Yuion, And then I have to install a windows vm to be able to play all my games properly. And the practical benefit of switching is basically zero for the normal user
AMillionNames, VM adds too much overhead for anything near modern, even if modern VM integration does add GPU drivers that act as a bridge for 3D acceleration. But SteamOS and Steamdeck are great examples of how far gaming has come in Linux, it’s no longer something just on the fringe.
I sort of do agree with your last comment. I tried to introduce several family members, and their take was basically that, why bother with something that seemed as unfamiliar as Linux for something they were already used to using. And if you try to use it at work, you are going to have to end up installing a Windows VM most of the time for most jobs. Monopolies be like that.
RandoCalrandian, I switched my gaming pc to Linux over a year ago, never looked back and haven’t needed to
And I’ve never used a VM to game, either
antik, In a VM you can not really use your GPU so that’s not the way to go about it. So no, you seem uninformed
Rooki, You never heard of wine? or proton (THAT STEAM MADE especially for their linux handheld device )?
MazonnaCara89, And you forgot to say that their linux handheld is made with gaming in mind
RandoCalrandian, I game on a linux mint desktop using proton all the time. The work they’ve done for the steam deck translates almost perfectly to every other Linux distro I’ve tried it on
Rooki, Yep and i bought one lately ;D Still have to wait until it arrives ;D
EmperorHenry, I like QubesOS better.
HurlingDurling, Currently, dual booting Fedora and Windows 11 on my Asus gaming laptop, and I love Fedora, but it’s still not full sailing. Every other boot the wifi card doesn’t register and I have to reboot, others the OS freezes even though Grub doesn’t but nothing actually opens or closes, and lastly if the laptop is on battery and goes into hibernation, waking it up takes around 5-10 minutes. To add that gaming is still not as smooth as it is with windows, and I still have a use for Windows pOS.
1984, Have you tried another distro like Pop OS?
teamevil, I’m using Pop OS on a couple devices and I like it, but it also gets temporary hung up frequently. It’s irritating when I’m only doing one thing.
1984, Yeah it depends a lot on the hardware. I have one laptop with Linux that is wonky sometimes because it has Nvidia graphics. But my stationary with amd is awesome, always works 100%.
HurlingDurling, Unfortunately, the drivers aren’t available as easily with other distros. The main issue is that my laptop is an ASUS laptop, awesome laptop most of the time, but it’s not easily supported by Linux
EvokerKing, That isn’t a problem with Linux, as much as I hate it. It’s a problem with Asus, which I hate more. Asus is known for having many unfixable bugs on everything they have similar to these but even this isn’t as severe as most people get where their audio will go out for days on end.
Nahdahar, I’ve tried Fedora 3 times years apart in my life and never had a good experience. The longest time I used a distro was with Elementary OS and Zorin OS, the latter of which I’m currently on.
localhost443, Been running Linux as primary is for 10-15 years now, used to distro hop a lot, often just because. Life is too busy for that now but I last installed fedora (KDE, I always run KDE out of preference) about 5 years ago and I’m really impressed. The system is very current but its always remained stable for me and upgrading from version to version is smoother than normal security patches on win 10 which I still run for CAD.
Are you all up to date? Tbh I do agree with the other post, ASUS have terrible QA and don’t care.
psud, Framework sell laptops with Linux
AMillionNames, I used to use Linux exclusively, but I eventually gave in to the appeal of Windows. I’m just too into gaming, even with all the advancements Steam and Proton are bringing into Linux. The main difference I’ve had is which OS type hosts which OS type.
Promethilaus, I managed to get it to work for me with a bit of tinkering
aldalire, Which specific game do you play that made you switch?
AMillionNames, It’s not a specific one, it’s about not having to worry about which one are in the ProtonDB list and how it actually performs and can be configured. I just lose less out of having Linux in a VM for what I use it for, and have less surprises running the games on the system they are marketing and testing for.
01adrianrdgz, I love KDE a lot but if I’m honest, I dislike that they posted that… That wasn’t kind of them and it was rude to Microsoft!!! I wouldn’t insult them (“ditch Windows for good”), well, Microsoft has been using and including Linux too!! So both should be fine and friends.
cognitive, Nothing they said was incorrect. All of it is true. It helps common people to understand there are alternatives to Windows.
Quintus, I suggest you look up “Microsoft Halloween Documents”. They DO NOT see Linux as their friend.
m3t00, working from home has loosened ms grip on corporate desktop counts. some brilliant bean counter will save them a ton of money after they write off the downtown office space and offer everyone the cost of a micrsoft seat license. I’d guess it’s around $100/seat but I’ve been out many years. The shitty companies will just pocket the savings.
AlexWIWA, Because I need Windows to run old C&C games. Get Generals world builder working on Linux and I’ll delete my dual boot
the_q, Imagine keeping an entire system set aside for one application. You do you, bud.
AlexWIWA, I don’t think you understand how zealous C&C fans are. Some of us have entire XP machines with CRT monitors just to play the game in its purest form. We’re about as culty as Linux.
But it’s also not just one program, it’s all the c&c games, their map editors, mod loaders, and any modding tools. World builder is just an example.
the_q, Fair enough.
AlexWIWA, The simple solution here is to just move on and play a game that isn’t old enough to drink, lol.
TangledHyphae, Does it not run in a virtual machine very well or at all?
AlexWIWA, It can but it’s already a headache to get the tools running, and adding in the VM layer can add more headaches.
Usually the compatibility patches make the games work in the VM, but the map editors and modding tools had a lot of issues last time I tried.
