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taanegl, in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

Snaps are centralised packaging, a’la Apple App Store or Google Play. Now if someone forked snapd, added third party repo and made It so you could select which repo is the main one, that’d be a start.

But as long as Canonical commits to a centralised form of distribution with no third party support I’m going to advise desktop users to stay away from Ubuntu.

TheFriendlyArtificer,

It’s more than just centralized control.

They have the ability to arbitrarily push out Snap updates.

That’s right! Your production server is getting patched without your knowledge or consent. Thankfully they magnanimously decided to let admins delay it by a few weeks.

Linux is about control. I decide what my machine does. When it updates. What it updates. The feedback from Canonical regarding Snaps was so tone dead and condescending it made Steve Balmer look sane. It boiled down to, don’t worry your pretty little head off. We know what’s best.

Shareni,

They have the ability to arbitrarily push out Snap updates.

That’s right! Your production server is getting patched without your knowledge or consent.

What deranged donkey is using snaps for infra?

rwhitisissle,

If you run Ubuntu on a production server, you better having snapd disabled.

breakingcups, in How to fool a laptop into thinking a monitor is connected?

There might be settings in the bios that allow you to disable the graphics card, not halt on errors or disable the internal screen, but they’re not usually exposed on laptop BIOS, they’re quite locked down.

Jean_le_Flambeur, (edited ) in What's (are) the funniest/stupidest way(s) you've broken your linux setup?

Types

rm -r -f Presses strg+v (instead of strg + shift + v)

Hits enter

Maschine proceeds to delete the home folder as the garbage that comes when pressing normal strg+v gets interpreted so…

timkenhan, in What's (are) the funniest/stupidest way(s) you've broken your linux setup?

Don’t get me started.

There are good reasons why I have personal “production system” to do my work with.

lemmyreader, in My First Month of Linux

Cool! Welcome on board of Planet Linux. 🐧

IsoSpandy, in Linux Newbie - Curiosity

I know you have been getting a lot of suggestions but have you tried Fedora or any of the rpm based distros?

Basically all Linux distros can trace everything back to three major ones: Debian, Arch and RHEL. (Also slack ware is a thing and there are many non major one). Since you tried Debian and arch families without success, I suggest you give the RHEL family a go. In my experience RHEL based distros have the best hardware compatibility.

pruneaue, in Is Ubuntu deserving the hate?

People dont hate on ubuntu cause its inherently bad. They hate on it because its a corporate distro and they do some questionable stuff sometimes. The OS runs fine.

Why not debian unstable? Its better than ubuntu in pretty much every way imo. Somewhat less user friendly i guess.

krash,

Doesn’t Debian still ship with X11 by default? For my desktop use, I can’t go back from wayland.

pruneaue,

Havent installed debian with a desktop environment in a long time. If its still default then its just that, default… meaning you could change it

krash,

I prefer software with defaults that are in line with my preferences. I rather have sensible defaults and a nice OOTB experience, instead of fighting my distro and it’s packages.

pruneaue, (edited )

Thats fair. I’ve jumped that ship a while back.
I checked and they seem to use wayland by default on gnome at least

Auli,

Don’t think so. I mean it has X11 but I’m running Wayland can’t remember if it was installed by default though.

Loucypher,

Is Debian unstable really unstable or is just like… Ubuntu?

Frederic,

Use MX Linux instead, I will never go back to something else

logir,

What are the advantages in your opinion?

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s not actually unstable, more accurately it’s tested and verified as much as Debian stable, meaning it’s fine for desktop use but I wouldn’t use it for a server or critical system I plan on running 24/7 without interruption, both since it may have bugs that develop after long term use and gets more frequent updates which will be missed and render it out of date quickly if it’s running constantly.

lemmyvore,

It’s a dumping ground for new packages. Nobody makes any guarantees about it. It’s supposed to be used only as a staging area by developers.

It may happen to work when you install it or it may crash constantly. You don’t know.

XTL,

It’s unstable in the sense that it doesn’t stay the same for a long time. Stable is the release that will essentially stay the same until you install a different release.

Sid is the kid next door (Iirc) from Toy Story who would melt and mutilate toys for fun. He may have been a different kind of unstable.

Neither is unstable like an old windows pc.

rufus, (edited )

It’s relatively alright for something that’s called unstable. There is also testing which is tested for at least 10 days. And you can mix and match, but that’s not recommended either.

I wouldn’t put it on my server. And I wouldn’t recommend it to someone who isn’t okay with fixing the occasional hiccup. But I’ve been using it for years and I like it.

However, mind that it’s not supported and they do not pay attention to security fixes.

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I used to run Debian testing on my servers. These days I don’t have much free time to mess with them, so they’re all running the stable release with unattended-upgrades.

However, mind that it’s not supported and they do not pay attention to security fixes.

To be clear, it can still get security updates, but it’s the package maintainer’s responsibility to upload them. Some maintainers are very responsive while others take a while. On the other hand, Debian stable has a security team that quickly uploads patches to all officially supported packages (just the “main” repo, not contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware).

rufus, (edited )

Thanks for clarifying. Yeah I implied that but didn’t explain all the nuances. I’ve been scolded before for advertising the use of Debian testing. I’m quite happy with it. But since I’m not running any cutting edge things on my server and Docker etc have become quite stable… I don’t see any need to put testing on the server. I also use stable there and embrace the security fixes and stability / low maintenance. I however run testing/unstable on my laptop.

pruneaue,

Unstable is pretty damn stable, feels arch-y to me, and arch rarely has issues. If there are issues they’re fixed fast.
Testing is the middle ground. Tested for a bit by unstable peeps but thats it.

