Who made Red Hat the arbiter of when xorg should end?
I mean, sure they’re a major Linux vendor but their market is servers with hardly any foothold in the desktop market. It would be more interesting to see how long Debian, Ubuntu or Arch will keep xorg alive.
Redhat does a lot of testing/patching with Xorg Server.
most of the people who was working on Xorg Server moved to Wayland a few years ago, Ubuntu and Debian have been Defaulting to Wayland, on the main Desktops, and Desktops are dropping Xorg Server support in Development, this is not just Redhat.
No Patches and No $$$,$$$,$$$ = Xorg server dead. if you want to pay 15 to 20+ Software Engineers/Testers to work on Xorg Server got for it.
FreeBSD has Wayland support to.
Even the Xorg mailing list is mostly dead, many of the Xorg Server Dev’s moved on, XWayland will be long lived.
and last i was there for all the Crying about XFree86 to I’m old.
People are completely missing the point here. “Who made Red Hat the arbiter of when Xorg should end?”
I would say nobody but perhaps a better answer is all of us that have left the work of maintaining Xorg to Red Hat. All that Red Hat is deciding is when they are going to stop contributing. So little is done by others that, if Red Hat stops, Xorg is effectively done.
Others are of course free to step up. In fact, it may not be much work. Red Hat will still be doing most of the work as they will still be supporting Xwayland ( mostly the same code as Xorg ), libdrm, libinput, KMS, and other stuff that both Xorg and Wayland share. They just won’t be bundling it up, testing it, and releasing it as Xorg anymore.
So little is done by others that, if Red Hat stops, Xorg is effectively done.
Source?
As far as I know the X.org foundation is an independent non-profit organization, and while Red Hat is a sponsor and they have 1 member in the board of directors (out of 8), they don’t appear to be the main contributor.
As the video points out, a lot of the work in xorg (and Linux in general, fwiw) is done by red hat engineers. So red hat cutting on that investment bears direct consequences for everyone else. Unless of course someone steps up and takes their place in maintenance, but it’s not gonna happen, which is literally why Wayland (and not some revamped xorg) is the future of Linux desktop.
Also, red hat’s decisions often trickle down on most other distros. E.g.: systemd, pulseaudio, pipewire, gnome, not including proprietary codecs, etc.
So, they technically don’t arbiter, but they definitely set the pace.
By whom? Red Hat is pretty much the only one supporting X.Org so that’s why. Development will not really continue because there will be nobody to do the development.
Started dual booting Pop a few weeks ago, kept Windows for gaming for the same concern, but if you’ve got the major of your games in stream, Proton really is amazing. Had 0 issues with any game so far.
Check out Protondb and see if your current games are supported or not.
Once I’m 100% comfortable with Linux again I’ll probably bin of windows forever.
I already had a Windows install so letting Windows manage the bootloader seemed easier as I know it can cause issues if it thinks it’s not the OS as others have said.
All my games are off steam currently lol. I'm hearing the collective message of how feasible Linux is for gaming, tho
Keeping windows is also an "in case" measure because I'm ignorant with both OS, at this point: in case some use case comes up where having Windows is easiest to get something done. My goal is to keep to Linux as much as possible. Purely because I want to become familiar with it
Ubuntu. I initially downloaded it for my sibling’s pc but now that I’ve downloaded and configured all these things on their computer, I don’t want to reinstall a new OS and reconfigure and download everything again.
Over the years I have tried most mainstream distros. I have never seen a reason to use anything other than Debian. Never had it break due to upgrading, I have never tried Nix, Alpine, Gentoo, or Slackware, not many other others I haven’t tried since I started using Linux in 2000.
I used to take the long route of physically disconnecting the drive with windows when installing a Linux partition until I realized there wasn’t anything of use for me in windows, so I backed up some documents and removed windows completely from my desktop.
Debian is great for gaming just takes a little work. I run Debian sid and that has its pros and cons but I do it to have super updated packages and to help report bugs. But running stable with a mix of flatpaks and backports works great as well.
Debian is great since it’s just super vanilla packages from upstream for you to make it the way you want it.
I use KDE but that is out of habit and preference I have used them all and they all have pros and cons. Debian doesn’t customize them at all so there is no Debian specific DE for stable or sid.
It’s all about how they make you feel using them. also the nice thing is you can use gnome apps on kde and kde apps on gnome so unless you super care about theme there is no down side.
Like my favorite scanner app is Document Scanner for gnome and when I’m on gnome my favorite text editor is Kate. Yeah you’re doubling your needed disk space for libraries but disks space is cheap and your going to use up more space with flatpaks anyway.
I’m currently looking into xfce vs KDE plasma, something I need to pay attention to is a DE with x11 because nvidia hasn’t fully supported wayland ?
Am I right to consider it that way? Or do both support nvidia drivers?
I’m sorry, I only use debian as bare bone on my server and currently considering to switch my main desktop from windaube to linux and alot of informations on the web seem contradictory or incomplete :/
I run AMD now but ran Nvidia for years (RIP Evga). I had no issues with ether DE, other than the occasional update breaking things (only an issue with Sid) but that’s what you use timeshift to rollback for when something breaks and apt-listbugs to be aware of issues before you update.
Note you can swap between X11 and Wayland on KDE by just changing the session on login.
Thanks :) good to know I can switch between those two in KDE ! I need to test Plasma and xfce to see wich fits better my needs and has better suppport for my system !
I’ve installed Asahi Fedora remix on my 2021 M1 last week. Most things works fine now: speakers, HDMi (no video output with usbc yet), wifi, bluetooth, etc. It comes with KDE, it’s great but requires a lot of tweaks compare to Gnome imo. Overall it’s really stable, install was easy, and switching from MacOs to Linux is a little long but works fine. For me, the only issue so far is that it cant fully use the power of the GPU. I got a 32 core GPU so video editing is crazy fast on macOS. I know they are working on updating the driver. If I could get like 80% of the power I get on macOs, I probably would be using Linux 95% of the time.
If you’re interested in using flakes, this repo was helpful when learning how to get my first system configurations set up in an organized way github.com/Misterio77/nix-starter-configs
I did dual boot and I can recommend trying it if u have the space. The way the boot menu on mac works, you won’t notice anything if you continue using macOS. Most of the hardware does work but there are some minor issues. By default I think it uses KDE which is fine but compared to windows or MacOS window manager it sometimes does funny stuff. At least on my system
Same thing happened to me. Borked my Windows install and didn't have a recovery disc, so I just wiped the whole thing and went Linux-only. Never looked back since. :)
Sometimes, all you need is a little push to get you out of your comfort zone.
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