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puchaczyk, (edited ) in Completely untrue nowadays...

With cups it’s pretty much painless on linux form me, though some distros have a very restrictive firewall configuration out of the box, so you have to whitelist it before using. Not too complicated, but can be very frustrating for new users who never touched a firewall before.

0x4E4F,
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ufw ring a bell 😒… yeah, being uncomplicated doesn’t mean it’s not working.

Evil_Shrubbery, (edited ) in Oh boy, goodie!

I get it … but idk if I want Disney on my mind when thinking about xfce

mvirts, in Completely untrue nowadays...

The printers are probably running Linux too.

0x4E4F,
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Nope, *BSD… most of them.

LainOfTheWired, in Happy new year
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Happy new year!

I’m looking at switching to 90% terminal applications this year.

Picture_Pig,
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yes wait for GUI in terminal

Null, in Oh boy, goodie!
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Love this and now I’m expecting wallpapers for my xfce build.

DannyBoy, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I had to start the scanner tool from the command line, I felt like a hacker but it did usually work on Linux.

Artyom, (edited ) in Completely untrue nowadays...

That was the last thing that kept me dual booting. Eventually, I realized that my printer wasn’t worth using on any OS so I wasn’t losing anything by going all-in.

Siegfried, in Happy new year

My new year resolution is to use arch, btw

Happy new year

Picture_Pig,
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thanks you too

Winter8593, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Yeah I switched to LMDE a couple months ago and I plugged in my printer for the first time but long ago. I was worried it wouldn’t work at first but it started printing right away!

AbsurdityAccelerator, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I swear my 3d printer is more reliable than my paper printer.

EvilHankVenture,

At least if my 3d printer breaks I can fix it.

SpikesOtherDog,

I am wondering why there is no open framework for laser printing.

There are a few parts that would have to be made out of sheet metal. The sides could be stamped for the same pattern. You then need a back and a cross section. One could theoretically make them from ABS, but ABS gets brittle with heat and the sides will shatter.

One side of the printer is dedicated to running an ARM SOC. I’m not sure if the Arduino is up to the task, but it will need to control 3 motors, initiate a heating sequence, start a rasterizing laser, interpret a print job, communicate over network and USB, and monitor a bunch of sensors.

The hardest parts will be obtaining print cartridges, rollers, and fusers. Designing a standard to run off a certain vendor’s hardware will be a pile of issues, and nobody will just start manufacturing hardware for a handful of hobbyist printers.

Everything else is 3d printing, springs, and screws.

taladar,

I am wondering why there is no open framework for laser printing.

Besides the reasons already mentioned most people who would be interested in bleeding edge tinkering probably have moved on from paper at this point.

SpikesOtherDog,

Good point. Most people hate printing anyway.

frezik, (edited )

2d printers need to be a lot more precise. 300dpi means each dot is placed with less than a tenth of a mm, and that’s not even particularly impressive for a 2d printer. 3d printers get away with a lot more slop than that.

That’s only talking about greyscale. Color requires precise alignment of the cartridges for at least 4 base colors (higher end photo printers have even more) , and the mix of those colors must be carefully controlled to get accurate output.

SpikesOtherDog,

Yeah, that is one of the big problems I was considering. Even monochrome at 300 DPI would be a problem. The imaging array and drum would need to be manufactured separately and installed as whole unit.

jas0n,

At least it only needs to be precise if the register is adjustable. You would need some tiny stepper motors right? I’m not familiar with how register is adjusted on desktop printers, but I know it can be.

GTG3000,

Well, cartridges, rollers, and fusers are the important bits that can’t easily be manufactured by hand. And that’s a big part of the price of the printer.

You can’t really make them cheaper than mass-manufacture, and laser printers are already almost bulletproof from my experience.

SpikesOtherDog,

You are right. I think I rubber-ducked myself to the same conclusion.

MonkderZweite,

cartridges

Bottles are simpler.

