Yes and they implement EVERYTHING in house. In case you havenāt heard they also started implementing a browser engine from scratch ladybird.dev just for fun. It kinda took off and they even got some nice donations, just to keep it going and see where it leads.
The āfoundersā youtube channel is quit interesting. Especially the monthly update videos if you want to keep up to date with the latest developments. inv.tux.pizza/channel/UC3ts8coMP645hZw9JSD3pqQ
The browser was at first only available in serentyOS itself but lately is available as a stand alone program running on other OSs as well. Itās still pretty early days, I am exited to see where all this leads tho!
Itās a work in progress. Most sites wonāt work but some do. Check out this latest development update video: inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=giq5iXJntgQ&t=911 That link leads directly to the ādemo segmentā where he opens some sites.
First, Fedora is not Red Hat but their own community. (Although heavily sponsored by Red Hat) Second, Red Hat is FOSS.
The ones hostile to FOSS are all the freeloading companies, which used the work of Red Hat to increase their own profit, w/o contributing anything back.
If it is so easy, cheap and so much fun to support a stable Distribution for 10 years with backports for security vulnerabilities and drivers, I am very surprised that we donāt have hundreads of community distributions which do this.
Finally, over the years Red Hat contributed a load of the things we take for granted now.
(Writing this as a happy Debian user. I am just tired of reading this kind of bullshit again and again and again.)
Iām with you on this. Iāve been using openSUSE since it was SuSE Linux, and I still here bs on occasion about how they sold out open-source to MS. Iām not a huge fan of what Novell did back in the day, although it did end up costing MS more money. That said the opensuse community is not whichever corporation owns SLE currently, and they still contribute back to the community.
Thanks! And I totally agree with you: We donāt have to defend or like what the corporations/companies do, most of their moves I donāt like. OTOH Linux would not be anywhere w/o their investment. (Sad look over to the *BSDs, Haiku and ReactOS.)
There is so much crazy good and innovative output from the communities around Fedora and openSUSE (I like what is happening with Aeon right now, very cool and innovative)ā¦ so IMHO it should be the default for every FOSS user to project the communities which produce great products free of charge from bullshiters. :-)
This is why I hate Linux fanatics. They think everything that isnāt Foss is malware or something. Iāve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now. Like it or not is amazing, and with 39 itās even smother. Never had any problems, works perfect with Gnome and nothing has ever broken. Even games play just like in windows with a bit of tweaking in proton. You should maybe try things first and not be so paranoid about Red Hat. Itās a company just like many others. You think Arch or Mint wouldnāt become just like Red Hat if they had the userās numbers? This world is all about money, so stop complaining and just let people enjoy
Iāve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now.
Iām not gonna suggest to you to switch distros or whatever. But most of the modern feeling you are seeing is just the DE, which you can use whichever one with whatever distro. As far as Fedoraās own stack the centerpiece which is the package manager is actually really slow comparing with anything else.
You think Arch or Mint wouldnāt become just like Red Hat if they had the userās numbers?
Yeah. They wouldnāt. I think they actually already do have higher number of users than fedora actually. If they donāt, then Debian surely does.
Red Hat is a for profit company, and their first goal will always be that even if that means squeezing you and making the experience worse for you.
Community distros are explicitly about the community and not about profit, and it works quite well.
Red Hatās business is mostly in servers and service to host for companies. Fedora is a side project at most. Thatās why I find it funny that people think Red Hat is going to destroy Linux or something. My point was that companies want to make money, and if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put itās hands on it.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you canāt deny itās probably the best implementation of it in any distro. I tried KDE and wasnāt for me. I got used to gnomeās workflow real quick, I have trouble using Windows even. And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie. Idk, I guess all this drama with Fedora is just pointless to me
if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put itās hands on it.
Not how it works. And more so in general if youāre interested and curious do some reading on copyleft licenses. Itās truly a marvelous thing and they work quite well at keeping projects open.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you canāt deny itās probably the best implementation of it in any distro.
I absolutely can, what. Itās about the same as all other distros that donāt add much or at all to the upstream version.
And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie.
