teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Ctrl-shift-esc will open the task manager directly. None of that Carl alt del nonsense.

buycurious,

Ctrl-alt-del is meant to be a hard interrupt to the system.

Ctrl-shift-esc treats it like another task.

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting so that’s why system performance gets wonky when task Manager is opened with CTRL+alt+Del

I’ll keep that in mind when I wanna kill tasks but not disrupt performance

chuckleslord, (edited )

That’s so dumb, but okay.

Edit: dumb that using the shortcut to open the task manager doesn’t interrupt the system. That’s what ctrl-alt-del did before windows 8 or whenever, open the task manager regardless of what was happening. Now I have to use that annoying lock-screen menu to open the task manager to kill processes if things are locked up. Didn’t know that, horribly unintuitive

force, (edited )

how is it dumb? literally just press ctrl shift esc

chuckleslord, (edited )

If your computer is locked up, you have to use ctrl-alt-del, with its menu of options including the task manager, in order to interrupt the current processes locking up the system.

Using ctrl-shift-esc launches the task manager program without a system interrupt, meaning it won’t unlock the computer. Which is dumb, because why else would I be opening the task manager other than to interrupt some out-of-control process? I guess you could be using it to monitor or something else, but that’s what I’m used to opening the task manager to be doing. I didn’t even realize this until this comment.

wandermind,

Yeah, I use task manager way more often for monitoring than I use it for stopping processes.

IronKrill,

I check ram and cpu usage and change startup apps or task priority just as much as I need to force quit.

force, (edited )

then just press ctrl alt del if you want a system interrupt??? there’s a reason they have bindings for both. it’s not much harder, the task manager doesn’t exist solely for killing some program that won’t respond.

jaybone,

I assume this terminology originally referred to an actual interrupt handled by a kernel interrupt handler, and half of the people in this thread have no idea what that means.

GBU_28,
otter,

Lol every time

I know it’s just psychology (and any resource reallocation that happens when task manager opens) but it’s still funny

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I have totally caught malware checking to see if task manager is running, and cooling it until it is closed. Some cryptocurrency mining trojans do this. You can verify it by using a tool other than task manager, e.g. System Explorer or Process Hacker. Usually they’re not smart enough to poll for third party tools, so they’ll quiet down when only task manager is opened and not when you’re using any third party tools.

caseyweederman,

kill $PID

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

nerd ;)

caseyweederman,

<3

match, (edited )
@match@pawb.social avatar

xkill + m1 feels so fucking good

Anticorp,

Death to $PID!

iAvicenna,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

I guess you can alias that to kill

gnutrino,
Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t even get why force shutting a program isn’t the fucking default.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Because you run the risk of corrupting files.

Slovene, (edited )

And then they’ll start doing drugs, gambling, taking bribes …

thisbenzingring,

And prostitutes. And shiny metal asses.

Slovene, (edited )

In fact, forget the closing of programs.

cmnybo,

kill -9

hakunawazo,

There are so many possibilities to kill frozen programs in linux.
fosslinux.com/…/5-things-to-do-when-your-linux-sy…

barsoap,

The one thing they’re missing, which honestly shouldn’t happen on at least desktop distros, is the system becoming unresponsive under memory pressure because before the kernel decides to kill off anything it rather swaps its own data structures out to disk, grinding everything to such a crawl that it’s indistinguishable from a complete freeze.

The solution is early OOM, which is more aggressive at killing things off and it honestly should be installed and activated by default.

bargh,

and of course psDooM

Honytawk,

Why do you think the bottom one doesn’t happen in Windows?

Do you not know the details tab in taskmanager can force close processes that are frozen?

Has the person who wrote that comic not used Windows in like a decade?

bulwark, (edited )

Remember how Volkswagen got in trouble a few years back for faking emissions when the car detected it was being tested. It would interesting to see if something like that could exist with RAM and task manager.

eating3645,

Perfect question for Dave’s garage!

youtu.be/Ve95Nh690l0?si=6KHDtaiHBY8TbTwg

bulwark,

Lol I love this guy’s channel. I thought of him as soon as I asked that question.

applebusch,

It definitely can for the graphics card. I got a trojan one time that was mining crypto using 100% of the gpu causing it to heat up and blow the fan like crazy, and it stopped every time I opened the task manager.

Assman,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

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  • NielsBohron,
    @NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s actually a pretty good idea, although it’s not like a right-click on the desktop is really that much slower (assuming we’re taking about Windows)

    jaschen,

    Protip: Ctrl+Shift+Esc goes directly in without cluttering your toolbar.

