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simple, in VanillaOS 2.0 (Orchid) Alpha Build 84 Available Now

Never really understood Vanilla OS. Why use this compared to other immutable distros like Fedora Silverblue?

Secret300,

Their package manager interest me. From what I’ve read it seems I can install any app from any distros repo and it’ll set up the container for me

gonzoknowsdotcom1,

You can run containers that are integrated such as android, arch, etc

Guenther_Amanita, (edited )

Which isn’t an unique feature of VOS. You can do the same on Fedora Atomic or any other distro too with Distrobox and Waydroid.

BUT, I like VOS’ implemention. It’s nothing special, but still neat!

gonzoknowsdotcom1,

agreed

MonkCanatella,

Yeah but that’s true about any linux distro. if you can do it on one, you can most certainly do it on any others

Pantherina,

Better Distrobox tooling I think. Actually pretty cool, that has to be ported. Silverblue is the better base imho.

Guenther_Amanita,

I’m a huge fan of Silverblue, but VanillaOS still looks pretty promising.

It doesn’t have much unique to offer imo, but it seems to be “the next Mint” in how I see it.

It has a similar philosophy (user friendliness and reliability), but kind of a different implementation.

Mint tries to archive that by looking similar to Windows UI-wise and being “stable” (in terms of a conservative release cycle).

VOS archieves that by looking simplistic (appealing to younger folks like myself) and being immutable + self managing.

Both are valid, but the key difference is that Mint is “old fashioned”, while VOS tries to use new technologies for it’s goals.

Blaiz0r, in Copy this code and paste it in the CLI. And no, it's not a forkbomb.

Show don’t tell

the_q, in Copy this code and paste it in the CLI. And no, it's not a forkbomb.

Downvote, block user and move on.

GustavoM, in Do I actually need to do anything to go from GeForce to Radeon?
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

afaik, you actually need to do way LESS compared to using a geforce card.

CaptainJack42, in What do you think about this?

It’s just clickbait like most of his videos, I never really liked Chriss’ videos, the tip of the iceberg was when he told people to disable kernel mitigation for a presumable performance boost (I tested it with disconnected network, it was like 2% on my machine), which is just plain dumb.

Use whatever distro you like, just know that you don’t have to distrohop for some program (DE or WM or whatever). I personally use endeavour, simply because I’ve used arch (and derivatives) for a while now and endeavour is just arch with sensible defaults and a lot of the configuration one would do anyway already done.

Papercrane,

yeah i guess this one didnt scream clickbait as much as the other videos of his. I got some in my feed afterwards and quickly realised that this guy doesnt shy away from using clickbait titles.

What is DE or WM? Is it actually that easy to change distro? Dont you have to basically install everything again from scratch? I read somewhere that you can seperate your directories on your SSD so that you can just change the kernel but i dont know how easy or true that is

CaptainJack42, (edited )

DE is desktop environment (like gnome, kde, xfce,…) And WM is window manager (like i3, sway, xmonad,…) Which is just a slim version of a de, they usually don’t include things like guis for settings, file managers, … and you just pick what you like and use that. The window manager is responsible for placing the windows in your workspace and most standalone wms are tiling, so they use your monitor space efficiently instead of putting floating windows all over the place. Basically the DE (or WM) is what you interact with most on your PC and a lot of beginners distrohop just to use a different DE when in reality you can just install the other de on your existing system, log out and select the new DE in your login screen.

The biggest differences between distros nowadays are their release cycles and their package managers (and the tepos they’re using, like Ubuntu and Debian both use apt, but have separate repos)

And no you can’t really change distro without reinstalling, you can change kernels tho, every distro will update their kernels from time to time and it’s just a matter of install the new package and reboot into the new kernel.

