For someone who only posts insulting others and correcting (incorrectly a bunch too….) their grammar, you sure lack any amount of reading comprehension.
Its always the loudest people who are the most guilty, I appreciate the lengths you go to prove this is still true.
I’ve tried just reporting them before. Doesn’t seem to do anything, so sorry for having to point it out. See this person all over Lemmy in lots of communities.
And just had an interaction yesterday, so had to see what was new with them. Again, my apologies for bringing this to your attention, wasn’t bringing an argument in.
In IT contracting (at least the fields I’m around) it’s quite common that “being able to acquire new skills quickly” is one of the skills you get paid for, and the time needed for you to do that is accounted for in the project planning.
I did do this for web dev for a government contract. I got brought on for mobile optimizations but ended up doing full UI/UX design and marketing copy with no experience. All through their shitty in house WYSIWYG. $60/hr for a full year lol.
As someone who worked in tech support and a sys admin role, yes, and thank you. I would say 90% of all issues and problems I had were either solved or pointed in the right direction since 2006, the year I started.
I’ll do you one better. I’ve learned that in the absence of online information for a bug or fault, that I’m most likely attempting something that is better solved another way. Like, nobody does it like the harebrained thing I just invented, so it’s just me and everyone else with a (different) working solution.
Yes really, if your job requires lots of calculations you’d be stupid not to have one, even back when they were expensive.
Every machinist I know, even the crusty old ones, carry a calculator in their pocket. It’s indispensable. Why wouldn’t you carry one if you need it all the time?
And yet my point stands: if you need to do a lot of calculations at your job, you’d be stupid not to have a calculator in your pocket. And if you don’t, then the time it takes to find a calculator will be negligible.
I’m that old, too. Can you imagine a student back then saying, “I’ll have a calculator, flashlight, camera, video recorder, music collection, and games to pass the times I have to wait on others.”
“Oh yeah and it’s also a computer that’s more powerful than any computer you’ve ever laid eyes on that has access to an unimaginable wealth of human knowledge via a wireless connection to the Internet.”
The subject became “stupid shit teachers say that is not applicable in the real world” and in that context the subject never changed. They were probably told “you won’t have a calculator in your pocket all the time” as well as “don’t using the internet(google and Wikipedia) as sources” which was very common to be told around the time when they would have been in school. I’m not attacking you I just think you misunderstood as everyone is possible of doing.
Maybe they aren’t good at expressing themselves but it makes sense with my point of view where as taking your viewpoint it’s just nonsense. Maybe they had a point of view where it makes sense. Where they are coming from it makes the comment make sense where if we follow yours we just think everyone else is an idiot with no room for fault of your own. That’s fine if you are always right but you are not, as with everyone.
Lol. Your back and forth was entertaining. I expressed what I intended to, teachers were still doing the whole “don’t trust everything you read” and “you won’t have a calculator in your pocket” when I was at school.
Aww snookums, I was only providing an anecdote to the comment I replied too, no need to get bent out of shape over it. And fyi teachers were still telling us that we wouldn’t always have calculators when I was 16 doing my GCSEs and learning algebra and compound interest for an exam where we had two papers with calculators used and one where we weren’t allowed calculators.
This wasn’t all that long ago though. I’m only in my 30’s and was told this in elementary school in the 90’s and early 2000’s. The iPhone was first released only 16 years ago.
It depends on how hard you push the envelope. The closer you get to doing something no one has ever done before, the more likely you are to be in your own.
Of course, any time you’re doing something no one has ever done before, it’s prudent to consider whether you should.
I feel you, my problem is that I switch between languages too much. I’m learning rust right now as a hobby, but I’m technically a frontend dev with years of experience in angular and react, and a couple months ago I have been put on a legacy rails project, which we’re rewriting for Angular x Java stack (thankfully my roommate is a Java backend dev, he’s been a lot of help) and on top of this I maintain my Cyberpunk 2077 mods written in lua, c++ and redscript (swift-like).
