Franzia,

Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.

mrcleanup,

Yeah, but that old technology is what still lets me run a 13 year old version of Adobe creative suite. If that ever changes I will have to learn something new!

Franzia,

We will perhaps never beat adobe but nowadays there are some amazing tools!

… Which are developed for windows as well. Haha.

allywilson,

This is kinda how I feel about Windows these days. It’s interface, directory structure, shudder the registry, user specific apps (from MS Store or Winget), buttons being inserted into the menu bars on some apps, but not others, button sizes being different sizes, some parts still using the Metro interface. The whole thing either needs a re-write, or should be dropped and something new to replace it. Don’t even get me started on things like the eventvwr hanging for 20 seconds after it opens, event tracer API, their in-house abandonment of powershell modules once powershell was open sourced, Windows containers being a disaster, etc.

teatowel,

The problem is that so much critical infrastructure around the world relies on ancient Windows software. I’m pretty sure their backwards compatibility is one of the reasons there’s so much inconsistency in Windows, and every iteration seems to just add more bloat on top.

allywilson,

They hired the man behind systemd (controversial, I know, but he does have a vision). I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.

AntEater,
@AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.

I hate Windows and would love to see ruined too.

psud,

There was a TCP/IP bug that shared it’s exploit on versions of windows from windows for workgroups 3.11 (which you ran from the DOS prompt by typing ‘win’) through to windows 7 (which was the new hotness at the time)

That’s a bug conserved from the very first Microsoft implementation of TCP/IP through to the state of the art at the time

People were surprised at the time that it wasn’t a windows NT bug

allywilson,

That’s surprising, as I think the first Windows TCP/IP stack was ported over from BSD by Spider Systems (pretty sure that’s why it still has things like “/etc/hosts” - albeit under System32). Wonder if the bug was in BSD and never backported (cross ported?).

jayandp,

What’s the current reliable KDE Distro? I’ve been rolling with Kububtu for a while now, but Ubuntu’s Snap mandate has been getting annoying.

RePierre,

I would recommend the KDE spin of Fedora.

Franzia,

Second but I use Nobara with KDE.

h_a_r_u_k_i,
@h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev avatar

Second. Up-to-date packages and stable at the same time.

pewpew,
@pewpew@feddit.it avatar

I’m using Kubuntu as my main OS and it has been very stable for me. You can remove snapd and install the deb Firefox repository. You should look up tutorials on how to do it, I did it and nothing broke

macgyver,
@macgyver@federation.red avatar

Endeavour switched to KDE as their main DE

kariboka,

I use it in Garuda. No complains.

phoenixz,

I for one hope to move from kubuntu to debian with KDE, I assume that won’t have snap shit or systemd shit, but I might be painfully mistaken right there, I haven’t checked it out yet.

mellejwz,

Debian does use systemd, but what’s so bad about it? I’m just curious, I’m using Arch with KDE, and that also uses systemd. Never had any issues with it. Debian doesn’t use snap by default though.

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

MX does not use systemd by default

floofloof, (edited )

I have been enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s a rolling distro unlike the Ubuntu and Debian derivatives, but the updates hardly ever cause problems and it’s very easy to roll them back if they do. It also gives you a choice between X11 and Wayland, and Wayland is working well for me on Intel graphics.

Toribor,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

I jumped into Tumbleweed recently and have really been liking it. Last time I used Linux with a desktop environment I was using Gnome and KDE was a lot unglier. Things have definitely changed.

LucidDaemon,

Fedoras flavor with KDE. Fedora never caused an issue for me.

bour,
@bour@lemmy.ml avatar

Debian or MX.

schnurrito,

Most likely the best distro for KDE is KDE neon, but that doesn’t mean that much.

I use it on Debian testing and am very satisfied with it, KDE has never been so stable.

Fredol, (edited )

Tumbleweed is pretty much the “official” kde distro

maeries,

Not KDE Neon?

kirk782,
@kirk782@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

KDE Neon gets the latest package updates regarding KDE first but it is not official in any sense, as listed on their website. In fact, Neon is just a package archive built on top of Ubuntu that offers more up to date KDE stuff.

