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ninekeysdown, in What happens when Linus dies/retires?
@ninekeysdown@lemmy.world avatar

From what I understand Greg Kroah-Hartman would take over

TropicalDingdong,

At which point it becomes Gregus.

SnipingNinja, (edited )

Gregux*

Or as someone else said, Grex

pacology,
@pacology@lemmy.world avatar

I would switch to grex when that happens

andrew,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

A quick search shows he’s actually two years older than Linus. Though I’m sure there’s plenty of young blood in the community by now.

agressivelyPassive,

Not that much, unfortunately.

The entire process of contributing is a huge pain and makes it rather hard for new people to join.

fmstrat,

I think this is by design. I once contributed to git, and it required putting a patch in the mailing list. It certainly forced you to be sure your code was spot on.

agressivelyPassive,

And it will discourage new users from contributing. Thus, only boomers and corpos will contribute, and over time Linux becomes a de facto corporate owned committee.

Petri3136,

Any talk or podcast with him is generally worth listening to.

floofloof, in Overheating laptop, should I try a lighweight distro - which one?

A laptop of that age should not have any trouble with the kinds of things you’re doing, so it’s probably more of a hardware issue than a software one, unless some rogue process is eating up your CPU. You probably don’t need a lightweight distro (unless you prefer to keep things extra-light) and if it’s a hardware issue installing one may not help. So, as others have said here, first check the running processes for anything odd, then repaste it and blow out the dust.

LunchEnjoyer,
@LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world avatar

Yup thanks will do!

AceQuorthon, in What happens when Linus dies/retires?

GNU will spring their plan into motion for world domination, and send anyone who has said Linux and not GNU/Linux to GNUlag

workerONE,

They’ll reveal that GNU was actually Unix all along.

AceQuorthon,

That devious Joseph Stallman!

SnipingNinja,

My brain autocorrected the surname the first read through

Emanuel,

GNU is Now Unix

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

They will finally release HURD

state_electrician,

The real HURD is the friends we made along the way.

Dirk,
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[everyone liked that]

cybersandwich,

This make me actually spit coffee out. I don’t know why but it caught me off guard and I found it hilarious.

logifad501, (edited ) in Firefox (finally) enables Wayland by default on their builds
lauha,

Some of those arguments are legit but like half is complaining about wayland being fundamentally different to xorg and obviously you cannot use straight xorg apps on it.

“Linux is inferior because it breaks all my powershell scripts and all my windows only apps. Don’t use linux.”

russjr08,
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I mean, to play devil’s advocate here - if functionality that you need is all of a sudden swept out from under you then it doesn’t matter from an end user perspective if it’s not the intended design for Wayland - to the user, Wayland is broken in that regard.

A better equivalent would be if an application you used every day for the last 10 years all of a sudden has an update that kills features you used because that’s no longer part of the dev(s) vision. Or headphone jacks on phones. Or whatever that weird thing with Teslas where they disabled a sensor in an OTA update and replaced it with some other solution(?).

Or to modify the example you put, if Windows killed the cmd shell and only left powershell in a Windows Update.

I have an application that I need to use at work which will never fit Wayland’s design, short of me either finding a new job, keeping a Windows install around, or using a really old version of Linux around in a VM when X11 has completely disappeared from all distros (which won’t really work) - there will be nothing that I can do about it on the Wayland side because it’s highly unlikely the devs will update it to be compatible (since it’s a shock that they actually even had Linux support in the first place).

As it is, I currently just pop into an X11 session whenever I’m on working hours, it will suck that I can’t do that with Fedora come next release when they completely drop X from the repos.

30p87, (edited )

This is literally comedy lmao.

Most points are just complaining that tools specifically designed for X don’t work on Wayland. That’s like hanging onto your childhood pants and complaining they don’t fit anymore.

lemmyvore,

But many of those are actively used by people. I use screen recording, screen sharing, global menus, key automation and window automation every day. Even if I wanted to use Wayland I couldn’t. What exactly is it that you want me to do?

sanpo,

And one of the first points is how Wayland crash will bring down all running applications - yep, just like on X11! But it’s somehow Wayland’s fault.

Besides the fact that on Wayland running apps can survive a compositor crash (I think new KDE will have that feature), which I doubt can be done on X11.

30p87,

And I had exactly zero crashes of Wayland in my life, on any device.

SomethingBurger,

This is not what they are saying.

A crash in the window manager takes down all running applications

This does not happen on Xorg. If the WM crashes, it’s possible to kill it and restart it without exiting running applications.

Hexagon,

A WM crash does not bring down all the other applications… but an X11 server crash definitely does!

In wayland they are the same program (a.k.a. the compositor). User applications can be designed to survive a compositor crash, though many are not able yet

lemmyvore, (edited )

An X session depends on the main user process. Unless a DE picks the compositor as the main process then no, a compositor crash won’t affect the session. But they don’t do that, for obvious reasons, since the compositor is just a feature among others. They typically have a special program that takes that role, for example xfce4-session.