If you are interested in trying it some time, once youāre in the installer type āarchinstallā. Itās a default installation script that makes it easy to install. There isnāt nearly as much upkeep as the memes would suggest.
I tried archinstall. Itās still not easy, specially if you are not very well versed in os installs. As long as Fedora works it will be fine for me.
In any case, whatever you install will be better than Microsoftās Windows, now thats a predatory company! Iāll never go back to Windows. And maybe in the future I will try my luck with another distro
Fedora IS the most modern distro. First to adopt pipewire, systemd, enables flatpaks by default and btrfs. Probably other things I donāt know. Being first is one of their core goals
Afaik, Fedora is a free software. I donāt deny that, and Iām a free software fan. I donāt have any problems with fedora besides that it is too heavy for me.
It looks you also care about your freedom because you use gnu/linux and lemmy. However, it seems you have a different meaning of malware.
Softwere is a recipe. Any unwanted step is malicious. You can only determine a step as unwanted by seeing its source code.
Besides this, a softwere can have other functions that are not coming from the code but the license. Similarly they can be malfunctions. For example preventing you from modification.
So yes, propriatory software is malware. I use some malwares also, because they have no alternatives yet. But let me call them malwares.
Copyright is the example of capitalism polluting water to be able to sell clean water to people.
Youāre not wrong. But you are talking about the extreme who wonāt use anything non-FOSS. In general, it is fair to say that all proprietary software is malware.
No one is allowed to change and fix it but the developer, thus you are harmed by being dependent on the will and motivations of the dev. Increasing dependence is always malus
I don't know about the creators of this project, but in general: So that they can use the stuff in their closed source applications while finding enough contributors to write software for them for free.
After reading your link, they can absolutely be used interchangably in a comparison with copyleft licenses. Your own link says that they are very similar.
For some software, where EEE tactics arenāt a concern, but corporate adoption matters, these licenses make perfect sense. However. thatās not the case here: an OS is a prime target for EEE.
Because I like the 2-clause BSD license. I am not a fan of ācopyleftā or forcing obligations on people in general. I want my software to be available for anyone who wants to use it.
He missed the entire point of copyleft which is a bit disappointing.
All well, at least it is libre. I respect his choice in the end as pressuring or forcing someone to use a copy left license us just as bad as proprietary software
The GPL is a better choice if you want to make money from the software. With a pushover license, your competitors can extend the program and profit from it in a way you canāt because they arenāt required to give the changes back. The GPL evens the playing field. Of course, you often see the original company requiring a CLA so they retain copyright over all of the code.
On the other hand, it does enable possibilities that you would be very unlikely to get otherwise. For example, Cedega (formerly WineX) forked Wine when it used a pushover license and brokered deals with game companies to make the DRM compatible with WineX/Cedega. That meant you could play these games on Linux-based OSes with Cedega, but not Wine. I really wonder if it would have been possible to make Wine compatible with some of these DRM schemes otherwise. Consequently, however, Cedega could not incorporate any changes from LGPLād Wine, as that would have required them to license Cedega under the LGPL, too.
Thatās another issue. You can incorporate MIT-licensed software in GPL software, but you canāt incorporate GPL software in MIT-licensed software. So going with the GPL gives you more options. As SerenityOS is building everything from scratch, this isnāt an issue, but you can well see how it could be. The LGPL is far less disruptive to people who want to release their software under a pushover license. It only requires you give back any changes to the LGPL-licensed part, and does not cover other parts of your program. Personally, I really like the LGPL. It levels the playing field while being quite compatible. Itās not perfect either, of course.
Itās a tricky question, and there are no right answers. Ultimately, the decision is up to the developer and I canāt fault any choice, including the decision to use a proprietary license.
I personally wonāt use any proprietary software and I especially wonāt use any DRM. The purpose of the GPL isnāt to force companies to pay up to get out of copy left. The purpose is to keep the code free no matter what so that people can control there own computing
Thatās also my preference, but very few games are free software. And most of the games I want to play are encumbered with DRM or cost ten times as much to get DRM-free. Of course, I buy them DRM-free because the DRM doesnāt work with Wine, but if it worked with Cedegaā¦well, I might re-evaluate.
