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ptz, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

I don’t like Google’s Android or Ubuntu. lol

But I do like Android (AOSP) and Debian a lot though.

technologicalcaveman,

I like Calyx and Gentoo. They've been nice to me.

ILikeBoobies, in Looking for a "couch laptop"

I used a Pinebook for that

davel, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

You’re basically saying that virtually every Linux is the same, which to a certain extent is true and to a certain extent is not true.

Basically you haven’t said anything.

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

what I’m saying is that Android is a Linux distribution for mobile phones, whether it’s locked down or not depends on the developer!! Which is why Puppy Linux is also locked down and lightweight.

Granixo, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
@Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

Android is a mobile operating system owned by one of the 3 largest tech companies in the world.

Ubuntu is an alternate desktop OS for users of x86 systems that can’t pay a licence, want to bring new life to old hardware or just want to use something other than Windows or MacOS.

kia, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

Hidden terminal? Locked down root user? Troll post or do you not know anything about Ubuntu?

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

no!! I’m not a troll, but Ubuntu uses sudo commands instead of root. And using root is not encouraged… I’m sorry!!

Euphoma,

Sudo is root. It executes commands as the root user on every linux distro.

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

yes I know, I’m sorry. I love both Android and Ubuntu!! And you can get sudo in Android, but it can void the warranty of your phone.

phx,

You can potentially get sudo on Android, but the ability to do so largely depends on the device. I guess there may be some devices which run on Linux and lock the user out from installing their own version or accessing super-user, but that’s a lot less common.

I would say that Android is not Linux, but it is based on Linux. The ACK is a based on the core Linux kernel, but with additions that aren’t found in mainline and a fairly different userspace and lack of a GNU C library. They’re more like cousins than siblings at this point.

RealM,
@RealM@kbin.social avatar

Troll post or shill, same account recently asked "why do people dislike google, they're only doing legal data saving for stuff you search" and then ignored every bit of legitimate croticism that was handed to them.

Makes no sense to interact with such an account.

terminhell, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

Ubuntus terminal isn’t really hidden. The root user not being usable (heavily advised against) is a good thing for almost all situations (something I wish windows would also do by default).

Android is built entirely for mobile devices. Ya sure you CAN get it running on other devices, but why?

Friendly interfaces, is subjective tbh. I think I get where you’re coming from.

Lettuceeatlettuce, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

Plenty of people like both and plenty of people dislike both…

520, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

No.

  1. They have user interfaces designed for completely different use cases and input devices.
  2. Ubuntu doesn't really hide it's terminal.
  3. Ubuntu in no way has a locked down root. A simple sudo command is all you need. In a typical Android phone, is MUCH harder to get root on.

Android and Ubuntu are much more different than you realise. From the technical details to Google's monopolistic practices. Honestly it is shorter to list what they have in common (basically the Linux kernel and a tiny selection of GNU utilities)

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

wait if Android has GNU utilities, does that mean it’s GNU/Linux, I read somewhere that Android is Toybox/Linux.

520, (edited )

It has some GNU utilities. We are talking a very small selection indeed. Some might even be completely different implementations compared to the typical GNU toolbox.

We are certainly not talking entire toolchains.

RHOPKINS13, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
  1. Based on opinion, but okay, I'll give you that one.
  2. Ubuntu has terminal built-in, it's far from hidden. Most Android installs (average smart phone) don't include a terminal, you have to either use adb from a computer, or download a terminal from an app store.
  3. Ubuntu's root user is not locked down. By default the user can run any command they want using sudo, and a basic google search will tell them how to enable root login fairly quickly. By comparison, just about any android smartphone has to be "jailbroken" using an exploit in order to access root. Some phones, especially in the USA, can't be jailbroken at all.

Ubuntu is pretty upfront about any telemetry and allows you to disable it easily. A lot of Android's telemetry can't be opted out of, unless you happen to have an unlocked bootloader and can install a privacy-focused custom ROM.

These are not the same, although I get the point you're trying to make. Ubuntu has a user-friendly interface, with a goal of making Linux accessible to all. But for anybody who wants to, it's fairly easy to dig into the internals and become a "power user." It certainly makes no attempt to stop you from doing so. Android, on the other hand, on MOST instances, locks down everything, with little to no overrides, even from the user, many times "in the name of security."

Rustmilian, (edited ) in Question about RMM remote support on Wayland.
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Wayland imposes new rules, and one of those rules being that programs can’t arbitrarily access keystrokes and mouse input. This is done to protect against keyloggers as they are used by malicious actors to gain a bevy of information like passwords, banking information, personal information, etc.
I’m unsure if it’s Firefox, the RMM or both, but the necessary permissions aren’t granted and that’s why it’s not working.

sharkfucker420, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Google

kittenzrulz123, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

I’ll address all your points

  1. It’s just GNOME but slightly modified
  2. How? Gnome includes a terminal that technically exists (even if slow)
  3. Just use sudo

As for the differences

  1. Ubuntu is open source (Android =/= AOSP)
  2. Sudo is enabled
  3. Ubuntu repository
  4. Gnome is a proper desktop (and can even be a traditional desktop with extensions)
  5. Can be heavily modified
  6. Telemetry can be disabled
  7. The most controversial feature (snaps) can be removed
  8. Ubuntu uses the standard Linux kernel
  9. It’s a desktop operating system
  10. It’s not owned by a multi billion dollar ad company
drwankingstein,

(Android =/= AOSP)

can you elaborate on this? this is the first i’ve heard this take. rather I would say Android =/= gservices

kittenzrulz123,

Android generally refers to a complete Android system that includes Google software and services along with additional OEM bloat. Meanwhile ASOP is extremely bare bones and parts of it are being abandoned.

drwankingstein,

I guess AOSP is barebones, but it’s not like anything is being abandoned that matters, AOSP itself is still alive, kicking, and thriving. Interesting to hear that people consider Android, AOSP + proprietary bits. It’s not something i’ve used myself

Markaos,
@Markaos@lemmy.one avatar

Interesting to hear that people consider Android, AOSP + proprietary bits.

Google owns the Android trademark, and they won’t let you officially call any OS that doesn’t meet their requirements Android. And their requirements include Gapps among other things. That means AOSP is not Android.

kadu, (edited ) in gamescope through the heroic launcher is WAY better than steam
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

GameScope is mostly targeted towards the Steam Deck, where it works perfectly fine natively.

const_void, in Question about RMM remote support on Wayland.

What is rmm?

funkajunk,
@funkajunk@lemm.ee avatar

Remote monitoring and management

TxTechnician,

Remote management and monitoring software. I run an msp

maniel, (edited )

What’s MSP? I bet it’s a popular abbreviation in your profession but Google says it means Member of the Scottish Parliament

Got it, Managed Service Provider

tvcvt,

It’s managed service provider, which translates more or less to a company that handles IT for other companies.

ElectroLisa, in Copy this code and paste it in the CLI. And no, it's not a forkbomb.
@ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ye run this script which uses GCC and launches compiled result, what could possibly go wrong

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