I have used the distro as a daily driver in the past. It uses it’s own pkgcon package management system.

HiddenLayer5,
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

Fedora KDE Spin works pretty well

yaygya,

I can confirm. I’ve been running it on my M1 MacBook Pro and it’s quite nice.

KseniyaK,

Natively or in a VM?

yaygya,

Natively. Only major blocker for me using it more often now is speaker support, which is coming soon enough (the M1 Air already has it).

callyral,
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

If you want something Ubuntu-based I’d recommend KDE Neon, last time I tried it, it was great. I don’t think it has snaps since it’s made by KDE.

interceder270,

Manjaro is pretty good.

frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

Bel nick 10/10

MazonnaCara89,
@MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml avatar

Grazie brother ❤️

kshade,
@kshade@lemmy.world avatar

KDE nerds: Is there a way to get a normal app launch indicator (cursor with a loading icon/hourglass) instead of either nothing or the little hopping icons that don’t animate right?

CalicoJack,

I don’t know about an hourglass specifically, but there are some options. Should be in system settings, applications, launch feedback and/or busy cursor.

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

System Settings → Appearance → Cursor Theme → Configure Launch Feedback

kshade,
@kshade@lemmy.world avatar

That only has nothing, static (icon), blinking (icon) or bouncing (icon) though. I find anything involving the icon jarring, especially because it keeps lagging behind the cursor. And yes, this is incredibly minor.

tuxed,

Seems to be some cursor themes that do it that way, like this one for example: store.kde.org/p/2103612

westyvw,

I think you mean different. I find the bouncing very normal after all these years. The spinning wheel and hourglass is there but they are used to indicate system waits, rather than launches.

Of course you can shut the bouncing launch off if you dont like it.

Zamundaaa,

No. Some people wanted to change it to that for Plasma 6, but on Xorg there’s apparently no way to make that happen, as the cursor is always decided on by the window you’re hovering over…

kshade,
@kshade@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I see, thank you! Never noticed the cursor changing back when I put it over another window in XFCE, but I also never looked for that. I really just want that brief feedback, especially when I’m using a touchpad.

fury,

Me still trying to figure out how to get it to auto start / auto login on boot on my fresh new Raspberry Pi 5 without locking up at a flashing cursor screen: 😩

psud, (edited )

I haven’t had luck with auto login, as soon as it’s logged in it wants a password to unlock its keyring

I wish installers let you set low local security mode. We don’t all need strong security, some of us are just playing games

glibg10b,

Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests

KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution

I think we have a clear winner here

ultra,

Not to mention free as in freedom.

Anticorp,

Also free as in beer.

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Sadly there’s no beer in it however

psud,

You can look up beer recipes and buy equipment and ingredients from it though. And use web based or spreadsheet calculators on it to do beer related calculations

That beer is also not free, but assuming you make beer for a long time the price per pint (half litre to split the difference between UK and US pints) tends toward about 20c (though highly hopped beers like hazy pale ale can get towards a dollar a pint) which is pretty cheap

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

But not free as in Murica.

psud,

You could get Ubuntu in a free like America style

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

But in America, Freedom isn’t free.

Buck’o’five.

phoenixz,

And anytime you mention that anywhere when somebody is being fucked again by windows, people find you annoying

CaptnNMorgan,

But can it play Starfield with an Nvidia GPU? I originally had popos on my PC until Starfield came out, I had to switch to Windows to play.

glibg10b,
FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

In a nutshell; it works with a lot of tweaks.

Holzkohlen,

I mean Starfield was just terrible optimized for Nvidia at launch and still isn’t ideal no matter what OS you use.

CaptnNMorgan,

I play it on max settings with no problems on windows

desconectado, (edited )

But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can’t run away from those, and don’t tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can’t. This is not linux fault, but it’s still an issue you can’t handwave.