The tooling around those games was incredibly barbones so there are probably a lot of hacks going on that the VM wasn’t properly stimulating.
psud, I have a 286 running DOS 6 for when I’m feeling especially nostalgic
AlexWIWA, I really need to get a Windows 98 PC for the same reason
randomivysaur, I’d like to introduce you to Qubes OS then :P
AMillionNames, You can already get it working under Linux, running a Windows VM. I remember doing that for Homeworld, it’s basically the emulator approach. A VM is ok if it isn’t too demanding graphically.
AlexWIWA, Yeah the issue is the tools. They’re what I have a hard time with in the VMs. I have no idea why
corsicanguppy, Based
I can’t wait until community ADHD picks another inscrutable word to mutter arbitrarily and signal clique membership.
ikidd, What weirds me out is that this was a Maga/redpill thing to start with.
tricoro, I remember it first from twitch, many years ago.
zwekihoyy, that’s the joke
smileyhead, Better teach yourself what ADHD is if you ever want to get out of your basement.
psud, (edited ) I like the word, it fits well with biased which is approximately opposite
My least favourite new word is ‘doom scrolling’ which is now used to mean “scrolling internet feeds mindlessly” where it originally meant “constantly refreshing the internet feed in the hope the result of the American presidential election will change”
I’d be happy if it was used in another doomy context
yoz, What’s plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers
captain_aggravated, Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.
Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.
KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as “KDE” by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.
KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.
yoz, Thanks for the explanation. Really appreciate it.
Acters, an linux operating system made by the KDE team
Blackmist, Since when has KDE been an OS?
IlliteratiDomine, Plasma isn’t a KDE OS, but Neon is.
dangblingus, Literally according to KDE’s own tweet (whatever they call tweets on mastodon) which is the subject of this thread.
1984, (edited ) Things are more interesting in the Linux world. Plasma is just a user interface, a desktop environment. The actual operating system is Linux. And we have so many choices for how we want our desktop environment on Linux, but Plasma is the most advanced one.
Acters, I said its a linux operating system, and the whole installation from Desktop environment to the compiled kernel and preinstalled executables was carefully made by the KDE team. They literally said Operating system on their mastodon post, “toot,” this lemmy post shows. So its correct what I said
allywilson, raises pendantic finger Ah-hem, sorry, but KDE Plasma isn’t an OS. It’s a desktop environment. For an OS bundled/built-around Plasma then Kubuntu or KDE Neon are both Linux distributions that would better fit that description.
glasgitarrewelt, We could call it Plasma/Linux or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Plasma plus Linux.
JuxtaposedJaguar, Thank you for interjecting.
Acters, (edited ) KDE’s plasma centered Linux Operating system. So to not be overly pedantic, I stuck with what this lemmy post was about. I didn’t say the plasma desktop environment was an OS.
I said “a linux operating system made by the KDE team” in which the KDE team referenced their OS as Plasma in the Mastodon post, or “toot,” shown in this lemmy post.
psud, (edited ) Or a GNU operating system with a Linux kernel and KDE desktop environment
But that’s a mouthful
frostinger, (edited ) deleted_by_author
DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) No wonder lemmy user base Is dropping with holier than comments like this. Let me guess, you use arch too?
frostinger, (edited ) Oh sure, defending people who aren’t even willing to read the text of the post while also attacking the one who complains about that circumstance is better, right?
Dracula_on_a_bike, Well, although usually it’s a good idea to read the original post first, in this instance the original post is at best misleading because it refers to Plasma as an “operating system” rather than a desktop environment.
(Or for those who want to use even more precise terminology: its full name is either “Plasma Desktop” or “KDE Plasma Desktop”, because KDE also has some non-desktop environments such as Plasma Mobile and Plasma Bigscreen… none of which are as popular as Plasma Desktop, though, so usually Plasma Desktop is colloquially called just “Plasma”.)
frostinger, I never said anything regarding the truth of the original posts claim; it’s just irritating when people start asking questions without even reading what was initially written.
daed, Whoosh
frostinger, (edited ) woof woof
Kuhelika, It’s a desktop environment for linux operating systems. Desktop environments pretty much dictate how a pc looks. KDE Plasma,Mate, Gnome, Cinnamon etc are some famous desktop environments
smileyhead, KDE Plasma is an desktop environment.
The kind of thing you interact outside of installed app/programs. Like the panels, window decorations (titles, close buttom, maximalize button), the way windows float and behave, system settings, etc.
Unix systems (like Linux) are very modular and you can install different desktop environments if you want. And even within those desktops are modules, like you can install different “start menu” or file manager on KDE Plasma.
derpgon, Do Android next!
nanders, Try LineageOS
derpgon, I’d prefer a solution out of the box. I am well aware of alternative OSes.
aberrate_junior_beatnik, murena.com (no affiliation, do not own one)
derpgon, Just skimming through the website, I noticed they use their own Drive solution. Quickly glancing at the images, and it seemed oddly familiar.
And holy shit it they use the exact same setup I set up at work - NextCloud with OnlyOffice integration.
This seems nice.
SGHFan, And you can’t get de-crufted Win11 outside Europe! Another win for Plasma!
psud, You can, but it takes a little effort
micnd90,
Synthead, To be fair, forcing a bunch of software on the machine users own was never a good move, and in my opinion, not a new normal.
interceder270, It was a good move when people had no idea what they were doing and needed defaults to get started.
Synthead, You mean the defaults that were against anti trust laws?
Pantherina, Plasma is not a system, but I see how they didnt want to confuse people here
oce, It is a desktop environment system.
Iapar, But no operating system
oce,
RuikkaaPrus, Fully based
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