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Xirup, in ubuntu a granel (bulk ubuntu)

What’s that supposed to say? Or what I’m not understanding?

404, (edited )

“Ubuntu a granel” means “Free of charge” in Kinyarwanda (according to Google Translate).

Edit to add: It’s spoken in Rwanda.

See also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_philosophy

cocolopez, (edited )
@cocolopez@lemmy.world avatar

It’s like “take as much as you want”.

This was outside a minimarket

Judicus,

It translates to “free of charge” or something to that end.

Ubuntu is a Bantu (broad language family of about 600 African languages including Zulu) term meaning something like “humanity” or “community”

Near as I can tell, Granel is borrowed from spanish and in isolation would mean “grain”

sneezycat,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

“A granel” in Spanish means “in bulk”. It’s used when you go to a store and you put however much of whatever you need in a bag. Usually done with veggies.

comfydecal, in Come to the Linux side of the force

I think this would be funny if the NSA didn’t consider Linux users to be a radicalized threat

Secret300,

But I am

cyanarchy,

That’s based as hell

sheepishly, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
@sheepishly@kbin.social avatar

Hannah Montana Linux, huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aotzo4tyvM4

A_Random_Idiot,

Thought for sure that was gonna be the MJD video. How wrong I was.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRSq9cetVY

konalt, (edited ) in Cinnabuntu
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LainOfTheWired, (edited ) in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

Just why?

It’s been really sad watching them shoot themselves in the foot like this. They seem bent on destroying their distro. Which was the first distro I really used on an old laptop after trying a few.

Man Ubuntu 16 those were the days.

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s also amazing they even try because a good percentage of Ubuntu users are likely knowledgeable tech users who like to stay aware of their software. Many of them are probably former or current Microsoft or Apple users who want to avoid big corporate OS systems because of creeping advertising.

agressivelyPassive,

Why? Because it’s working, at least for now.

Canonical has pulled similar shit for years now. Remember the Amazon search integration? They do it again and again, yet most users stay.

And I know, someone will comment “but I totally ditched Ubuntu and my one friend did too!!!”, but how is Ubuntu still the most popular distribution? Finding snaps is easier than finding flatpacks or debs or rpms. Finding support is easier, etc. This might be just momentum, but until that is running out, it’s working.

Rodeo,

He said Ubuntu 16, I believe the Amazon search fiasco was in 2012. He simply hasn’t been using Linux long enough to know that Ubuntu used to be good. His baseline user experience is probably gnome 3.

So he’s comparing extra-shitty Ubuntu to shitty Ubuntu and saying it didn’t used to be shitty.

Fabrik872,

I know that amazon search was there also in 16.04 because it was my first distro and in my country i only briefly heard about amazon so it looked cool to me to have one button to order something but i never clicked on it because i tought it only works in rich countries or something. At that time i didnt gave a crap about privacy i was sold on it because i liked the design of unity and the fact that it looks different than school pcs with windows so it didnt remind me school

LainOfTheWired,
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

Ubuntu actually still had the unity desktop environment when I started using it. And I wasn’t happy when they switched to gnome. Thats part of why I stopped using it

LainOfTheWired, in Bye bye edge
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

People have already proven they will put up with about anything Microsoft throws at them, so they were never going to switch anyway.

Also you still can’t uninstall the bootloader under windows.😆

AI_toothbrush,

Yeah people will download a patched windows iso, go through an extremely complicated install process to have everything the way they want, flip a few bits in windows with some shady ass tool and give up updates instead of just using linux.

m_r_butts,

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  • c0mbatbag3l,
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    Gaming performance on Linux is excellent, I’m getting stable 60FPS on single player games on my old 1050 equipped laptop from 2016 that weren’t even playable on the old Windows install.

    Anticheat however is a different story, and CoD DMZ/Zombies is where I spend most of my gaming time so it’s difficult to just give up a Windows install.

    sederx,

    we shouldnt value childrens opinions in adult conversations

    Jako301, (edited )

    Doing all that takes about 2 hours. The shady ass tool is also unnecessary since you can manually change the registry entries. Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.

    Linux meanwhile only takes half an hour to setup and update (if we are talking about a beginner friendly one like mint cinnamon), but you will use a lot more hours trying to get everything to run. There rarely are good drivers for peripherals, to get even slightly more then the most barebone functions of my logitech gear I have to run a shady github project someone slapped together 3 years ago. The adaptive clock on my laptop doesn’t work, I loose about 2 hours of battery life and the touch pad stops working after a few hours.