And one of the first points is how Wayland crash will bring down all running applications - yep, just like on X11! But it’s somehow Wayland’s fault.

They said that a Wayland window manager will bring down all apps, not a Wayland crash. Which, again, is not like it works on X, as I explained above. The window manager on X, like the compositor, is just another feature. If it crashes it just gets replaced and the session continues.

Krause,
@Krause@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Wayland does not work properly on NVidia hardware

That’s a feature, stop buying hardware from vendors that treat GNU/Linux and *BSD users as second-class citizens and locks them into proprietary drivers.

Wayland is biased toward Linux and breaks BSD

Seems to work just fine on FreeBSD.

Wayland breaks games

Games are developed for X11. And if you run a game on Wayland, performance is subpar due to things like forced vsync. Only recently, some Wayland implementations (like KDE KWin) let you disable that.

Gaming performance is actually better on Wayland.

lemmyvore,

That’s a feature, stop buying hardware from vendors that treat GNU/Linux and *BSD users as second-class citizens and locks them into proprietary drivers.

Nowadays I buy a new graphics card maybe twice a decade. I’m not changing the card for software.

Also, we’re all using proprietary hardware. Be serious. If you tried to never use anything proprietary you’d never use anything. You’re using like a dozen of them right now.

Krause,
@Krause@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Also, we’re all using proprietary hardware

Sure, I have proprietary bits on my kernel and my AMD GPU needs proprietary firmware loaded to work, but that’s a hell lot different than the situation NVIDIA shoves users into. It’s one thing to have small proprietary components that don’t bother me or break my workflow, it’s another to have black box drivers that can bork my setup if I dare to update my packages.

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  • flux,

    I suppose it explains why people have a bad attitude about Wayland when tools providing useful functionality are described as trojans.

    X11 can (…mostly…) have great security by just providing a suitable X Security module to it. It just seems it wasn’t considered that big of an issue that anyone bothered. Nokia Maemo/Meego used to rock such a module.

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  • flux,

    By that logic, is the compositor working any different than a trojan? Is there really a difference?

    The Wayland compositor is always capturing all your keyboard and mouse as well. No permissions asked. Pretty sus.

    Lober, in on arch btw.

    Sway has become a joy to use over time as I’ve fucked with my config but now I feel like it’s more boring too I barely ever feel the need or want to massively change anything 🥲

    callyral,
    @callyral@pawb.social avatar

    i think that’s called liking your current config

    vynlwombat,

    Ew gross

    bennieandthez,
    @bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    you can always use a login manager to manage different WM sessions. When i get bored of sway i switch to hyprland, i use different bars for each one too. Its bloat but its fun.

    lemcat, (edited )

    Same, I got “bored” so I tried hyprland for a bit on another machine, but when I realised I’d rather have the animations turned off, and was trying to make the config the same as my Sway one, I realised all I needed was Sway. Swaylove4eva

    Coreidan, in One single partition for Linux versus using a partition table?

    Shrug. To me this is like arguing over how to fold your underwear.

    MimicJar,
    @MimicJar@lemmy.world avatar

    Not at all? Just throw it into one big drawer?

    pastermil,

    Drawer? I keep mine in a bucket straight from the drier!

    Patch,

    You dry them?

    bartolomeo,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    So just the one partition then

    hungover_pilot, in How is your experience with Fedora as a server?

    I really like the web based management panel. Make it really quick and easy to add/change firewall rules, look at logs, etc.

    mfat, (edited )

    You mean Cockpit?

    hungover_pilot,

    Yes, looks like that is the official name for it. Thanks.

    possiblylinux127, (edited )

    You can install it on any distro. That’s not unique to Fedora

    possiblylinux127,

    *cockpit

    Haven5341, (edited ) in Is there an easy way to set up an email client so you get system notifications in GNOME once you receive an e-mail?

    gmail

    I don’t know much about Gmail but I’m quite certain, that you only have to enable IMAP/SMTP in Gmail settings.

    protonmail.

    Install the Proton Mail Bridge and connect to the IMAP/SMTP server on localhost (ports 1143 and 1025).

    Does anyone have a simple way of solving this problem?

    I had only minor problems getting the above to work. Anyway., for Protonmail there is ElectronMail. It’s available as Flatpak too and it minimizes/starts to tray.

    shapis, (edited )
    @shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

    I can get the clients to fetch the e-mail atm, the issue is what I wrote above, is there a simple way to get thunderbird to fetch them from the moment I turn the pc on and give me notifications about it?

    Haven5341, (edited )

    is there a simple way to get thunderbird to fetch them from the moment I turn the pc on and give me notifications about it?

    Sure. You can autostart Thunderbird and keep it open but I haven’t found a way, where Thunderbird closes/starts to the tray and for some odd reasons the developers seem to think that users do not need this functionality which makes the whole email client unusable for a large part of the potential user base.

    I can get the clients to fetch the e-mail atm, the issue is what I wrote above,

    ??? You wrote:

    Who the heck knows how to get evolution/geary to play nice with business gmail/protonmail.

    shapis,
    @shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

    Right, I wasnt as clear as I should have.