How do I do thing that I do every day, but in this language I’m using today
Modding is definitely a nightmare though. One day I’m writing the latest python. The next I’m looking at some C library that was published half a decade before I was born and is for some reason deep in the bowels of the game engine I’m modding
Lol this applies to so many things. Maybe there’s some prestige to doing something for the first time, but really there were probably a dozen people that contemplated it and decided against it for good reasons.
Googling problems certainly helps but you still need enough knowledge to define the problem, Google it, and implement the solution.
I get the impression that a lot of posted solutions are from people who actually spoke to high level tech support for various hardware/software because how else would they know things like what obscure registry key with a very arbitrary name to add?
That’s a big part people don’t understand is you need to know enough about your problem to google the correct terms and find what you need. Googling itself is a learned skill.
This is so true. That’s why there’s no shame in using Google or Duckduckgo or even Chatgpt. You have to know enough to phrase the right question, know how to filter the right answer, and then use it.
I can Google a Chinese dictionary, but that won’t make me fluent in Chinese.
“There is no point in reinventing the wheel” is my favorite saying when it comes to things like this.
If something has been done over and over again, there is no point in doing it yourself from scratch. It wastes time, money, and effort that could be spent on creating something new.
Humanity’s greatest strength is being able to add to the previous generation’s knowledge base, too!
If we had to relearn how to do the same things in the same way, in every generation, we would still be in the stone age…
When I manage folks, I expect them to steal if its already been done and especially if it’s been done to death.
If I relied on my college CS textbooks as reference for anything I code now, not only would it have been outdated 2 years after purchase, but it’s been ten damn years now. Only actual reference books I have are for theory. And even then it’s probably not the best source anymore.
there is no point in doing it yourself from scratch.
Learning. The point is to learn.
You don’t have to learn everything that way, but you understand things a lot better when you’ve built them from scratch, and that underlying foundation enhances the entire knowledge stack.
I like both of your guys’ points. Keeping all old knowledge while deconstructing and rebuilding it to make it understandable to newer generations is pretty great in my opinion
Well, you need the basics of software development to start with. But sure, I'm not going to make my own implementation for every problem I come across. That would be insanity and a colossal waste of time.
However, people googling or using ChatGPT to create code they do not understand themselves, are just cargo cult programming, and it will bite them in the arse/ass (delete as applicable).
I had an emailed a question that I didn’t really know where to go with, so I asked Copilot to answer the email factually. Sent that email with a note of ai origin, but it was close enough and got us into right track
You can ask it for source now with browser integration. Previously the browser extension was a separate model with gpt3.5 which was pretty bad, now it’s just integrated into gp4. It works a million times better and it’s great that it doesn’t break the flow of the conversation.
While I never had it happen, it could give you wrong command line switches that do damage. For example, when I asked how I could list volumes attached to an AWS instance, it gave me a “modify-volume” command instead of “describe-volume” command. Thankfully, I caught that before I cut and paste it.
I’ve made it two decades in IT and related fields by searching for answers using Google. I accidentally took my laziness, love of automation, and ability to Google and became an SRE. Then I accidentally became a senior software engineer because the director on that side of the house liked my initiative and was sure my skills would translate. I protested but got a substantial bump to do it.
I’m failing upwards by abusing stack overflow and search engines.
Yep. I’ve got company access to GitHub Copilot, a personal subscription to ChatGPT, and I use Bing Copilot.
Bing and ChatGPT have a lot of utility overlap. Those things don’t do my job for me but they do generate initial ideas and double check my code. I also use GPT as my rubber duck that kind of talks back. I literally tell it to be a rubber duck and pretend to know nothing, then chat with it. It’s pretty great for that. Better than the bear that sits on my desk, but not as fun to look at.
Those are the newest tools in my arsenal of “Make computers do my job and rake in the paycheck”.
I ask ChatGPT to roleplay as my 90s sitcom programming teachers Chip Bytefield, makes me giggle a lot more when I use it for ‘poor mans’ peer programming :-). Gonna try your idea too, sound fun!
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