I love linux, but you can’t expect people to adopt it just because it’s objectively better than windows.

aldalire,

List of things to consider

  1. There are alternatives
  2. You can use wine
  3. You can run a windows VM and install it there
  4. Dual boot windows
  5. Microsoft has built a proprietary moat around their operating system. The reason why it’s hard to switch from Windows is by corporate design. A mix of early adoption, network effects, and just plain cold hard cash makes them dominate the operating system market. Of course it’s infeasible for your 60yo coworker to switch; but KDE presents an alternate reality, an opportunity, for people fed up with big tech’s bullshit. Yes, figure out how to run and use alternatives you fucking nut. Way to go disparaging countless volunteer hours spent on open source projects so that people like me can switch to linux.

Comments like these make me irrationally angry. Why complain about open source software and give bad PR? It’s open source; contribute.

desconectado,

Read my other replies. 1 and 2 don’t really work, the performance of using wine, or the alternatives, is just not there, if you do amateur work, maybe that’s fine, but for professional collaborative work, good luck using freecad instead of autocad.

Personally, I use 3 and 4, but you have to understand that the regular user is not going to go through that much hassle to set up a virtual machine.

hyaudreyzane, (edited )
@hyaudreyzane@mastodon.social avatar

@desconectado @glibg10b Wine exists... And that's all I have to say. There is a good installer in lutris for creative cloud that works pretty good if you own it. And if you have a NVIDIA graphics card, it works even better, almost like on windows. It's not 1:1 but we're getting close. For excel you have wine again or a great free alternative is WPS or softmaker if you want to buy it.

desconectado, (edited )

I wish Wine worked well enough to use Excel. We are not talking about adding up numbers in a cell. Once you include macros, or a reference manager in Word, Wine is not good enough. The same can be said about propietary software, like autocad, or software used to control equipment. Also, good luck convincing a regular user to get familiar with wine.

WPS is great for simple files. Again, not good enough for complex files, especially if it is a corporate collaboration environment. I have lost count on the amount of ppt files that didn’t display well when it used WPS.

Every other year I try all the alternatives you mention, hoping they got better, and I always come back to use a dual boot or a virtual machine, which is not a thing your regular user wants to do.

Holzkohlen,

You just gotta make an effort. The one who are too lazy will never be free of Microsoft’s clutches. Which probably just means pretty much everyone will stick to windows.

desconectado,

That’s my point, I use linux as much as I can, but if 80% of your colleagues use Windows… You don’t have much choice.

the_q,

Sounds like you need better colleagues.

desconectado, (edited )

I use linux 50% of my time, I’m not going to ditch my job so I can use it 100%, lol. What kind of advice is that for someone who wants to use linux.

psud,

It depends on your industry. I’m in an agile development team, working in AWS in Java. I’m not a dev, so my work is in spreadsheets, word processor documents, web utilities like Azure Dev Ops

All that is platform independent, though we have to work on the organisation’s computers, so we work in the office on windows PCs or from home on whatever, remoted into a windows machine or VM

The devs work in VMs which are variously windows or GNU/Linux depending on what the person’s previous project was.

the_q,

If you want real change you have to change for real.

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Wine can run most of those, not all. You can still dual boot Windows if you need to (VMs are an option, but they aren’t always the best).

desconectado,

I mean, that’s what I do. Will I be able to convince my 60 yo colleague that had been using the same workflow for decades? No, not a chance.

d3Xt3r,

Are you talking about for work or home usage? And do they have any specific proprietary application/hardware requirements?

desconectado, (edited )

Work use. The are hardware requirements (XRD machines, potentiostats, CNC machining) and software requirements (3D design). My workshop asks for files in Autodesk Inventor, if I send it in any other format, they just won’t fabricate my pieces, and I completely understand, who am I to change the workflow of a complete department just because I refuse to use Inventor (which is provided at work).

gmtom,

But you understand that’s a massive Ballache to deal with on top of your normal workload?

psud,

I haven’t tried running anything new, but the stuff I have run in wine has worked easily, without any tweaking

Opafi,

There are enough web based office instances running for Linux to be functional in that regard.

Photoshop on the other hand…

derpgon,

Photopea is a solid replacement.

psud,

GIMP will be great once it no longer needs to dodge patents

Audio players work great now MP3 is out of patent (before that MP3 was really only available if you were willing to ignore the patent)

dino,

I love linux, but you can’t expect people to adopt it just because it’s objectively better than windows.