With separate directories you probably mean partitions, which I’d also say it’s advisable to have your /home partition separated from your / partition. That way if you ever have to reinstall or want to change distro you can just install into the root partition and afterwards add your old/home partition to /etc/fstab and keep all you’re user data and configuration

Papercrane, (edited )

interesting, so every DE has a WM or are can only one of them at a time be used? And if you use a WM you have to install guis, file managers yourself? I think the only thing i would want is a DE/WM that has tabs for folders. I think its a neat feature to have

LeFantome,

The basic GUI experience in X is provided by the window manager. It controls how your windows are placed ( eg. Tiling vs Stacking / Floating ), how they are decorated ( eg. Max / Min / Close buttons ), and how they behave ( eg. Click to focus ). In X, the window manager runs as an application on the X server. You can only use one at a time.

In Wayland, the “window manager” is the display-server too and is called a compositor. For smaller projects, there are compositor libraries that provide similar capabilities to what the X server did so that these projects can concentrate on the “window manager” part. You can think of a Wayland compositor as equivalent to an X window manager ).

A Desktop Environment comes with a window manager ( or compositor ) and adds other tools that run alongside ( or on top of ) the window manager to provide a full user experience. This may include panels ( eg. think Windows start button, icon bar, and status tray ), docks ( like MacOS ), global menus, notification applets, and the desktop surface itself ( eg. are there icons or other features on the desktop ). A DE usually comes with a standard set of basic applications like a file manager, image viewer, document viewer, media player, and the like.

If you start with a basic window manager then yes you have to add all this other stuff yourself. Of course you may not want some of it and so can have a much lighter experience. You can also just choose tools that you like. Of course, they may not match visually or work perfectly together.

If you use a DE, the experience is curated for you and everything is more likely to work well out of the box. That said, nothing stops you from swapping out whatever components you want. You can even use a different window manager than the DE default.

Papercrane,

Thanks alot for the more than enough explanation :)

hornedfiend,

While I admit most of my arch reinstalls are mostly the same,I feel that archinstall script is genuinely good now with most defaults I need. The rest I can just add it in the installer extra packages or chroot post install (which is offered as a choice at the end).

I just could never bring myself to use distros that are technically the same distro with calamares slapped in top and whatnot. I mean ‘pacman -S {packages}’ is straightforward enough for me.

Grangle1, in 10 YouTube Channels Linux Users Should Explore

One that I watch that wasn’t mentioned yet is Switched to Linux. It’s good for Linux information especially when it comes to focusing on privacy and security, but just a fair warning knowing the general Lemmy community, he does like to talk about things like politics in some of his videos (especially his Weekly News Roundups) and he’s a conservative Christian, so if that is a problem for you, you may not enjoy the channel much. When he sticks to purely Linux content his information is good, though.

mojo, in Do I actually need to do anything to go from GeForce to Radeon?

I had a GTX 1080 and swapped to an AMD graphics card. I didn’t reinstall my Fedora Linux distro, instead it “just worked” as soon as I booted. It was very strange coming from Nvidia to have it just work lol. It’s probably best to uninstall the Nvidia drivers after that though, and make sure there’s no blacklists in your boot settings still.

anothermember, in What do you think about this?

Seems to have an irrational hang up around Red Hat based on all the hearsay going around.

adam_b, in What do you think about this?

“People get upset, especially when its an honest tier list”

Makes me question, how “honest” it really is

A few moments later

seems like a purist to me, liking only Arch + Debian

But I agree with this man’s take

Pierre, (edited ) in Looking for a "couch laptop"

I went with a used ThinkPad yoga 370. It still only has a dual core while the following Gen has 4 cores, so it seemed there was a price gap. It has thunderbolt 3 for when I want to switch to a bigger screen (with a cheap USB c dock) and USB c charging. Also I wanted to try a touchscreen on a laptop. I should be able to upgrade the single ram stick in it at some point. Running arch with sway without problems.