    I dualboot a win10 ltsc version and mint. By now most stuff runs fine on Linux, but it has taken me 10 times the effort to get to that state compared to windows. And even now I occasionally have to fiddle with wine cause it decides that this specific programm isn’t to its liking. And that’s ignoring the issue it was to run anything with anticheat. That requires a VM with GPU passtrough to even remotely work.

    AI_toothbrush,

    In my experience everything already had drivers installed on linux. I think with the logitech stuff you mean the stupid configuration ui that would perfectly work on linux but they choose to not port it(you can still use it with wine for example). All my keyboards have qmk so that works on linux. A github project is much less shady because you can check the source code. Idk whats wrong with your trackpad. Battery life is hit or miss on linux, i get more hours on linux currently but only after installing some stuff. On ubuntu or mint the battery life should be good out of the box. Anticheat is basically anti-linux so ofc it wont work. For me backwards compatibility is better on linux than windows. When i try to run old software on windows it never works. Software support is pretty good nowadays but some professional stuff wont work. If you do that you should go mac lol.

    Honytawk,

    Good on you, but that is far from everyones experience with Linux.

    sederx,

    Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.

    cybercriminal heavy breathing

    Jako301,

    That’s only an issue if you torrent your stuff in which case linux wont save you. A windows virus/cryptominer/keylogger/etc. won’t natively work on Linux, but it will work if used with wine.

    sederx,

    You joking right? Torrents are not the main attack vector XD who told you this fairy tale?

    Also imagine using wine, wtf

    stergro, in Everyone loves snaps

    I am a Linux user for over a decade but I have no idea what this discussion is about. Can someone give me a tldr? I install some software using apt and some using the store and never have any issues.

    RmDebArc_5,
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    If you install an app with apt and it has a snap it automatically installs the snap

    Kethal, (edited )

    I believe snaps are only installed by default on Ubuntu at this point. Debian has apt and I don’t think it installs a snap version unless you asked for that.

    lemann,

    I don’t think debian even has support for snaps built in, unless I’m mistaken? Most ubuntu derivatives also rip them out lol

    Kethal, (edited )

    Snaps are ways to ship software where everything is bundled together and the developer doesn’t need to sort out dependencies on the distribution. This often makes the package bloated. It has no direct benefits for users, but it makes life easier for developers. Thus, indirectly, users might get access to some software they would otherwise need to compile if no one’s got it readily available for the user’s distribution. Ubuntu appears mostly to be using it because they don’t want to bother sorting out dependcies. On Ubuntu, and only on Ubuntu as fast as I know, some packages in apt will install the snap version silently, which, I think rightfully, annoys a lot of users.

    There are similar alternatives, like flatpak, which also bundle dependencies. Some aspects of snap are proprietary to Canonical, the makers of Ubuntu, so you’ll find people who are ok with the somewhat bloated software if it makes software more widely available, but aren’t happy with a proprietary format in what is largely an open community.

    joystick,

    Also sometimes run into weird permission problems with snaps, like with keypassxc browser integration.

    brothershamus, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
    @brothershamus@kbin.social avatar

    what telemetry?

    RmDebArc_5, (edited )
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    Which version of Ubuntu you’re installing (including which flavour), Whether you have network connectivity, Hardware stats, including CPU, RAM, GPU, etc, Your device vendor (e.g., Dell, Lenovo, etc), Your country (based on the time zone you pick, not IP), How long your install took to complete, Whether you have auto login enabled, Your disk layout (how many hard drives and partitions you have), Whether you chose to install third party codecs, Whether you chose to download updates during install

    (According to OMG!Ubuntu) Most distros offer optional telemetry, but Ubuntu’s is opt out not opt in (for GNOME you have to separately install the telemetry)

    IsoKiero,

    Ubuntu’s is opt out not opt in

    I haven’t installed ubuntu in a while, but in EU you need to have prior consent from the user to gather any kind of data and if I remember correctly I haven’t seen such thing. And it’s not enough to bury that into documentation and say ‘if you use our software you allow us to blah blah’, you must get consent via an action from the user which spesifically allows that, so if telemetry comes silently with ‘apt dist-upgrade’ it’s not enough.

    InFerNo,

    I wish you the best in filing a complaint

    brenno,

    In Ubuntu in the post install screen theres is the telemetry screen where they explain it, allow you opt out and give you a json example of the data they’re collecting from your machine.

    someacnt,

    That sounds surprisingly tame list.

    ExLisper, in Stability

    I’ve been using Debian sid for over 40 years now and never had an issue with a broken package. What is this about?

    Pantherina,

    I think you did it wrong

    EfreetSK, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
    @EfreetSK@lemmy.world avatar

    Looking at your history, you really hate Ubuntu u/RmDebArc_5, don’t you?