    As of this second I have all 3 clients I mentioned fetching e-mails while they’re open. However none of them fetch e-mails in the background, and geary/evolution seem to just… break sometimes and I have to redo the process to add business gmail/proton accounts to it.

    My main issue is the fetching e-mails in the background though, it doesnt feel to me as if it should be something that difficult or niche.

    Haven5341, (edited )

    geary/evolution seem to just… break sometimes

    That’s weird. I run Geary myself for a couple off accounts and so far it does the job perfectly and without hiccups.

    Anyway. You may try birdtray as written in one of the other comments but I’m pretty sure I tried it at least once and for some reasons wasn’t convinced. YMMW

    shapis,
    @shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

    Do you get background notifications with Geary?

    Haven5341, (edited )

    Do you get background notifications with Geary?

    Yes. If it helps: I run it under Gnome. Maybe you need some extra service running?! I just checked and on my machine - in addition to Geary - there is the evolution-data-server running among others (evolution-source-registry, evolution-alarm-notify, evolution-calendar-factory, evolution-addressbook-factory).

    shapis,
    @shapis@lemmy.ml avatar

    the developers seem to think that users do not need this functionality

    Weird.

    saccharomyces,

    Birdtray might be what you’re looking for. I’ve only used it on windows, but for me it gets thunderbird out of the way but able to be checked and used immediately.

    github.com/gyunaev/birdtray

    s38b35M5, in Overheating laptop, should I try a lighweight distro - which one?
    @s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

    How do you mean that its overheating? My GF says the same about her laptop, but its just cooling itself off. Does yours freeze or start slowing down a lot? Are you monitoring temps and see that they’re beyond your CPU acceptable range (usually 90C, IIRC)?

    LunchEnjoyer,
    @LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, the system totally slows down quite a bit, everything from the browser to my IDE uses quite a bit of time to load.

    LostXOR, (edited )

    Can you hear your laptop's fan speed up when it's overheating? Linux on my old laptop couldn't control the fan speed so it was always overheating. When I figured out how to manually set it to maximum, it overheated much less.

    Hexagon,

    This could also be done to the RAM filling up and/or high I/O activity of the disk. I suggest to investigate these possibilies as well

    s38b35M5,
    @s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

    If you are seeing temps out of spec for your CPU, its not unheard of for thermal paste to dry or even shift if the laptop has been through some chassis strain. Could be worth a careful examination.

    BOFH666, in A new pilot will investigate the use of Forgejo (A non profit FOSS alternative to github and gitea) in german schools

    Noticed someone mentioning this (the product ) last weekend and did a next-next-finish install on some old hardware.

    This is really nice, got me some nice actions running already.

    I used to build locally and use git, cgit and Trac, but will probably move everything to forgejo.

    dan, (edited )
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Trac

    That’s a name I haven’t heard in a looong time. I used to use a pre-1.0 version before GitHub became popular.

    ad_on_is, in Help. Various games stopped working and i have no idea how to diagnose the issues
    @ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

    Can you pinpoint what you did to your system before? Did you do a system update? Did you move game files around? Did you add any repositories trying to install something that also updated other dependencies, or alike?

    dynamo,

    At most i updated my system and kernel, didn’t fiddle with anything else

    ad_on_is,
    @ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not familiar with mint, but maybe you can see whether you can easily downgrade to the previous version you had. And hold off on the updates until a fix is published for the broken stuff.

    But before that, take a look at the mint communities and see whether it’s a known issue and whether there is a manual intervention needed to fix it. Something like “newest update broke some proton games”, etc.

    Presi300, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article
    @Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

    Wayland on intel is the same as it is on AMD, and has been for years now… I don’t really get why they would say that it’s broken…

    thayer, (edited ) in An Untold History of Thunderbird

    Looking so forward to seeing K-9 Mail incorporate even more modern features (snooze!) and take on the new branding. It has already come a long way these past couple of years, and made my degoogling journey much easier. Would love to see an Android-based calendaring equivalent too. Shout out to cketti for all his hard work!

    beejjorgensen,
    @beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I’ve been using TB and K9 for about a year now. Not even wanting to look back.

    dan,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    I love FairEmail but I’ve been giving K-9 a try over the last few days and it’s definitely a lot better than it was a few years ago.

    TCB13, in wayland is biased towards gnome
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Wayland xdg-shell Protocol is tailored only for GNOME needs.

    What why is this a problem at all? For what’s worth GNOME is the only actually half designed and half usable thing out there. Yes they could add desktop icons and drop the “go into activities after boot” bullshit but how well, they’ve 1M€ in funding to reinvent the DE in all the unnecessary ways possible.

    (And this comment is how you offend both the GNOME fans and haters at the same time. Probably also anyone else who cares about having alternatives.)

    signor, in Help. Various games stopped working and i have no idea how to diagnose the issues

    Have you rebooted your system or tried selecting a previous kernel version upon boot to see if the problem remains?

    dynamo,

    GZDoom and Orcs Must Die 1 work now, everything else still the same

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