The purpose of the GPL isnāt to force companies to pay up to get out of copy left.
Thatās why it was created, but in practice, many companies make money by selling exceptions. See Cal.com and CKEditor5, for instance. I didnāt mention this at all in my comment, though, so Iām not quite sure which part youāre responding to. By ālevel playing fieldā, I meant that everyone can improve Sourcehut and sell a service with more features, but they need to release those new features under the same license, meaning they will make it back to Sourcehut proper. Selling exceptions isnāt the only way to make money from free software.
I was just trying to boot it up on bare metal yesterday, on an AMD Phenom II machine but Kernel Panicād on not finding a device to boot from, which was a bit puzzling. Unfortunately had no time to investigate, but I wonāt give up, I make it boot somehow on that PC.
Thereās nothing like that is enabled AFAIK, I"m not even sure this board has UEFI (only Legacy BIOS). Itās an Acer Veriton M421G brand PC, with a Phenom II X4 945 CPU.
Not even sure itās compatible with the OS, but this boot device issue was strange, tho. (had the same problem booting up a partition manager software from floppy that is based on Visopsys)
But will double check everything. Thanks for the tip!
I dd-ed the image straight to the HDD. grub started and booted off from it. lots of messages of PCI devices, I guess some kind of scan. after a while the screen went white, and a bit later the logs of the kernel panic appeared at the top, with the message it couldāt find a device to boot from.
so, it seems that the kernel itself didnāt see the hdd it just booted from - standard IDE PATA disk, 120GB. Used dd from a gparted live disc.
First, I resized the partition on the disk to the full, at the next try I left it, as-is.
Both times the same result; the BIOS boots into Serenity, white screen, then kernel panic, couldnāt find a device to boot from.
Thing is, there are 2 DVD drives (IDE and SATA) and a floppy drive attached to the PC, dunno if they can cause any problem. And 1GB memory.
this was yesterday, and since then I havenāt got tieme to fiddle with it, but will. :)
At the weekend Iāll have some time to fiddle with it.
I think Iāll try to boot Serenity first from USB, check if it wants to boot at all. Maybe Iāll got an Arduino to use as serial monitor to check the log.
Then move on to flashing the grub image to the HDD, again, with a different IDE drive. if thst doesnāt work, Iāll find a SATA HDD and flash that.
I really wanna see this OS boot on real hardware. Then take a good lookaround and develop or port something for it :)
you might want to maybe try a different distro image to verify, maybe a simple kernel with a net image or something.
This part actually makes me wonderā¦ Do you think SerenityOS uses the Linux kernel? Because it does not, itās its own completely separate thing. And the hardware support for anything other than the standard emulated machine is very iffy, so it doesnāt seem too surprising that it would get tripped up by something on an old computer.
If anything went wrong with its USB stack for example, the kernel would have no way to find the root filesystem thatās stored on a USB drive.
I kinda getcha. Design-wise, you could get a very close copy (but I donāt think 1:1. Never tried it tbf), but if we take the workflow into account, yeah it wonāt be 100% the same (also, QT apps can be a turnoff depending on the person)
I recently moved to Fedora and tried gnome first. Absolutely no thanks. I just canāt get down with it, and I had numerous issues in just a few days. KDE spin has been pretty painless.
If you donāt mind me asking, was it because of the vanilla look, the customization being based on extensions (which may or may be updated for a while when a new version releasesāif at all), or was it the Gnome philosophy of āOne Window per workspaceā?
Just curious really, Iām more of an XFCE and KDE user myself, and i can see the appeal of Gnome (and Iām NGL, it looks nice IMHO), but yeahā¦not a big fan of extensions breaking every version update and the āthrow unused Windows in a new workspaceā thing
I donāt mind the workspaces idea, but Iām just so used to a windows-like philosophy that I just canāt adjust easy.
If I had one monitor, maybe gnome would be better. Workspaces could organize myself better. But I have 3, and almost never use other workspaces in KDE. And my mint XFCE laptop isnāt a big work machine so it doesnāt matter much.
