fury, Me still trying to figure out how to get it to auto start / auto login on boot on my fresh new Raspberry Pi 5 without locking up at a flashing cursor screen: 😩
psud, (edited ) I haven’t had luck with auto login, as soon as it’s logged in it wants a password to unlock its keyring
I wish installers let you set low local security mode. We don’t all need strong security, some of us are just playing games
kshade, KDE nerds: Is there a way to get a normal app launch indicator (cursor with a loading icon/hourglass) instead of either nothing or the little hopping icons that don’t animate right?
CalicoJack, I don’t know about an hourglass specifically, but there are some options. Should be in system settings, applications, launch feedback and/or busy cursor.
Kierunkowy74, System Settings → Appearance → Cursor Theme → Configure Launch Feedback
kshade, That only has nothing, static (icon), blinking (icon) or bouncing (icon) though. I find anything involving the icon jarring, especially because it keeps lagging behind the cursor. And yes, this is incredibly minor.
tuxed, Seems to be some cursor themes that do it that way, like this one for example: store.kde.org/p/2103612
westyvw, I think you mean different. I find the bouncing very normal after all these years. The spinning wheel and hourglass is there but they are used to indicate system waits, rather than launches.
Of course you can shut the bouncing launch off if you dont like it.
Zamundaaa, No. Some people wanted to change it to that for Plasma 6, but on Xorg there’s apparently no way to make that happen, as the cursor is always decided on by the window you’re hovering over…
kshade, Oh, I see, thank you! Never noticed the cursor changing back when I put it over another window in XFCE, but I also never looked for that. I really just want that brief feedback, especially when I’m using a touchpad.
frippa, Bel nick 10/10
MazonnaCara89, Grazie brother ❤️
jayandp, What’s the current reliable KDE Distro? I’ve been rolling with Kububtu for a while now, but Ubuntu’s Snap mandate has been getting annoying.
RePierre, I would recommend the KDE spin of Fedora.
Franzia, Second but I use Nobara with KDE.
h_a_r_u_k_i, Second. Up-to-date packages and stable at the same time.
pewpew, I’m using Kubuntu as my main OS and it has been very stable for me. You can remove snapd and install the deb Firefox repository. You should look up tutorials on how to do it, I did it and nothing broke
macgyver, Endeavour switched to KDE as their main DE
kariboka, I use it in Garuda. No complains.
phoenixz, I for one hope to move from kubuntu to debian with KDE, I assume that won’t have snap shit or systemd shit, but I might be painfully mistaken right there, I haven’t checked it out yet.
mellejwz, Debian does use systemd, but what’s so bad about it? I’m just curious, I’m using Arch with KDE, and that also uses systemd. Never had any issues with it. Debian doesn’t use snap by default though.
Kierunkowy74, MX does not use systemd by default
floofloof, (edited ) I have been enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s a rolling distro unlike the Ubuntu and Debian derivatives, but the updates hardly ever cause problems and it’s very easy to roll them back if they do. It also gives you a choice between X11 and Wayland, and Wayland is working well for me on Intel graphics.
Toribor, I jumped into Tumbleweed recently and have really been liking it. Last time I used Linux with a desktop environment I was using Gnome and KDE was a lot unglier. Things have definitely changed.
LucidDaemon, Fedoras flavor with KDE. Fedora never caused an issue for me.
bour, Debian or MX.
schnurrito, Most likely the best distro for KDE is KDE neon, but that doesn’t mean that much.
I use it on Debian testing and am very satisfied with it, KDE has never been so stable.
Fredol, (edited ) Tumbleweed is pretty much the “official” kde distro
maeries, Not KDE Neon?
kirk782, KDE Neon gets the latest package updates regarding KDE first but it is not official in any sense, as listed on their website. In fact, Neon is just a package archive built on top of Ubuntu that offers more up to date KDE stuff.
I have used the distro as a daily driver in the past. It uses it’s own pkgcon package management system.
HiddenLayer5, Fedora KDE Spin works pretty well
yaygya, I can confirm. I’ve been running it on my M1 MacBook Pro and it’s quite nice.
KseniyaK, Natively or in a VM?
yaygya, Natively. Only major blocker for me using it more often now is speaker support, which is coming soon enough (the M1 Air already has it).
callyral, If you want something Ubuntu-based I’d recommend KDE Neon, last time I tried it, it was great. I don’t think it has snaps since it’s made by KDE.
interceder270, Manjaro is pretty good.