Excel o,O

Cannacheques,

Meh I had a dual boot machine ages ago. Still here collecting dust. Basically I only switched to use the Linux for down time, movies, and study, most day to day tasks from engineering software to anything I considered important enough that you do not want the results hacked or broken I would use Windows.

I think of modern machines kind of like a hammer. These days almost nobody actually remembers the guy who made the first hammer, or who discovered fire, but there’s a price tag for the bow, the paper and the hammer, not so much the making of the hammer, because the actual skill involved or required to learn about it has become challenged if not cheapened to the degree that there are now multiple paths to obtain or create a hammer, yet the benchmark quality of the hammer as well as the process for creation itself as a whole is now more of an authority than the actual original statue or monolith of “hammer man” himself.

This is why I think the many flavours of Ubuntu including the many esoteric Linux distros are still interesting but still lack the diversity of use and specialization. The fact that whole blockchains are built for XYZ while sitting around pumped then dumped to trading at cents with no use goes to show how cloud computing systems and lower level computing is still very disconnected and becoming further thrown aside to uphold ponzi schemes.

I’ll give you an example, more money is wasted on onlyfans per year than for people trying to use system XYZ for solving problem A, or curing cancer. Consider that to be one of the “good” reasons many men and women are so misogynistic, even without looking down on sex workers.

Theharpyeagle,

I… what? What does Ubuntu have to do with misogyny?

xX_fnord_Xx,

This post reminded me to take my meds.

Cannacheques,

Get a life and stop trying to diagnose people via any observable behaviour. One day you’ll understand child lol

1847953620, (edited )

Look. Everything is like a hammer, in terms of specialization. From Linux distros to gender roles, if you want to understand the world, just look at the hammer. We live in the Hammer Age. It is hammer time.

Cannacheques,

No but yes it’s a useful analogy

Cannacheques,

Because plot twists and funny 🤣 nobody cares

heygooberman,
@heygooberman@lemmy.today avatar

It’s not my primary driver, but I would gladly choose KDE over Windows.

const_void,

KDE is the best desktop environment.

Konlanx,

Maybe I can just post here and get a good explanation?

I have been using PopOS for a while now and I am super happy with it, but last time it tried to switch from Gnome to KDE I ended up with a black screen after boot and had to reinstall from scratch.

Does anyone have a good writeup on how to do it properly?

hemko, (edited )

Just install KDE (package name is probably something like kde-desktop) and reboot.

Next login there’s a button bottom right for changing the DE. you don’t need to uninstall gnome desktop.

What probably happened, is that you uninstalled your display manager when uninstalling gnome. This causes you to end up in tty when starting PC when there’s no app configured for the login window

ultra, (edited )

IIRC the package name is kubuntu-desktop

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar
Aradia,
@Aradia@lemmy.ml avatar

I already saw many issues with PopOS, I think they aren’t really that good at Linux and that’s why it’s messed up, you probably uninstalled most of xorg tools. Try Linux Mint, is more stable and serious.

Damage,

FEDORA!

Myriad,

That’s a weird way to spell arch

I use arch btw

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

think it more comes down to all the layers they’re having to deal with: (soon: Cosmic DE) on top of Gnome changes on top of Pop!_OS changes on top of Ubuntu changes on top of Debian changes on top of System76 hardware …

Titou,
@Titou@feddit.de avatar

not a kde user but huge respect to them

BuddyTheBeefalo,

In the newest windows, it is even possible to hover the volume icon and change it with the mouse wheel!!!

starman,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

I have the same functionality on my waybar

SomethingBurger,

Does clicking on it open the mixer, or still the useless menu which should be accessible with a right click instead?

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Menu

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

KDE had that pretty much since the invention of the mouse wheel.

zingo,

Still not going back to Windows!

LOL!

callyral,
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

Wait, they didn’t have that before? Heck, even my sway install with Waybar has this.

psud,

But you still need to get at the audio settings to tell it that it should use your microphone for a microphone, not the USB camera

Cold_Brew_Enema,

Because I don’t want to have to hope that things work on Linux that work on Windows.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

What is left? Photoshop? Excel?

