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huskypenguin, in I remember getting a PS3 just to avoid this back then

Is the steam deck a console?

OtisRamflow,

No, it’s a handheld PC.

Cort, (edited )

To be fair, does that make a ps3 running Linux a desktop PC?

kick_out_the_jams, (edited )

All consoles are computers, in the sense that their chips are turing-complete
Nobody has really come up with a computer that can only run things you like and none of the things you don't.
They're just computers locked down by digital rights management, opaque operating systems, or other protection measures.

linuxdweeb,

“PC” historically refers to devices that are “IBM PC” compatible, although nowadays that mostly means machines with x86 chips… except that powerful ARM desktops, laptops, and servers are becoming a thing too so that’s not accurate either. Plus there’s that whole “Mac vs PC” ad which also makes the term more confusing.

But even going by the recent historical usage, I’d say the Steam Deck qualifies since it has an x86 chip, whereas the PS3 has a weird custom PowerPC cpu (which, ironically, was made by IBM).

Swedneck,
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really at this point PC just means it’s not locked down to a highly specific software source and lets you change the OS

OrnateLuna,

For the purposes of this conversation I would say yes

Then again I would count the steam deck more as a console than a PC in most scenarios

Kecessa, (edited )

I count it as a portable mini-PC because the games I’m playing on it are the same I own on PC, using the same account…

9point6,

Yes. It’s a mass manufactured consumer product with gaming as it’s intended purpose

That’s a console.

EatYouWell,

Consoles typically lock the player into their ecosystem, though. You don’t have to use steam to play games on the deck.

9point6,

They don’t have to though, that’s just what most consoles do.

aniki,

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  • 9point6,

    What’s the GP32?

    What’s the NGage?

    What’s the Ouya?

    aniki, (edited )

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    BolexForSoup, (edited )
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    very difficult to jailbreak

    Getting an Xbox into developer mode, booting retro arch, really whatever you want then doing literally whatever you want with it has never been easier. The 360 was far more difficult and continues to be difficult to hack and mod in meaningful ways. The series consoles you can crack open in like 30 minutes with an article and a YouTube video.

    520, (edited )

    Depends at what level you define 'console'.

    Is it a device purpose built for playing games? Yes.

    Does it have its own bespoke gaming platform? No. It plays games and applications made for the x86 PC platform.

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    does it have its own bespoke gaming platform?

    Sure steam doesn’t fit that definition exactly but I mean…it kind of serves the same purpose.

    gornius, (edited )

    Steamdeck is more console than x86 PC is a platform. I get what you mean, but PS4 and PS5 are too technically x86 PCs. Most modern games’ tightly coupled target are actually APIs they are using.

    It can be one click in a compiler to compile the game to ARM PC, but it’s a different story when you port your game engine to console, where you have to implement the same features using different APIs. (E.g. Raytracing, storing game data, connecting to profile, implementing multiplayer etc.).

    In the example of SteamDeck, the platform is Win32 or Linux ABI compatible OS.

    Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug, (edited )

    I guess that depends on your definition, but really I’d lump it into handheld computer, I’ve owned several, such as the GPD Win series

    You can install desktop Linux software on it with no need to perform any types of “jailbreak” so while steam os is a proprietary skin for Linux, its not really locked down the way traditional brick consoles are.

    Console doesn’t have a hard definition, so anyone could come through and make a case for why it is.

    Edit: you can see the people replying after me all have different definitions and standards for the word, it’s arbitrary really

    OtisRamflow,

    It runs desktop Linux natively, steam button, power, switch to desktop.

    Dudewitbow,

    So was a launch ps3 not a console because you could install linux as an “OtherOS” before sony revoked thr feature?

    Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

    Again, it’s a loose definition and it’s pointless and purposefully contrarian to argue about it.

    fsxylo, in Ubisoft started showing ads in games

    pukes into trashcan

    companero, in Ubisoft started showing ads in games
    @companero@hexbear.net avatar

    I bet these ads don’t show up in pirated copies. owl-wink

    scrubbles, in Ubisoft started showing ads in games
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    Oh that’s shady, I assumed it would be on the main menu or something but a full screen ad popping up before the menu? Barf Ubisoft. Low even for them

    irreticent, in No-Bullshit Games
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    This ad brought to you by No Bullshit Games™

    boringbisexual, in No-Bullshit Games

    Glad to see Underhand made the list. Wish there was a sequel.

    Auster, (edited ) in No-Bullshit Games

    (Translated copypasta from the Portuguese community, yeah, but since not many English speakers understand Portuguese, worth doing)

    Dunno the site, but one thing I do is to go to a site known as "AppSales" and to hide whatever titles I find with MTX with Ublock Origin filters. The process is a chore, but at least, each title needs to be hidden once and only once.

    And sure, this is considering that the person uses only Google Play. I, for one, prefer to seek games in stores like Humble Bundle (owned by IGN), Itchio, and so on.

    bstix, (edited ) in No-Bullshit Games

    Nice list.

    Personally I’ll always recommend Swordigo, which is also on the list. It’s old, but not only is it ad-free, free to download on Android, several hours of gameplay, but it’s also one of the best platformer that I have ever tried on any platform. Mainly because it’s perfectly balanced. No need to grind, but still difficult enough for some parts to require a little practice, without ever feeling needlessly difficult. IMO this game is what mobile gaming should have been.

    My only complaint is they didn’t make a proper sequel.

    slazer2au, in No-Bullshit Games

    Needs an option to filter out games that don’t work on modern android

    Knusper, in Naev – open-source game about space exploration, trade and combat

    Well, someone had to do it: lemmy.ml/post/8484375

    Deckweiss, in Naev – open-source game about space exploration, trade and combat

    Looks cool, but I am already in love with Starsector

    abbotsbury, in Naev – open-source game about space exploration, trade and combat
    @abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

    Been playing this since like 2013, found it on github before it was on steam, definitely recommend.

    roguetrick, in The Strolling Deceased

    They stole these assets from a second life porn shop.

    muse, in The Strolling Deceased
    @muse@kbin.social avatar

    Norman Reedus looks like he's holding a shit in, and the light on his face makes him look like he's got a double chin

    Pistcow, in The Strolling Deceased

    PS3?

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