Edit: I had a x240 for years before. It was fine but I appreciate the higher resolution of the 370, even if I ended up using fractional scaling as it was just a bit too small.

possiblylinux127, in gamescope through the heroic launcher is WAY better than steam

Just wait until you find out about moonlight

noodles, in gamescope through the heroic launcher is WAY better than steam
@noodles@lemmy.world avatar

Gpu selection?

terminhell,

Probably intended for laptops

noodles, (edited )
@noodles@lemmy.world avatar

No, i meant there should be an option to select which card gamescope will use The game will run on the dgpu but gamescope uses the igpu which should help solve problems with nvidia cards, btw gamescope has an option for that


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I think it would be nice having it in the gui

db2, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

If you go far enough out then Windows, Android, Linux, iOS, WebOS, QNX, Tizen and goddamn TempeOS all do the same thing. Reductio ad absurdum.

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

I know but both Ubuntu and Android do it for a purpose: Include as many people as possible, most people like Ubuntu but dislike Android. I love both, because they are the pillars of open source along with Debian.

db2,

Ubuntu is based on Debian, so I’m with you about Debian, but Ubuntu lost their way a long time back and can duck off.

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

the Linux leader from my Linux usergroup uses Debian 11 with Xfce so technically he is being classic. I use Ubuntu with GNOME, it’s the best for both beginners and pro.

KISSmyOS,

What the hell is a “Linux leader”??

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

the person who organizes the Linux speeches and does other things including the website and posters. I sometimes help him get posters and other stuff done, it’s a community!!

PullUpCircuit,

Are you in a local user group, like a Linux club?

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

yes!!

PullUpCircuit,

I remember these being suggested to me as a newbie a long time ago.

Please continue to learn! It’s great to bring new perspectives to play.

I kind of answered this elsewhere in the thread, but here is my answer to you.

If you are referring to basic OS level functions, they are super similar, but they are also wildly different.

Ubuntu is based on Debian. It is centered on keyboard and mouse input, often with touchscreen. It uses a Canonical kernel.

Android is its own flavor of Linux, entirely centered on touch input. It uses a heavily customized AOSP kernel.

While I think it might be entirely possible to install and remove packages to have one act like the other, they have wildly different kernels.

Here is a pretty lengthy write up on the subject by Richard Stallman.

theguardian.com/…/android-free-software-stallman

KillerTofu, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

One is owned by a multinational company and the other isn’t.

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

technically Ubuntu is owned by a multinational company too!!

KillerTofu,

Sure. They’re exactly the same then.

PullUpCircuit, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

Are you talking about mobile OS? I can’t imagine using Android as a desktop.

The biggest differences are the available packages and the that Android is typically heavily locked down to prevent user access.

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

Android isn’t locked down, because you can download things from the internet, get new apps, even if you can’t access the Google Play Store!! and you can run the terminal.

conciselyverbose,

If you, as the owner, don't have root, it's extremely locked down.

There are a few you can get root, but they're the exception, not the rule, and having to jump through hoops for it is still a locked down OS.

theshatterstone54,

Here’s a task for you: Create a new file called “Unlimited_POWER” in /

Do that both on Android and Ubuntu using the built in or preinstalled terminal, and no external devices. No new software installation. Just this task on a fresh install.

Granixo,
@Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

Oh but there is. (Chrome OS)

PullUpCircuit,

Oh, I forgot about Chromebooks and ChromeOS. They are similar, but there are significant differences.

ChromeOS is based on Gentoo. It is centered on keyboard and mouse input, often with touchscreen.

Android is its own flavor of Linux, entirely centered on touch input.

While I think it might be entirely possible to install and remove packages to have one act like the other, we are comparing a different Linux flavor against Android.

Also, my answer is probably generic enough to answer OP.

Quackdoc, (edited )
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

it’s not accurate to say android is centred on touch input. Android has some of, if not the most diverse input options, mouse and keyboard works fine, also there is a large library of apps compatible with remotes/gamepads. While that might be how a lot of people normally interact with it, android is very well developed to be diverse

Quackdoc,
@Quackdoc@lemmy.world avatar

android as desktop works pretty decently actually, it can be quite nice when you set it up, especially for lower end hardware, and ofc, if you need more flexibility, you can run linux in a chroot and use x11 to bring the screen to the android env. or go vice versa and use waydroid in linux and your desktop, then simply swap out when you dont need it. (though waydroid can be harder on low end hardware)

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