Meh

Rustmilian, (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

You can literally use photoshop in your browser now, thanks to webassembly.

floofloof,

Looks neat but Adobe’s prices are always shockingly high.

EddoWagt,

Proper CAD software :(

Hexarei,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

Fusion 360 works pretty well via Lutris

numanair,

Yeah, this. Freecad does not count even though it’s slowly getting better. There needs to be industry tools available.

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

Proper CAD or AutoCAD? Those are not the same.

EddoWagt,

CAD, AutoCAD is just a CAD program

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

I meant if it was because AutoCAD or any other CAD program.

EddoWagt,

Ah nevermind, yeah at home/work I use SolidWorks and Fusion 360

MikeWey,

I’ve been using ARES Commander for a few years now as an AutoCAD alternative on Linux.

An there is also BricsCAD for which the 3d options seem to better developed than with ARES.

theshatterstone54,

Photoshop is now available in the browser. Just Excel (not always, sometimes LibreOffice Calc with VBA compatibility does the trick), the other Adobe Creative Cloud applications, and some other Windows-only software (for example I dual boot Windows, because of advanced game macros written in AHK that don’t work on Linux via wine or ahk_x11, and I have failed in porting or rewriting them (it’s too big of a task, there is a whole team behind the actual macro). So… still some reasoms to run Windows, but fhese reasons are decreasing.

lingh0e,

You’re casually blowing off two of the main reasons why I still have to use Windows.

Is there a Linux alternative to Excel that will allow me to reliably write and execute VBA macros that I can then deploy to my windows using co-workers?

Is there a Linux alternative to Photoshop? Doesn’t even need to be the most current version. I’d be happy with something that is functionally comparable to Photoshop 7.

I’m not being glib with those questions either. It’s been probably ten years since I’ve really used Linux. If there are legitimate alternatives I’d absolutely give it another go.

zingo, (edited )

Spin up a Windows VM in Linux for those apps.

Or at least dual boot if you are into Linux.

Or at a minimum put Linux on another device with older hardware…

;(

smileyhead,

Change is hard.

floofloof,

I came back to KDE after a long absence because I never liked it back in the day (I found it ugly and bloated). I was really surprised by how good it has become. It’s now my favourite desktop environment on Linux, and I’m looking forward to version 6. So to any other oldies still avoiding KDE because of how it used to be, it’s worth another look.

k_rol, (edited )

I second your experience. It was not so impressive back then and 2indo2s was much nicer, but not anymore. I’m feeling it, this year Linux will be on top!

Edit: I tried to write Windows 🤷‍♂️

pbjamm,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

Third. KDE is really amazing now.

littlewonder, (edited )

Here I am thinking there’s some obscure Linux project using a name that’s somehow a sequel to Windows, like a Windows 2, but also a play on the 2__4me meme.

Theharpyeagle,

Oh, this is good news for me. I remember trying KDE years ago and feeling that it was just way too heavy. My goto is usually Cinnamon, but the lack of Wayland support has made me hesitant to go all in with out on my gaming PC. Def gonna give KDE a try, thanks!

floofloof,

Cinnamon was where I had ended up too. So now I have a couple of Linux Mint/Cinnamon machines and a Tumbleweed/KDE machine. It surprised me that I like KDE more.

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

“But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!”

  • 10’ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager
embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

With app images it’s easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user

theshatterstone54,

With file managers, for example in thunar, you can select Properties -> Permissions -> Allow this file to run as a program

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

also for non-KDE, non-Gnome systems, there’s appimaged – requires a little more setup, but handles the set executable, automates the AppImage integration (.desktop files and menus), keeps a watch on specific folders for new AppImages, and provides a way to check for updates

theshatterstone54,

I’m saving this. I don’t use any appimages (except a cracked Minecraft bedrock launcher but we dont talk about that one), but I’m still going to save this.

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

What chmod step?

When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.

user224,

Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.

Damage, (edited )

ELF and .sh files need to be set executable, chmod +x file, before they can be run, unless your DE does that for you

Dunno about appimages

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

KDE does exactly like that
(I am using MX Linux)

droans,

At least for Ubuntu, you do need to set the permissions of the AppImage before it’ll launch.

