I get about 4GB of updates twice a month, with a couple gigabytes of updates every week or so because of Nvidia and Flatpak. That’s Manjaro, though.
Fedora slowly trickles their updates into your system, but I don’t think it’s much smaller. You’ll get small updates every day rather than huge updates every month.
Not saying your switch to Linux was bad or anything, but maybe temper your expectations.
The Flatpak issue is specifically because of distributions technicalities related to the proprietary driver. On AMD or Intel this isn’t a problem at all, in fact the block based update mechanism is much more efficient than most distro updates. It’s rather annoying, ur I believe it’s being worked on by the Flatpak devs.
Manjaro chooses to keep software back for a while, so multiple weeks of major updates all come at once. Add to that CUDA, the Nvidia Docker container, and LaTeX, and you easily get multiple gigabytes per update. It’s not really a problem in the age of terabyte SSDs and gigabit internet, even if it does feel quite pointless.
I’ve never really had many issues with Electron on Arch based distros. Arch packages most Electron applications as the required bits for a single Electron package that gets updated individually. On all other distros, Electron does waste a lot of space, though.
It wasn’t the fact that I got updates that bothered me. It’s the fact that this update will take up more space on my disk and not replace previously occupied 8 gb that irked me. Some how, the space occupied by windows jut keeps on increasing.
What blows my mind about windows updates is just how long they take to actually install. It’s not even the reboots that bother me. Just the sheer time frames.
Yeah, that’s always puzzled me as well. Part of the reason is that Windows does a lot more than your average Linux distro, and another part is probably that Linux lacks proper antivirus, but even then Windows Update has always seemed weirdly inefficient to me. It seems to be stuck diffing/decompressing on a single core, barely hitting the SSD until it does everything at once.
NIXOS. It has a very steep learning curve without acceptable documentation and once I climbed the learning curve, I realized that it was very different from the Linux that I love.
I hope you dont give up on it for too long, I think it’s a great OS once you get the hang of nix. To this day, its the only OS I trust where I could install anything I want and can still rollback without worries. Also I can make sure that my installation is the same as others, which means other people can literally just copy paste my config to test.
Next time I build a PC I likely will just out of the necessity for consistent driver support in linux. Though AMD cards in windows have always given me lesser results.
I may do a VM as I have to find a way to utilize my specialized music gear. I do have to say thank you for pointing me in the direction of Liquidctl though, I want to consider that.
Check out OpenRGB to see if it meets your lighting needs. I use it with Corsair Commander Pro, keyboard, mousepad, RAM, QL fans and the ASUS RGB header and attached lighting. It’s been working great on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for me.
It’s okay to dual-boot, or have independent systems. Just a suggestion, to consider.
I have 3 daily driven rigs. A MacBook for work, a Linux laptop for most things personal, and a Windows PC for gaming. Everything serves a purpose and specific use case.
Funny enough, last time I tried to do the whole 2 systems, I had Arch (with GRUB) on one nvme, and windows 11 on another nvme. At some point, all drives were unbootable. I am lucky I had my important data backed up, and on a separate drive anyways.
I had thought about it, but I really want to ditch anything windows.
Use VirtualBox to make a Windows VM and you pick the USB devices from the menu to connect them on the fly, or you can configure the VM to pass them in by default.
I tried Tumbleweed on my old main PC. When I finally got around to upgrade it, I immediately wiped it and got back to my beloved Gentoo (for which the old PC was getting a bit too slow)
Now I have Leaf on the family PC, because they pretty much only need Firefox and occasional LibreOffice and I’m lazy to try to find a different distro.
It may not have been necessary to do a complete reinstall. If fedora uses LVM or BTRFS for your partitions (which it likely does) then you could have just formated the windows drive and added it to your “pool”.
I actually did everything on Ext4 and had a separate home partition which was only 30gigs. So that was the main gripe in the previous install I had I thought to rectify it.
Alas I didn’t use btrfs this time also and did Ext4. Maybe I should have enabled snapshots. Who knows. I may just be an adventurous dude.
Are you using LVM? It’s a layer that sits under ext4 that allows for partition management similar to btrfs. You can find out if you’re using it by running sudo lvdisplay and you would see some logical volumes listed.
I think a lot of people get caught up in wanting Linux to “win” be getting more market share or getting XYZ software ported to Linux but Linux is doing great. Unlike Microsoft aggressively pushing Windows and sacrificing their own users on the altar of market share, Linux can just be.
More share would be great and greater software availability would be awesome but Linux doesn’t need to “beat” Windows or Mac to be useful or relevant or good. It already is. And I for one look forward to any new DE’s that anyone wants to make.
It would be nice to get some kind of more usable CAD program on Linux though but it’s not up to Pop_OS to do that, it’s up to Autodesk or a team of extremely talented FOSS programmers or a Blender Foundation situation where the whole industry commits to a new open standard.
If you’re a tinkerer it’s kind of addicting. I thought I’d give it a try just to see what it was like, and ended up staying up all night customizing it, and now about a month later I don’t really want to go back to KDE (been using KDE for almost 20 years)
Basically the windows partition was taking up around 250 gb. And wasn’t even booting into it. Sure I could access it from Linux, but it was literally useless.
FWIW link works fine for me (looking at other responses here).