    AceFuzzLord,

    Yeah, windows task manager doesn’t do shit if you are already low on resources. My desktop doesn’t have a lot of resources to be used up and there have been a few times task manager is just as bad as the programs I want it to kill due to lack of resources.

    marcos, (edited )

    It will very gladly show you all the resources are being consumed by some service you don’t need, can’t uninstall or disable, and will just consume more resources by restarting if you terminate the process.

    Honytawk,

    Funny, because you can uninstall or disable every service in Windows. But you would lose functionality, so most do not do that.

    You linuxians really only know Windows from the memes, don’t you?

    Tlaloc_Temporal,
    @Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

    Ah, yes, I’d love to disable core components of windows that are using 100% disk. I’d loose the pointer? Great! Explorer? Fantastic! The file indexer? I didn’t need files anyway!

    BigTrout75,

    In the command line you “Taskkill” a process too

    PoolloverNathan,

    Except for when it takes a few minutes for the command line to open and 30 seconds per character.

    BigDanishGuy,

    Had a beast of a desktop machine back in 2000, it could even decode DVD real-time. But sometimes DVD playback would hang. Pushing the power button 5s would switch off the machine, but 3-4s would get DVD playback working again.

    That’s how I learned that the road to success is to bully and intimidate… At least your hardware

    barsoap,

    Back in the 00s, when you told Windows to sort a big directory by modified date or so it would take ages, but be faster when you scrolled up and down. That’s still the case. Presumably that’s because explorer will launch more concurrent “get file metadata” tasks. Overall it’s still slow, though.

    It’s actually not NTFS’s fault, but explorer: Nushell gets file metadata in at most 1/100th of the time (the sorting itself is negligible), Linux is still faster at handling NTFS than windows even then, though, nushell on windows is merely fast enough to not be annoying.

    jinarched,
    @jinarched@lemm.ee avatar

    Ctrl-Shift-esc

    You’re welcome.

    Just_Pizza_Crust, (edited )

    As the fifth person to say that, I think the author may have baited you into writing this. It’s sinilar to when someone misspells a word in the title of a TikTok video, as tons of well meaning people will comment on the error, thus generating attention.

    dual_sport_dork,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    I see what you did, there.

    swag_money,

    kinda like what we’re doing right now?

    shalafi,

    Faster to open, doesn’t send a system interrupt.

    If all is well: CTRL+SHIFT+ESC

    Stuck program needs a kick in the ass: CTRL+ALT+DELETE

    problematicPanther,
    @problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

    what i really want, what i really need, is just a windows equivalent to xkill. window not responding? ctrl+alt+esc, click. it’s dead along with its entire family.

    DragonOracleIX,

    SuperF4? It hasn’t been updated in years, but I haven’t had any issues with it.

    problematicPanther,
    @problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

    alt+f4 works, but not super+f4 on my machine. is it supposed to be a more forceful close than alt+f4?

    XTornado,

    It’s an app.

    blind3rdeye,

    Process explorer can do that. (The sysinternals tool.)

    a_wild_mimic_appears,

    For everyone who wants a better task manager, go to Microsofts Sysinternals Website and get Process Explorer. You’re welcome.

    naticus,

    Yeah, I hate how multi-process apps never really show their memory usage very well anymore in Task Manager. Been using Process Explorer since before Russinovich sold to Microsoft and it’s easily been the best one I’ve used on Windows to get a better picture of what is going wrong.

    shalva97,

    I have never opened task manager after I added second 16GB RAM stick. It just all works okay, I don’t even have to close programs.

    Grandwolf319,

    Try running some docker containers. I have to for work.

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    I see you don’t use Chrome

    shalva97, (edited )

    I use both Chrome and Firefox. I mean sometimes I need to use websites that doesn’t work in Firefox, so there is always Chrome in my taskbar :D

    thecookingsenpai,
    @thecookingsenpai@lemmy.world avatar

    I am still convince that soon or after they will discover an hidden function in Windows that overclock briefly every component when task manager is opened

    loudWaterEnjoyer,
    @loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’m running Linux but I thought CTRL, Shift and ESC is the shortcut for Task Manager

    swag_money,

    it is! but you can also launch it from the ctrl alt delete menu

    sag,

    You just thought?? I was damn sure

    shalafi,

    True, but CTRL+ALT+DEL sends a system interrupt in addition. Breaks a lot of deadlocks, hence why people think it’s magic.

    unrelatedkeg,

    Curious: is that some ancient convention that just stuck around, prescribed in some old standard, or a Wibdows-specific thing?

    ThunderclapSasquatch,

    It’s ancient iirc

    Tlaloc_Temporal,
    @Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m pretty sure CTRL+ALT+DEL used to be the task manager shortcut, but around 7 or 8 a menu was added with logout and shutdown options. I don’t know how long CTRL+SHIFT+ESC has been a thing, but it’s an effective replacement (and easier to press with one hand :] ).

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