I still haven’t figured out how to make .desktop files work yet.

ziixe,

I installed Linux a few weeks ago and it was on Tuesday I wanted to add some programs I had installed (it was mGBA and melonDS) to my steam launcher, I went through the hassle of making a . desktop file for both of them (I was dumb and used a Ubuntu based distro, so it installed as a snap, which sucks hard on a hdd) and then it wouldn’t launch, I searched up again (I was using chatGPT for all of this, I asked it a lot how to do stuff, it’s like this was it’s purpose beacuse it always worked first try), did the chmod x+ command and then I was done

Just to see it not launch :/

cows_are_underrated,

How do you actually install an AppImage? I figured out how to use them, but not how to install them.

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

You don’t install them. You just give them the permission to run and then run them.

woobie,

There is no install needed, you can just edit permissions and make the file executable and then when you open it or click it the app runs.

What won’t be created by default is an application menu to run it from whatever desktop environment you use. You can create those if you wish. You can create a launcher in the menu manually, or you can use a tool called AppImageLauncher to create these for you.

There’s a pretty good explanation here: askubuntu.com/…/add-an-appimage-application-to-th…

jayandp,

Not to mention Flatpaks.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

I still am intimidated by the terminal as I’ve only had slight experience with CMD

bellsDoSing,

Honestly, if all you’ve ever experienced in regards to terminals is windows CMD, then you really haven’t seen much. I mean that possitively. Actually, it will give you a far worse impression on what using a Linux / Unix terminal can be like (speaking as someone who spent what feel’s like years in terminals, of which the least amount in windows CMD).

I suggest to simply play around with a Linux terminal (e.g. install VirtualBox,.then use it to install e.g. Ubuntu, then follow some simple random “Linux terminal beginner tutorial” you can find online).

cows_are_underrated,

The Windows Terminal is absolute Garbage. I tried to use it for some very simple stuff and it was such a trash experience. It just feels wrong.

psud, (edited )

Don’t worry about the terminal until or unless you have something to do that needs it, then follow a guide

Incidentally if a guide tells you to run a program in terminal, you can check what that program is supposed to do

  • man command (eg. man mount) gives you the manual, if it has a manual
  • command -h or --help gives you the command’s help page - pipe it through “less” if it’s more than a single screen eg: ls -h | less
RQG,
@RQG@lemmy.world avatar

I found since people are used to app stores, I’ve had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

But Windows does have an app store, and has for ages now.

savedbythezsh,

Yeah but it’s awful, and can only install UWP apps which are just plain bad

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

Sure, but pretty much every common application most people use is available, which is fine for the majority of people such as OPs mom.

aniki,

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  • Tavarin,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    I don’t think getting instagram, or photoshop off the microsoft store is giving anyone a virus. And I’ve never gotten a virus from it in the few times I’ve used it.

    AeroLemming,

    I can’t even get the fuckin’ thing to open half the time. There’s no way in hell I’m using that buggy piece of shit to install important software.

    Tavarin,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    What crap machine are you running? I can open the store on my Surface 3 I’ve had for nearly a decade.

    alsimoneau,

    It can break if you disable telemetry.

    AeroLemming,

    I suspect that’s what happened to me.

    numanair,

    Most of them are, but there are non UWP apps on there too.

    Jayayess1190,
    @Jayayess1190@lemmy.world avatar

    When is the last time you’ve used it? Microsoft opened it up and now you can find all types of non UWP apps in it.

    flontlocs,

    Still ass though.

    Just install/update App Installer and use winget.

    Cannacheques,

    Windows has also had a variety of freeware since before there was never an app store

    Tavarin,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    Of course, and much of it is on the app store now (which I rarely use myself), but for someone like OPs mom who just wants an easy app store, well there is one.

    FangedWyvern42,
    @FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s not that good. It’s ok (especially now that it’s been unshackled from the hell of UWP), but it’s not as good as most Linux options.

    Tavarin,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    For someone like OPs mom it would be more than good enough is my point. She’s saying she wished something existed that does indeed exist.

    grue, (edited )

    I think it’s still important to explain the key difference between an “app store” and a package repository: the latter isn’t a “store” because everything is free.