Also I had technical issues on gnome that didnāt happen on KDE.
My first distro was pop, and their version of gnome I do like. But Iām not willing to customize it enough to suit myself. Iām more of a āstock experience with small modsā kinda dude. I do enjoy Unix porn but donāt have desire to do it myself. Thatās kinda why Iām not a massive fan of xfce. The default layout is really bad.
Ditto. Iāve just never found the use for workspaces myself (like, i understand why theyāre there but they never really worked for me). I tried them, didnāt like the flow of it, so i just ignored them (and Gnome for the most part, save Pop_OS, but Iāve a love/hate relationship with it cuz itās always caused me problems when i try it out. Hopefully the Cosmic Desktop theyāre making will run better on my systems) in favor of the windows philosophy myself
Agreed on Vanilla/stock XFCE being rough (and i love XFCE), and vanilla Gnome being divisive, but iām the opposite of you and love to tinker with my stuffāeven KDE, which lools good OOTB i canāt just leave it alone lol
I have the complete opposite experience. Iāve never had a good fedora kde install. It always had issues out of nowhere. Iāve hopped so much until I settled on endeavourOS for over a year now. Beautiful distro
Could be. To be fair to fedora kde, Iāve only tried it on a laptop that has hybrid graphics Intel/Nvidia. I now have a desktop PC that is all AMD, but I built it with EndeavourOS and never anything else.
I use Plasma for a bit but instability, odd bugs, or visual inconsistency just becomes too much for me.
Gnome was a pain for a couple of weeks when I kept trying to use it like a Windows PC, but once the Gnome workflow āclickedā it just made so much more sense than the Win95 UX paradigm.
And itās particularly annoying when kwin crashes, because it takes everything else down with it (thatās getting fixed in Plasma 6 though!) For me thatās an absolute show-stopper. I donāt want to lose hours of work across multiple programs because something caused kwin to crash.
5.27 is better to a ridiculous degree compared to how Plasma 4 and early Plasma 5 was, though. KDE is doing a lot of work to put the meme of their software being a buggy mess to bed.
The limited benchmarks Iāve seen put the new X Elite at slightly less efficient than the M2 Pro (let alone M3 Pro). It only gets marginally higher scores when operating at 3x the wattage.
Also, letās not imagine even for a second that notoriously terrible ARM are going to make it easy to support this chip, especially not in the long term.
It was October 2018 and I had just completed a 3-month rehab program at a state addiction clinic in Sweden. I was unemployed, staying with family, and had basically nothing going on.
With no drugs or other vices to pass the time, the days seemed impossibly long. I struggled to find activities to fill them. I enrolled in school for a while, but it wasnāt for me this time either. Eventually I turned to programming, since itās always been my big interest in life.
Until that point, my career had been focused on web browsers (WebKit at Apple & Nokia). However, I had always been interested in low-level things so I began tinkering with some of that. I wrote a little ELF executable parserā¦ And an Ext2 filesystem browserā¦ And a little GUI framework with an event loopā¦
Out of this tinkering, an operating system began to take shape. I chose the name SerenityOS because I wanted to always remember the Serenity Prayer. I was quite worried about my future at the time, and I figured that this name would help me stay on the good path.
My general idea was to build my own dream system for daily use. It would be a combination of my two favorite computing paradigms: the 1990s GUI and the no-nonsense command-line of late-2000s Unix.
I updated from Fedora 38 yesterday, and my Asus ROG Zephyrus G15 is working even better than before. The tool for controlling the discreet graphics card is working flawlessly now, unlike before. I would strongly recommend upgrading.
Iām talking about asusctl, supergfxclt, and rog-control-center which is a GUI front end for the previous two items. You can find lots of info and guides on it here.
I actually installed 39 fresh on a asus gaming laptop and while before I had issues with multiple drivers not working correctly, this time it was incredibly painless and I havenāt has any issues with it.
I bought a System76 Darter a few months ago, it had problems with the screen brightness controls and external displays on Pop_OS. Installing 39 has been a breeze with everythibg just working so far.
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