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Testing is the middle ground. Tested for a bit by unstable peeps but thats it.

IIRC packages have to be in unstable with no major bugs for 10 days before migrating to testing. It’s a good middle ground IMO.

Of course, you could always run unstable and be the one to report the bugs :)

hallettj,
@hallettj@beehaw.org avatar

Debian unstable is not really unstable, but it’s also not as stable as Ubuntu. I’m told that when bugs appear they are fixed fast.

I ran Debian testing for years. That is a rolling release where package updates are a few weeks behind unstable. The delay gives unstable users time to hit bugs before they get into testing.

When I wanted certain packages to be really up-to-date I would pin those select packages to unstable or to experimental. But I never tried running full unstable myself so I didn’t get the experience to know whether that would be less trouble overall.

Loucypher,

Side question on this, why are people suggesting Debian, a stable but “old” distro, but never mention RHEL / Rocky? They are on par with stability (and quite possibly RHEL wins on it). Did you know that you can get a free licence if you register as a developer?

pruneaue,

As the other reply said, Fedora and RHEL harbor the same problem as Ubuntu in terms of corporate backing.
They’re all as stable at it gets when it comes to linux distros; all those “server distributions”.

I guess people recommend debian because that’s what they know. It’s got the biggest community, so the most support.
Nothing against Rocky, but i wont recommend it if i’ve never used it.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

If we pretend the issue is just the corporate aspects of Ubuntu/Canonical, Red Hat and RHEL have all of those and then some. People just try not to think about that because Fedora is so nice.

As for Rocky: The status of that is pretty much in massive flux since Redhat bounce between tolerating it and wanting it to be even deader than CentOS depending on the day.

jimbolauski,

The thing is R Hell can’t legally block rocky from using their source, unless they break GPL or stop publishing their images to iron bank.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Are we really back to the 00s? Are we going to start calling it Micro$hill next?

And “Legally it can’t be stopped” doesn’t really bode well for long term support in the context of contributors and so forth. It won’t prevent me from using Rocky (I actually really like it for servers I will likely re-image sooner than later) but it also means I am not going to recommend it to people looking for a distro.

jimbolauski,

When looking at the 8.x and 9.x releases Rocky is the most popular distro for enterprise Linux. Even more popular than R hell, and yes I’m still bitter about what they did to centos.

Auli,

Technically they have to give the code to people who use their product. And the general public is not it. Except I guess the free license one would be problematic. Unless their is something in the license for your use.

jimbolauski,

You do not have to sign a licensing aggreement when you pull the image from Iron Bank, or spin up cloud VMs. In both of those cases you will get access to their source.

yum13241, in Fedora, Arch, or EndeavourOS?

Fedora requires less maintenance which is important in a university scenario. But then you have those Exam Safe Browsers which don’t run on wine anyway.

If you’re going to miss AUR-levels of package count, my advice is to grab openSUSE (preferably non-Leap), get familiar with zypper and yast, then add the Packman repo. Combined with the OBS (basically the openSUSE version of the AUR), you’ll have pretty high package availability.

openSUSE also requires less maintenance than Arch.

But generally, I recommend EndeavourOS, just add the chaotic-aur so you don’t spend hours compiling, and have fun!

mofongo, in How to fool a laptop into thinking a monitor is connected?

On windows I think you need a HDMI dummy plug as others mentioned here before but Linux has to have a way to run headless. You can run Linux in Qemu without a connected display. If you find anything on why it’s not booting please let me know!

squid_slime, in What's (are) the funniest/stupidest way(s) you've broken your linux setup?
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

I was new to Linux, I made the not so calculated decision to use manjaro as my daily, deleted xorg to in an attempt to reinstall xorg to then hopefully fix the stuttering. Everything went wrong, no display obviously, /boot/ files where corrupt. I now use arch and am wiser

skeletorfw, in What's (are) the funniest/stupidest way(s) you've broken your linux setup?

My own classic was fiddling with the nvidia PRIME config to try and get rid of some very mildly irritating screen tearing. No graphics output at all. Now this is fixable of course, but it’s a pig.

And I’d decided to do this 2 hours before an incredibly important progress review meeting for my PhD.

Got it back with about 10 mins to spare and decided just to leave the driver config alone after that.

Bonus round

Also a friend managed to bork his ubuntu 16 laptop by trying to switch from unity to gnome and ending up with sort of neither. That was reinstall territory right there.

Walop, in Richard Stallman has cancer

*GNU+cancer

520,

I have a hard time deciding what to do with this.

On the one hand... Dude, even as someone who loves dark humour, I couldn't bring myself to make a cancer joke upon news of a diagnosis unless the person was a true shitstain on the earth, like Trump.

On the other hand...that was fucking brilliant and works on so many levels.

galoisghost,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

That’s a terrible joke that deserves the downvotes, because cancer is shit and I only wish the best to anyone who is diagnosed with it, but I laughed.

Petter1, in What's (are) the funniest/stupidest way(s) you've broken your linux setup?

For me, it was a simple enabling of AUR im manjaro, twice Now I use arch, lol.

MyNameIsRichard, in What software is best to have in a flatpak on tumbleweed?
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

DBeaver because it’s not in the repos or obs

Dariusmiles2123, in My First Month of Linux

It’s really nice to see a post like this.

Back in the day I was also dual booting windows and Ubuntu but windows was messing with the system clock.

Then I decided to just have a windows VM to be able to backup my iPhone (not my own choice😞), but I’d want to replace that VM by a MacOs so that at least I learn how to use a new system since I have to keep using windows at work anyway.

The community is a big plus on Linux and you always find someone ready to help you.

I also love the spirit of Linux where you rely way less on big corporations.

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