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orvorn, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I do freelance sysadmin work and Macs are actually the hardest to mass deploy printer configurations to.

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

At my workplace we have sketchy-looking unsigned Applescripts to install printers on Macs. You have to find the right file for the printer you want to install, and run it, or ask IT to do it for you.

It’s not ideal, but everyone that tries to improve the printing experience ends up ragequitting. Last I heard, someone in IT was looking into some sort of “print anywhere” solution where you just install one virtual printer driver and print to it, then scan your badge at any printer to see all your print jobs and print them. Not sure what the status is with that though - haven’t heard about it for a while.

maxwellfire, (edited )

I thought I saw that Mac has the same CUPS print service/printer manager that Linux uses? In fact it seems like apple developed it. I think that helps enormously with standardizing printer configs. www.cups.org/doc/admin.html

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I think it does; it’s just automated installation of new printers that’s an issue as far as I know. Not 100% sure since I’m a software developer rather than an IT support person, so I never deal with stuff like that.

orvorn,

Enterprise grade MFD printers often have a lot of features that don’t get detected/mapped automatically, such as finishing options like staples and folding, as well as color management. I’m not a printer expert, I try to avoid them when possible, but I know that mass deploying those specific configurations in a safe and sane way seems basically impossible.

On the Fedora-based Linux machines, however, all of that seems to just pop in automatically, so I don’t think it’s a CUPS problem.

EvacuateSoul,

If you need one, staple by hand. If you need 30, make 29 copies with staple, and while they’re printing, staple the one by hand.

Or at least that’s what I would have said in my IT days lol.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s my understanding that CUPS was developed at Apple.

esc27,

Apple bought CUPS then did little with it, causing the main dev to leave and fork the project.

cm0002,

Macs are usually the hardest to do of any sort of enterprise management. But printers? Holy fuck, its a nightmare lmao

MaxHardwood, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Hardware problems are an entirely different issue.

Literally the biggest issue

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

To be honest, yes 🤷.

MonkderZweite,

called “quirks”.

takeda, in Btw i used Arch!

Arch? That’s so 2020. With NixOS you can just rollback if you make a mistake.

i.redd.it/tlmg36zoel671.png

I use NixOS BTW.

neonred,

nix-env / nix-channels / nix profile / homemanager ?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can do that with any distro and BTRFS.

takeda,

That’s just a snapshot. What NixOS allows you to create configuration that will deploy your OS configured the way you like, possibly post it on places like GitHub deeply a new machine confused the exact same way.

You can even do something like this: grahamc.com/blog/erase-your-darlings/

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can do the same with void-mklive. Boot, install, you have the same system that is on the live USB on your HDD/SSD.

platypus_plumba,

I’ve never used btrfs. Can you give an example of an error and how it is corrected?

takeda,

BTRFS and ZFS filesystems offer lightweight snapshots. So you can save the state of the filesystem and restore it. It is often integrated with the package manager and a snapshot is involved before you make change.

NixOS works differently. You have a configuration file, and each time you make change to it NixOS rebuilds itself to its specification from scratch (you might assume it would be a lengthy process, but because of caching only things that are rebuilt are things that you are changing).

This means that things like for example squeezing from KDE to Gnome or X11 to Wayland aren’t scary to try and you can easily revert things back, your home directory won’t be touched.

Also those things aren’t exclusive you can use BTRFS and ZFS on NixOS to and enjoy their benefits.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can also exclude any directory you like from snapshots, including home, that’s not a problem.

takeda,

Yeah, you can if you plan well enough (typically. What I’m trying to illustrate is that this works by taking a snapshot of the disk in time. It’s like keeping a working copy of your system on your disk to be able to revert to.

While with NixOS you work with a “recipe” how your system is supposed to be configured. It is much lighter. It is declarative, you change the recipe and get what you described, you change configuration and all packages which you did not mention and are not used by anything are gone. If you update your system you can use the same configuration on it

The thing is that using can still get BTRFS or ZFS and use it to have snapshots too (for example your home directory)

bruhduh, (edited )
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Nah man, 3 months ago i had fedora 38 btrfs, timeshift refused to work because subvolumes wasn’t done, but i installed everything in auto gui mode, i did them by the manual after installation, timeshift started working just fine, a week further update to fedora 39 came, i updated, everything broke because of subvolumes, i loaded fedora recovery mode from grub, tried to roll back with timeshift btrfs, it rolled back to 38 but everything was still broke, and more over, whole ssd with this installation became locked, had to recover data from completely locked up ssd, in the middle of the process it locked even further, so i couldn’t even copy some files when disk was connected as external

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Have no idea what RH did that would do that during an update.

I manually set up BTRFS every time, haven’t had any problems. But, I use Void, not Fedora.

HuntressHimbo,

NixOS ended up disappointing me a fair bit. I just tried it recently and the KDE support seems very rough so far, or at least I couldn’t find good answers to how to configure it and theme it.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

kde theming os pretty much independent of your distro tho?

HuntressHimbo,

One of the main draw of NixOs is the reproducibility of builds, meaning that redoing the build will provide the exact same output each time, so Nix encourages you to make configuration changes through the package manager. I’ve mostly overcome my theming woes with home-manager now, but this comment was speaking to a little wrinkle I had when I was trying to learn and take advantage of the OS’s features as best I could.

takeda,

Home manager is the way to do it though.

The main configuration handles configuration of the system, home manager project was created to bring similar functionality for the user home directory. That’s where the name comes from.

Home manager also works great when using Nix on other systems to manage for files, for example on OS X.

MonkderZweite, (edited )

NixOS would be top and bottom, and the Orca, alltogether?

cmgvd3lw, in Btw i used Arch!