Franzia, Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.
mrcleanup, Yeah, but that old technology is what still lets me run a 13 year old version of Adobe creative suite. If that ever changes I will have to learn something new!
Franzia, We will perhaps never beat adobe but nowadays there are some amazing tools!
… Which are developed for windows as well. Haha.
allywilson, This is kinda how I feel about Windows these days. It’s interface, directory structure, shudder the registry, user specific apps (from MS Store or Winget), buttons being inserted into the menu bars on some apps, but not others, button sizes being different sizes, some parts still using the Metro interface. The whole thing either needs a re-write, or should be dropped and something new to replace it. Don’t even get me started on things like the eventvwr hanging for 20 seconds after it opens, event tracer API, their in-house abandonment of powershell modules once powershell was open sourced, Windows containers being a disaster, etc.
teatowel, The problem is that so much critical infrastructure around the world relies on ancient Windows software. I’m pretty sure their backwards compatibility is one of the reasons there’s so much inconsistency in Windows, and every iteration seems to just add more bloat on top.
allywilson, They hired the man behind systemd (controversial, I know, but he does have a vision). I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.
AntEater, I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.
I hate Windows and would love to see ruined too.
psud, There was a TCP/IP bug that shared it’s exploit on versions of windows from windows for workgroups 3.11 (which you ran from the DOS prompt by typing ‘win’) through to windows 7 (which was the new hotness at the time)
That’s a bug conserved from the very first Microsoft implementation of TCP/IP through to the state of the art at the time
People were surprised at the time that it wasn’t a windows NT bug
allywilson, That’s surprising, as I think the first Windows TCP/IP stack was ported over from BSD by Spider Systems (pretty sure that’s why it still has things like “/etc/hosts” - albeit under System32). Wonder if the bug was in BSD and never backported (cross ported?).
RuikkaaPrus, Fully based
Pantherina, Plasma is not a system, but I see how they didnt want to confuse people here
oce, It is a desktop environment system.
Iapar, But no operating system
oce,
Synthead, To be fair, forcing a bunch of software on the machine users own was never a good move, and in my opinion, not a new normal.
interceder270, It was a good move when people had no idea what they were doing and needed defaults to get started.
Synthead, You mean the defaults that were against anti trust laws?
micnd90,
SGHFan, And you can’t get de-crufted Win11 outside Europe! Another win for Plasma!
psud, You can, but it takes a little effort
derpgon, Do Android next!
nanders, Try LineageOS
derpgon, I’d prefer a solution out of the box. I am well aware of alternative OSes.
aberrate_junior_beatnik, murena.com (no affiliation, do not own one)
derpgon, Just skimming through the website, I noticed they use their own Drive solution. Quickly glancing at the images, and it seemed oddly familiar.
And holy shit it they use the exact same setup I set up at work - NextCloud with OnlyOffice integration.
This seems nice.
yoz, What’s plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers
captain_aggravated, Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.
Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.
KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as “KDE” by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.
KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.
yoz, Thanks for the explanation. Really appreciate it.
Acters, an linux operating system made by the KDE team
Blackmist, Since when has KDE been an OS?
IlliteratiDomine, Plasma isn’t a KDE OS, but Neon is.
dangblingus, Literally according to KDE’s own tweet (whatever they call tweets on mastodon) which is the subject of this thread.
1984, (edited ) Things are more interesting in the Linux world. Plasma is just a user interface, a desktop environment. The actual operating system is Linux. And we have so many choices for how we want our desktop environment on Linux, but Plasma is the most advanced one.
Acters, I said its a linux operating system, and the whole installation from Desktop environment to the compiled kernel and preinstalled executables was carefully made by the KDE team. They literally said Operating system on their mastodon post, “toot,” this lemmy post shows. So its correct what I said
allywilson, raises pendantic finger Ah-hem, sorry, but KDE Plasma isn’t an OS. It’s a desktop environment. For an OS bundled/built-around Plasma then Kubuntu or KDE Neon are both Linux distributions that would better fit that description.
glasgitarrewelt, We could call it Plasma/Linux or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Plasma plus Linux.
JuxtaposedJaguar, Thank you for interjecting.
Acters, (edited ) KDE’s plasma centered Linux Operating system. So to not be overly pedantic, I stuck with what this lemmy post was about. I didn’t say the plasma desktop environment was an OS.
