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anothermember, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

OpenSUSE, it’s what I’d be using if Fedora didn’t exist.

qyron, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

Tiny Core OS, because I want a super light distro to run from memory when trying to access computers where the data is still there but something went sour with the OS

throwawayish, (edited ) in Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?

While I get why distrochooser.de is romanticized, in its current iteration it’s simply not very good and anyone that is somewhat well-versed in how different distros operate and how Distrochooser works, will tell you the same. At best, it provides some orientation into what some of the more common distros are. But it fails to answer some fundamental questions in the process; like:

  • What is the relation between a distro and its derivative and (more importantly) how does that matter to a user?
  • How exactly does a distribution’s chosen release model affect software and updates? And while we’re into that, what’s even the difference between the “stable” used when talking about point release distros that opt to freeze packages over longer periods of time vs the “stable” that’s brought up in conversations regarding update concerns and how they might break software (I’m honestly not even sure if the one(s) responsible for writing the parts of Distrochooser even know(s) themselves)^[1]^.

There are a lot of other fundamental questions that are involved in the decision for picking a distro that would have made a lot more sense than the ones found on Distrochooser. E.g. Do you use an Nvidia GPU and want this to cause no issues in the process of installation and is this your biggest concern? If yes: then just use Pop!_OS. Otherwise, move on to the other questions etc. I think the fact that a flowchart isn’t used for some uses and that ultimately priorities aren’t brought up to finalize the decision are the two biggest issues that Distrochooser has in its current iteration.

And we haven’t even gone over the many distros that despite having little to no user base are still included in the results, while (more recent) are clearly left out for reasons most likely related to the maintainers not being able to keep up with the Linux landscape. Which, to be fair, is quite hard; so I don’t blame them. I, in fact, applaud them for their continued contributions and hope that some day it will become something that we can proudly present to others for their first orientation.

Allow me to end this with a question to OP:

  • Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?^[2]^
    • If yes; Why didn’t you make a similar post for either of the two instead?
    • If no; Why not?

  1. Sure, there is some overlap in what they mean and how they’re used, but it’s a very important distinction; otherwise openSUSE’s stable rolling release designation for their Tumbleweed wouldn’t make any sense.
  2. If anything, I think these two actually make more sense to be included.
onlinepersona,

IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser

I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.

Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?

Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:

  • narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)
  • if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea

DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?

I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.

Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store.
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.

  1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser
  2. test them --> DistroSea
  3. more questions --> right here

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TheMadnessKing, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux?

Just FYI, you could also switch to Windows 10 IoT LTSC for longer support (2029 IG)

lipilee, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

I’m really happy with Manjaro. I thought it would be a detour from Debian on my laptop, but I’ve been running it for like 2 years now.

zelifcam, (edited ) in Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?
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I know this is coming from a good place, but I have to be honest. That tool is not great. Even if it was, people will not use it.

Have you seen the Reddit Linux communities? People don’t care how many tools or useful information you present them. They will ask the SAME “which distro” questions day after day after day.

You could force a user to sign an agreement stating they have already checked the provided resources and previous comments about distro’s before every post… and they’d still be like “which distro?” Oh and they’ll want to be sure it’s “optimized” /s.

Then they come here talking about how it’s “illegal” to ask questions on Reddit. Totally missing the point that the subreddits we once loved are now mostly just posts that could be confused for a Google query.

onlinepersona,

That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.

It’s a soft response without banning anybody.

Steamymoomilk, in Recommendations

Just installing, gentoo or arch and using them teaches you alot about how your system works

Steamymoomilk, in Distro for a POS

Gentoo, from scratch. No bin-kernal or premade binarys. Just a ungodly long compile time Maybe by day 3 he will have a desktop if hes lucky…

Para_lyzed, in Steam not launching games - no idea what to do

Just to clarify, the error you are seeing in the firmware updater and privacy settings are because your motherboard does not support UEFI, and instead uses legacy BIOS. There is no way to fix that without upgrading your hardware, and it shouldn’t be related to your issue, but it may be an issue for anticheat in certain games.