Hannah Montana users be up in the Everest.

psycho_driver,

Why mess with perfection?

Ghyste,

Ewno.

Classy, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I got an amazing old HP office laser jet, a 1320n. Would Linux be able to print from it relatively easily? I had to work pretty hard to get it on W10.

JustARegularNerd,

I have a pair of LaserJet 2200dn printers, they work absolutely fine in any Linux distro but I just have to make sure to use the below driver in my case:

HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/lj4dith (grayscale, 2-sided printing)

If I use the default or hpcups drivers it takes fucking forever (over an hour!) to process the pages. Essentially if given the option go for the lj4dith driver for your LaserJet

brokenlcd, in Completely untrue nowadays...

On linux i was able to setup my hp laserjet no problem, cups recognised it just fine; the problem is with the integrated scanner, SANE sees that there is some sort of scanner but fails to talk to it, i have windows 10 installed on a usb key essentially only to use the scanner

BigDanishGuy, (edited ) in Btw i used Arch!

Debian Bookworms REPRESENT!

Also … you know … try to see if you can push another penguin in

caseyweederman,

You misspelled Sid

MonkderZweite, in Oh boy, goodie!

XFCE is the Mickey Mouse under the desktop environments?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I hope not…

ahriboy, in Oh boy, goodie!
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Let me clarify, only the Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse characters are in public domain, not the recent versions as Disney holds the copyright. In a few years, more Mickey Mouse shorts will become public domain.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Personally, I don’t give a shit about whether Mickey Mouse is copyrighted or not. What I care about is all the other works that were kept from entering the public domain because Disney was constantly getting copyright extended.

voidMainVoid,

What’s funny is that Disney built their empire largely on public-domain works (such as fairy tales), but when it’s their turn to give back, they fight it tooth and nail. Classic getting to the top and then pulling up the ladder behind you.

detalferous,

Hard agree

RoyaltyInTraining, in Completely untrue nowadays...
@RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world avatar

I never had any problems printing or scanning on Linux. Meanwhile my dad’s PC bluescreens from opening the driver UI.

udon, in Btw i used Arch!

Actually the Arch penguins jump happily on their own

Pirasp,

And then they go on to fight the predators to make it safe for the rest

XTL,

And they send maps that the others can use.

UnfortunateShort, (edited )

The documentary host went on:

After hearing about their “totally riced” setup for hours, the exhausted predator dies a painless death in the icy waters. A mercy the breedable Rust peers of the Arch user, drunk on their freshly claimed victory, will not share. Already displaying socks as part of their mating ritual, no baby-faced creature that knows its way around a terminal is safe. They are not taken by force however. Rather they freeze, smitten by the confidence the incredibly annoying apex predator radiates. Feeling used, but also strangely satisfied, the confused boy is left wondering why they aren’t using Arch, when Wiki and the AUR are so incredibly useful. Maybe it’s that symbiosis that keeps them together: Curiosity, Fear and the common Arch user’s incredible displays of power.

psycho_driver, in Btw i used Arch!

I’m glad they got the order right. I feel like gentoo should be piloting a nuclear submarine targeting the Orca though.

mavu, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Just don’t buy HP/Epson/Canon.

Buy a Brother Laserprinter, and never worry again for the rest of your life.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Trouble is, no parts for Brother over here 😔. HP has the market here and parts for them are dirt cheap.

Sure, I can order from AliExpress, but it’ll take months to arrive here.

gmtom, in Completely untrue nowadays...

A Linux meme that’s somewhat critical of Linux?

I wonder what the comments will be like…

Ziglin,

Linux has printer problems? Printing works fine for me…

Famko,

It’s not really critical of Linux, it’s criticising those stupid fucking printers in general

possiblylinux127, in Let's go! (sorry i used WSL i have my own reasons for it...)

Slightly unrelated but cygwin will run better on windows (its way lighter)

QuaternionsRock,

Can Cygwin run Linux GUI programs effectively? What about GPU-bound workloads? Would happily switch if the answer to both of those is yes.

possiblylinux127,

You can run GUI apps but I’m not sure about GPU workloads. Wouldn’t bare metal be the best for that?

QuaternionsRock,

Wouldn’t bare metal be the best for that?

Technically yes, but WSL2 is remarkably close to optimal in terms of throughput. Unlike WSL1 (a type 2 hypervisor), WSL2 requires Hyper-V (a type 1 hypervisor), meaning Windows also runs as a VM once it’s enabled. The Linux vGPU driver still needs to go through the Windows Nvidia driver as far as I know, but that is seldom the bottleneck for CUDA applications.

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

true it uses a Microsoft Hypervisor Virtual Machine

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

i dont mind the GUI… but is Cygwin open source? just knowing

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yep, that’s what I use as well… in Windows I mean.

azerial,

AHHHH “Has ptsd flashbacks from having to use Cygwin on a mixed build environment for a popular MMO that’s about some kind of war up in the stars…” lol NOT THE CYGDRIVE lol jk but it did take me back ~5 years.

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

i try to understand that…

lapingvino,

Best option is still Git Bash 🙃

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

most true :3

gornius,

Better in which way? WSL2 is a VM running ALONGSIDE Windows, not inside. Its performance is basically bare metal. If you have enough RAM, there is no reason to use cygwin instead of WSL2.

possiblylinux127,

In that case why don’t you just run a VM or install bare metal. WSL strips you of control just like Windows itself does.

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

its complicated as i replied to someone else’s comment…

im not a “it just works” user too but its complicated to explain why i use windows for now (but ill switich soon)

like im totally a FOSS enthusiast but like…

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

its complicated please dont blame me for WSL

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

thanks

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