GTG3000,

For laser printing?

adhocfungus,

My cheap old 3D printer requires constant fiddling before and after every print, yet still fails probably half the time. I avoid printing things sometimes just because I don’t want to deal with it.

I would still agree with you 100%. I hate my HP printer so much.

GladiusB,
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I too own an HP

Kolanaki, (edited )
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Let’s go back to stone tablets. Only instead of stone, it’s plastic and resin.

“Here’s my report.” Slaps what appears to be 100 fast food trays down on the desk

Kolanaki, (edited ) in Completely untrue nowadays...
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I would only think them to work better on Linux because the software you’re using isn’t made by the printer company. Their software sucks. The hardware sucks, too. They’re made to be shit because a perfect printer isn’t profitable.

monsieur_jean, (edited )

Since I've moved in South East Asia, I have discovered that:

  • Almost every single printer that exists has a conversion kit available on Taobao to use big ink bottles
  • There's not a single firmware that hasn't been hacked, nor a single part that hasn't been cloned
  • Therefore, most printer manufacturers have a specific line of durable products that allows the use of third party ink because if they don't, other people will bank of their product maintenance and they won't sell much.

The only reason we in developped country get scammed like we are, is because of IP laws and governments that allow manufacturers to abuse them with no consequences at the expense of the customers (and the planet).

mr_right,
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conversion kit available I would like to hear more about those conversion kits and what are they reused for.

monsieur_jean,

Look up your printer model number on Alibaba. Or better yet, on Taobao (but if you don't speak Chinese it's a bit complicated). Your options depending on the printer you have are going to be :

  • Print heads conversion kits (a replacement of the complete print heads module with tubes feed from ink bottles attached outside your printer)
  • Refillable ink cartridges
  • Counterfeited Compatible ink cartridges that cost a fraction of the official ones while having 10 times more ink in them.

Now depending on where you live and the local laws it may or may not be legal to import those. In the country I live in there is no law against it. In most South East Asia the law doesn't care about that and if it does, law enforcement doesn't. :)

mdd, in Completely untrue nowadays...

WTF? Is this about using inkjets on WiFi?

mlg, in Completely untrue nowadays...
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CUPS is absolutely amazing compared to windows printer drivers which had whole ass critical CVEs several times already.

Even Apple uses CUPS

aard,
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CUPS is horrible, and also had its share of critical vulnerabilities. It is just better than the LPD mess we had before.

It is not a Linux specific thing - it was developed when there still were a lot of UNIX variants around. Apple was a very early contributor, and had quite a bit of influence in making it successful.

c10l, (edited )

It’s no surprise Apple uses CUPS. They wrote it, after all.

Edit: TIL Apple didn’t write CUPS themselves but they bought the company that did it pretty early in the game. Here’s a LWN article from the time, exposing some of the worries that came with the news of the acquisition: lwn.net/Articles/242020/

indepndnt, in Completely untrue nowadays...

No joke, printing is like the #1 thing I like most about switching from Windows to Linux. I still get errors about the bypass tray every time I try to print from Windows. I’M NOT USING THE BYPASS TRAY!

0x4E4F,
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Ah, the famous bypass tray… I still have no idea why they made those…

Bishma, in Let's go! (sorry i used WSL i have my own reasons for it...)
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watch -n 1 date

bloopernova,
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I was going to post exactly that, lol

Picture_Pig,
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nice

TheGreenGolem,
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No, that’s a specific number.

Picture_Pig,
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what

TheGreenGolem,
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69 -> nice.

I referenced an overused, childish joke.

mypasswordis1234, (edited )
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Picture_Pig,
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it used for cpu cores

youngGoku,

Same

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

what does it do?

Bishma,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

it runs the date command once per second until you hit ctrl+c

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

tysm!

simpleslipeagle,

-d if you’re feeling sporty.

Bishma,
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If we’re adding dramatic flourish, I’ll suggest watch -n 1 ‘date | cowsay’

Picture_Pig,
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tysm

azerial, (edited )

man watch

Nice command! Thanks!

edit: md

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