On an unrelated note, you should really upgrade your motherboard and CPU if you have the chance, as those will be massive bottlenecks to performance. Your GPU is way overpowered for those components, so you aren’t getting the most out of it. But that likely isn’t related to the issue you are currently facing, I just wanted to mention it if you have grievances with the performance of your current computer.

Critical_Insight, (edited )

Yeah upgrading the motherboard, cpu and ram is ahead at some point. I don’t really game that much so haven’t wanted to invest much into that thing. I almost exlusively play DayZ which it barely runs. With the new GPU and by optimizing the settings I get decent visuals with 35 to 60 fps but there’s a ton of room for improvement. I’ve been upgrading it piece by piece starting with an SSD and the new GPU.

Game runs now by the way. I’m not exactly sure what finally did it but I’m suspecting the new steam version and reinstalling the game itself. Huge thanks for the help. Without this community I’d be at a complete loss with this stuff.

Para_lyzed,

Yeah, snap packages have a tendency to break everything, so avoid them like the plague. You should be able to choose what repo you install from in the Ubuntu app store by clicking the dropdown in the top right of the app’s page (which defaults to snap if one is available), and selecting something else. I can’t remember what the options are, but for a native install you’re looking for something like “.deb”, or “Ubuntu repository”, or “apt”, something of the like. You could also install flatpak and set up flathub so you can get apps packaged as flatpaks (which are kind of like snaps, except they actually function and generally work well for most applications). Not sure if you can get flatpak working with the Ubuntu app store, but it works with Gnome software stores for any other distro out of the box (like Fedora and Nobara). Ubuntu is owned by Canonical, who manages snaps, so they have financial motivation to shove them down their user’s throats (which has been met with much dismay by the Linux community).

Snaps and flatpaks are essentially meant to be portable formats that are packaged with all of their dependencies inside their own sandbox so that they function the exact same when installed on different distros. This has great applications for compatibility (you can install the same package on any distro instead of compiling your package for multiple package managers and distros), and security (the sandboxing serves as a layer of isolation from other apps. Flatpak does this pretty well, but snap has tons of problems.

If you’re ever at the point where you want/need to install a new OS, I’d recommend switching away from Ubuntu to avoid the headaches. Linux Mint is a common recommendation if you want to stick to a system that’s similar to Ubuntu (it’s based on Ubuntu), but my personal recommendation is something Fedora-based like Fedora Workstation or Nobara. You can find tons of info in this community on what different distros are like, and you’ll see that there is no one “best” distro.

If you ever run into any other problems though, this is a great place to ask for help. One of the many great things about Linux is that much of the community is very knowledgeable about how to do/fix practically anything; and many of those people are just happy to help someone so they can enjoy their switch to Linux. There’s also AskUbuntu, the Arch Wiki, Fedora forums, etc. that are available for whichever distro they are tailored to.

tiny, in I'm so frustrated rn.

Most operating systems mostly work find something that has a release cadence you like and is close to what you want then you will have to customize it to fit your needs

pixelprimer, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux?

Linux Mint

theredbit, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux?

Linux Mint is definitely the right choice here in my opinion. I installed it for my parent’s on their older laptop when they were having issues running windows. They were blown away by how fast it was and how they could do all of their usual tasks (i.e browsing, financing, basic games, etc.). It will be a great first experience for you!

avidamoeba, (edited ) in Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?
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Let’s not. It’s not a good tool.

onlinepersona,

Why not?

atzanteol, in Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?

At first I was with this but the first set of questions is so stupid that I can’t see that being a good idea.

Somebody just code up a bot that picks a random mainstream distro everytime somebody asks “what distro should I use?”

Panda, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux?

I’d recommend POP!_OS. Very easy to install and use and most games I’ve tried to play work without any problems.

CrabAndBroom,

The only thing I would maybe hesitate about with POP! OS is the big upcoming switch to the COSMIC desktop, which is is brand-new and a bit untested. But also System76 are a really solid company and seem to know what they’re doing so it’ll probably be fine.

illusoryMechanist,

This, especially if you have NVIDIA.

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