Plasma’s global Edit Mode toolbar now has an “Add Panel” button that lets you add panels. With this located there, the desktop context menu has now lost its “Add Widgets” and “Add Panels” menu items since the functionality is fully available in the global Edit Mode. This makes the menu smaller and less overwhelming by default. Of course, if you want those menu items back, you can just re-add them. 🙂
I know it’s not a competition, but that right there encapsulates what I see as the philosophy difference between KDE and other teams. I love Plasma as a user, but this sort of thing is why I arrived here from there in the first place. Am I going to put those menu items back? Nope. But I like that the possibility I might want to matters to the team.
People need to understand Gnome’s goal is to bring simple Linux machines to the masses. I’m not even talking about your grandma or neighbour Joe, they spend a lot of time going after the 1.2B people in Africa and 400M people in South America. There’s a reason they only have one calculator named “Calculator” and not 2-3 like KDE has with “Kalk” or “Kcalc”. There’s a reason they created stopthemingmy.app.
Lots of power-users still love Gnome, some because it they came from MacOS (which Gnome is still vastly more customizable than), and some because the terminal gives all the power they need on Linux. For people who don’t like Gnome, you can still appreciate the sheer amount of resources they spend upstreaming work and keeping a fully FOSS GUI toolkit, something KDE never had the resources to do.
So yea, it’s frustrating see people hate on Gnome when they don’t even realize they’re not the target audience. (I know you’re not hating on Gnome, but wanted to vent that out a bit)
I have to admit I am a little bit of a Gnome hater, because I was a very happy Gnome 2.6(?) user when they moved my cheese (and then moved it again, and again, and again) - Gnome was for me until they decided I wasn’t the kind of user they wanted anymore.
Having said that, I appreciate the point you are making, and I only (tangentially) referenced Gnome in my first comment because the contrast is huge. KDE likes you to use the system how you want. (and it’s one of the things I love about KDE) Gnome likes you to use the system how they want. That’s all there is to it, regardless of how reasonable the logic behind that distinction may be.
It was pretty much the same story for me (although much earlier, in the 1.2 days I think).
Gnome was great but you couldn’t rely on anything. They loved removing stuff to make it more “lean” or changing it to match their “vision”. They didn’t care about their users, only their circlejerk.
I’m not sure it has changed a lot in since then. I’m glad I dropped that dumpster fire. I still have no idea why it’s the default on so many systems.
At least there are many great options for those who want something else.
I think Gnome is great. The workflow is amazing imo, better than a clunky Windows-inspired UX, and it’s nice to have a distro I can depend on being bug free without it being a project that moves too slowly.
And those trackpad gestures. Man. They make even Apple’s trackpad gestures feel like you’re using a £300 Acer laptop.
It’s also nice to have a desktop that actually gives a shit about UX, distraction-free computing, and consistency. It’s nice to have a desktop that encourages great third party apps that integrate well with the system and follow excellent design guidelines. It’s nice to have a DE team that are ballsy enough to go against the Win95 UX paradigm and does its own thing, despite knowing they’ll get extreme amounts of hate for it.
Just because it’s not your cup of tea doesn’t mean it’s a dumpster fire or they hate their users and are doing a circlejerk.
We don’t struggle with the idea of “Arch is too bleeding edge for me, so I won’t use it, but cool project nonetheless” or “Debian is too outdated for me, so I won’t use it, but cool project nonetheless”, so what is it about DEs - or tbh more accurately, Gnome specifically - that has people being like “this isn’t what I want, therefore it’s a piece of SHIT. Why do they hate their users? Why do the users use it? Don’t they realise the devs hate them??”
This elitist, tribal mentality is one of the worst parts about the Linux community, and is, ironically, a circlejerk of its own.
[ … ] what is it about DEs - or tbh more accurately, Gnome specifically - that has people being like “this isn’t what I want, therefore it’s a piece of SHIT. Why do they hate their users? Why do the users use it? Don’t they realise the devs hate them??”
You’re comparing Gnome and distributions which isn’t a very good comparison. Firstly because distributions are pretty much interchangeable, despite what people say, as they all pretty much do the same thing and install the same software, and secondly because Gnome has some history behind it.
In the early days, there wasn’t really much of a choice as far as desktop environments were concerned. You had a few fairly nice (for the time window managers), but if you wanted something integrated, there was Gnome or KDE. And KDE relied on the non free (at the time Qt). However Gnome kept changing and breaking stuff. The users kept asking the devs not to do it, and the devs quite literally told them to fuck off. A good number of people grew resentful towards the whole project around that time (and notably towards de Caza, who managed the whole thing). Soon enough Qt was freed, and many moved to KDE where the devs listened to users, where the concept was to empower and not to coerce. The difference was simply amazing.
I just suspect that you came in late to the show. I’ve had Linux on my desktop for close to 30 years now. So maybe Gnome got better, but it’s too late. They burned their bridges. As far as I’m concerned, it’s their turn to fuck off.
Now you know why there’s bad feelings towards them.
For instance, even if you have an old Intel integrated GPU, chances are you can still benefit from AMD’s FSR just by pushing a few flags to Proton GE, even if the game doesn’t officially support it, and you’ll literally get a free FPS boost (tested it for fun and can confirm on an Intel UHD Graphics 620).
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