    RQG,
    @RQG@lemmy.world avatar

    True but it helps get the concept across so much.

    Zamundaaa,

    Thst might change with Flathub’s ambitions to become an actual app store though

    cows_are_underrated,

    Did I just heard that right? Flathub wants to charge for software?

    Zamundaaa,

    Yes. Flathub wants to become a platform where people and companies can sell their software

    Rubezahl,

    Can I use MS Office natively with that? Also, can I use it as a non-techie lay man in a way that is similar to the way most office bottom-feeders use Windows?

    I know there is Open Office but I am lawyer and the free office alternatives just don’t have the rich formatting options I need to do my job. I have tried and they just won’t do.

    Liska,
    @Liska@feddit.de avatar

    Just out of interest: What are the specific formating options / features you’re missing to be able to perform your job?

    Rubezahl, (edited )

    ToC via Styles formatting and Table of authorities - these are from the top of my head, which I remember not working properly with Open Office. They need to work when I do them and also should be displayed correctly when I receive them from colleagues in docx format.

    Format painter, track changes, spell checker in two languages, intendation adjustments, page breaks, and paste as text - I use these like crazy but I don’t remember if they were OK in Open Office or not.

    Aatube,
    @Aatube@kbin.social avatar
    laverabe, (edited )

    honestly Libreoffice is not on par with MS Office. I use MS at work and Linux at home and Libreoffice is great for general use, but it is very rough around the edges, and does not have all the capability that MS does. I wish it were not the case but lack of an excellent office suite is one weaknesses of Linux.

    Dunstabzugshaubitze,

    Fyi: Libre Office is the actively developed Open Office fork.

    Don’t know how it stacks up to MS Office though.

    Aatube,
    @Aatube@kbin.social avatar

    In my opinion, it stacks up VERY well, even better, except the toolbar is by-default a mess for some reason while there's a very easy option to set it to tabbed.

    Index_Case,

    Interesting. Will have a look on the snazzy package manager and give it a go. Ta.

    Setarkus,

    How does the UI size work out for you? I recently took a look at it on a windows pc and the tiny size of most things is the one problem I have with it. Then again, I read something about being able to scale different programs individually somewhere (not for windows though)

    Aatube,
    @Aatube@kbin.social avatar
    Setarkus,

    Thanks, I think this was removed some time ago from what U remember reading. I’ll have to check that again though.

    (I should really check my accounts inbox more often ^^')

    themoonisacheese,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    First of all, libre office is very competent but I understand that it’ll always be very behind whetever Microsoft decides to do next.

    Office is available on all systems at office365.com if you must use Microsoft tools.

    For the non-tech usage, very much yes. Most of the problems your hear about with linux stem from people trying to make it do stuff that you can’t dream of doing on windows because it will stop you. Simply installing a system and using it to browse the web, edit documents, maybe install a few popular programs like VLC or Discord is set-and forget. System installers have recently gotten much more noob-friendly as well, imo the debian and Pop!OS installers don’t really allow you to mess up. KDE is a good choice of DE, but you might be more confortable with others. Good news, you can decide later, as switching desktop Environments is easy and preserves your files.

    KISSmyOS,

    Can I use MS Office natively with that?

    Not the full suite, natively. You can install it via PlayonLinux, which works well without fiddling, or you can use Office 365 on the web.

    Also, can I use it as a non-techie lay man in a way that is similar to the way most office bottom-feeders use Windows?

    Yes.

    I know there is Open Office but I am lawyer and the free office alternatives just don’t have the rich formatting options I need to do my job. I have tried and they just won’t do.

    Open Office is deprecated. You can use LibreOffice which is free. Or WPS Office or SoftMaker Office, which run on Linux and are 100% compatible with MS Office, but cost money.

    Engywuck,

    Also Only office, which appears to have the best compatibility with MS documents (although in my particular case I find it a bit cumbersome).

    ekky,

    Last I used it, it seemed to lack a lot of more advanced features. I think I especially stumbled over the bibliography, though I did not use any add-ons.

    Engywuck,

    One can use Zotero ad Mendeley plugins for bibliography, btw.

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