as they were pronounced in their original word. While I think the original argument over jif/gif was for fun, some can’t let it go.
Drummyralf, (edited ) So you’re saying gif
RememberTheApollo_, Lol, absolutely.
duck1e, National Informatics Goods Governance & Esteemed Residence Society …
RememberTheApollo_, No.
overcast5348, Dept of Transportation would be “dot”, no?
RememberTheApollo_, People tend to pronounce “of” more like “uhv” in shove or glove, not like stove or clove. So I went with “duht” for pronunciation.
Peppycito, I would suggest the tax guys be pronounced ire’s. The raise my ire anyway.
Kichae, (edited ) GIF is pronounced GIF not because the G stands for Graphical, but because it is its essence. It is what is calls out to be… Called.
And because it’s not peanut butter.
And for the same reason, JPEG is pronounced JFEG not because the P stands for Photographic, but because that is the expression of its true essence.
I just didn’t know it before today.
Justice for JΦEG!
Wilzax, Also, “gi” in english makes the hard g sound very often, like in gift, or give, or giddy. You need to do some real mental gymnastics to justify it as a j sound
weksa, (edited ) Giraffe, ginger, ginseng, gist
rigatti, The giant ginger biologist originally apologized for being allergic to ginseng.
HiddenLychee, I wear a gi in martial arts
PaintedSnail, I’m going to call it “geef” from now on!
twosixonetwo, Not sure if the use of the word “gymnastics” is intentional here
Wilzax, I’m not taking about gy or ge, I’m talking about gi
PRUSSIA_x86, What about gin?
Klear, Sure, I’ll have some.
force, (edited ) giant, gigantic, ginger, gist, gin, giraffe, gibberish, gingivitis, giblet, giro, giron, gingal, gipsy / gitano, gingili, gigot, girasole, giaour, …
logic, tragic, agile, agism/aging, legit, sigil, magi, magic, argil, algid, aegis, vagile, algin, digit, legible, legislature, surgical, intellegible, …
looks like a lot of palatal affricates to me dawg idk, i think you’re the one doing mental gymnastics trying to justify it not being pronounced the way the creator specified. “gif” the way you ask for just sounds weird
shea, Say the word “gift”. Don’t pronounce the t. Wow. That simple.
Toine, Say the word “giraffe”. Don’t pronounce the ra. Wow. That simple.
Synthead, You can tell it’s a soft G from the way it is! How neat is that?
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