I said “a linux operating system made by the KDE team” in which the KDE team referenced their OS as Plasma in the Mastodon post, or “toot,” shown in this lemmy post.
psud, (edited ) Or a GNU operating system with a Linux kernel and KDE desktop environment
But that’s a mouthful
frostinger, (edited ) deleted_by_author
DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) No wonder lemmy user base Is dropping with holier than comments like this. Let me guess, you use arch too?
frostinger, (edited ) Oh sure, defending people who aren’t even willing to read the text of the post while also attacking the one who complains about that circumstance is better, right?
Dracula_on_a_bike, Well, although usually it’s a good idea to read the original post first, in this instance the original post is at best misleading because it refers to Plasma as an “operating system” rather than a desktop environment.
(Or for those who want to use even more precise terminology: its full name is either “Plasma Desktop” or “KDE Plasma Desktop”, because KDE also has some non-desktop environments such as Plasma Mobile and Plasma Bigscreen… none of which are as popular as Plasma Desktop, though, so usually Plasma Desktop is colloquially called just “Plasma”.)
frostinger, I never said anything regarding the truth of the original posts claim; it’s just irritating when people start asking questions without even reading what was initially written.
daed, Whoosh
frostinger, (edited ) woof woof
Kuhelika, It’s a desktop environment for linux operating systems. Desktop environments pretty much dictate how a pc looks. KDE Plasma,Mate, Gnome, Cinnamon etc are some famous desktop environments
smileyhead, KDE Plasma is an desktop environment.
The kind of thing you interact outside of installed app/programs. Like the panels, window decorations (titles, close buttom, maximalize button), the way windows float and behave, system settings, etc.
Unix systems (like Linux) are very modular and you can install different desktop environments if you want. And even within those desktops are modules, like you can install different “start menu” or file manager on KDE Plasma.
corsicanguppy, Based
I can’t wait until community ADHD picks another inscrutable word to mutter arbitrarily and signal clique membership.
ikidd, What weirds me out is that this was a Maga/redpill thing to start with.
tricoro, I remember it first from twitch, many years ago.
zwekihoyy, that’s the joke
smileyhead, Better teach yourself what ADHD is if you ever want to get out of your basement.
psud, (edited ) I like the word, it fits well with biased which is approximately opposite
My least favourite new word is ‘doom scrolling’ which is now used to mean “scrolling internet feeds mindlessly” where it originally meant “constantly refreshing the internet feed in the hope the result of the American presidential election will change”
I’d be happy if it was used in another doomy context
AlexWIWA, Because I need Windows to run old C&C games. Get Generals world builder working on Linux and I’ll delete my dual boot
the_q, Imagine keeping an entire system set aside for one application. You do you, bud.
AlexWIWA, I don’t think you understand how zealous C&C fans are. Some of us have entire XP machines with CRT monitors just to play the game in its purest form. We’re about as culty as Linux.
But it’s also not just one program, it’s all the c&c games, their map editors, mod loaders, and any modding tools. World builder is just an example.
the_q, Fair enough.
AlexWIWA, The simple solution here is to just move on and play a game that isn’t old enough to drink, lol.
TangledHyphae, Does it not run in a virtual machine very well or at all?
AlexWIWA, It can but it’s already a headache to get the tools running, and adding in the VM layer can add more headaches.
Usually the compatibility patches make the games work in the VM, but the map editors and modding tools had a lot of issues last time I tried.
The tooling around those games was incredibly barbones so there are probably a lot of hacks going on that the VM wasn’t properly stimulating.
psud, I have a 286 running DOS 6 for when I’m feeling especially nostalgic
AlexWIWA, I really need to get a Windows 98 PC for the same reason
randomivysaur, I’d like to introduce you to Qubes OS then :P
AMillionNames, You can already get it working under Linux, running a Windows VM. I remember doing that for Homeworld, it’s basically the emulator approach. A VM is ok if it isn’t too demanding graphically.
AlexWIWA, Yeah the issue is the tools. They’re what I have a hard time with in the VMs. I have no idea why
m3t00, working from home has loosened ms grip on corporate desktop counts. some brilliant bean counter will save them a ton of money after they write off the downtown office space and offer everyone the cost of a micrsoft seat license. I’d guess it’s around $100/seat but I’ve been out many years. The shitty companies will just pocket the savings.
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