    RmDebArc_5,
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    I don’t hate Ubuntu, it used to be my favorite distro and I haven’t found anything that really replaces it. I hate Canonical for destroying my favorite distro

    friend_of_satan,

    Debian 12 is the best destination after Ubuntu if you’re switching because you hate stupid Canonical things. I switched a few months ago and it was really easy and has been awesome.

    RmDebArc_5,
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    I used Debian quite a while after switching from Ubuntu, but the outdated packages made me quit. I will probably try Debian testing/sid soon

    electric_nan,

    Linux Mint Debian Edition. Has a lot of the comforts and niceties you got from Ubuntu compared to Debian.

    Lettuceeatlettuce,
    @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

    Been using this for the last few months on my laptop, overall a pretty solid experience.

    pete_the_cat,

    Go with Arch, it has just as many packages available as Ubuntu and more, if you use the AUR. If you want something more stable/less changing use the LTS kernel instead of the mainline kernel.

    RmDebArc_5,
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    Currently on EndeavorOS

    hersh,

    Debian Stable is an excellent replacement for Ubuntu LTS.

    Mint is an excellent replacement for mainline Ubuntu.

    rikudou,
    @rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

    Linux Mint?

    18107,

    Linux Mint Debian Edition

    jimmydoreisalefty, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now

    Oh no…

    Why would they do this to themselves?! Why?!

    Prunebutt, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now

    What??? For realsies???

    SquishyPandaDev,
    @SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

    Haven’t kept up with Ubuntu, but I believe this. It’s in line with Canonical’s behavior. They are very corporaty

    umbrella, (edited )
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    Kind of, they have announcements in the terminal sometimes and telemetry wont go out unless you confirm you want it to. I personally have it disabled, but its not invasive.

    rockSlayer, (edited )

    This is the “ad”. Personally, I don’t think a little plug like this is worth any kind of fuss. If it were a real ad or something, then yea I would get it.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d9532407-3580-4780-abe3-eaafe640c3c9.jpeg

    Lime66,

    I have never seen this ever

    majestictechie,

    Yeah, plus given you can get pro for free it really seems more like a announcement than an ad. Slippery slope though.

    folkrav,

    What’s an ad if not a commercial announcement?

    Kusimulkku,

    I guess it doesn’t seem as much of an ad if it’s something free they’re promoting. As it would be for most users.

    folkrav,

    It’s a commercial offering with a free tier.

    Kusimulkku,

    Yes and most users would be in the free tier

    folkrav,

    So it’s still an ad to a product, or it’s not?

    Kusimulkku,

    I guess it doesn’t seem as much of an ad if it’s something free they’re promoting. As it would be for most users.

    cosmicboi,

    This is not what I would consider an ad. I also remember seeing it only once

    zzzz,

    I mean… It is literally an ad. I don’t see how you could not consider it one. You could claim it doesn’t bother you or isn’t too intrusive or something, but it most certainly is an ad.

    cosmicboi,

    I agree that it’s not a very intrusive ad

    galmuth,

    Yeah, this isn’t that bad. It’s just a suggestion after running an apt upgrade. NPM has similar plugs which I don’t find too annoying.

    In fact its not even as intrusive as NPM’s funding requests, as it is only 2 lines of text, plus it looks like Ubuntu Pro is free for personal use.

    Th4tGuyII,
    @Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

    While I'm not bothered by this in particular, like other people have said, it feels like the top of a very slippery slope that I would be bothered by

    rockSlayer,

    That’s pretty much how I feel about it. This specific method is alright by me, but it could very easily become something intrusive.

    daftwerder,

    this plus the snap crap they’ve been doing was enough for me to switch to Debian

    spudwart, (edited )
    @spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

    I went through the entire cycle.

    • Ubuntu
    • Pop_OS!
    • Mint
    • Manjaro
    • Arch
    • Fedora

    And finally I’m at Debian.

    dukatos,

    You missed Slackware

    Rodeo,

    And he still hasn’t arrived at Gentoo.

    crispy_kilt,

    He’s still compiling

    crispy_kilt,

    Did you just tell us that you did in fact use Arch?

    spudwart,
    @spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

    I once used Arch, but I decided to go to Debian as it is stable.

    sederx,

    It is a real ad though…

    TangledHyphae,

    Technically, but it’s coming from the same servers your packages are being downloaded from, right?

    DmMacniel,

    I don’t think that’s from a server but instead it’s baked into apt. Or some post-install trigger.

    TangledHyphae,

    Post-install trigger was my guess… I used to have to build .rpm’s unfortunately but no apt experience yet.

    theneverfox,
    @theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

    I agree that I wouldnt call that an ad, but it’s a pretty distasteful plug

    aberrate_junior_beatnik, (edited )

    I’ve been getting ads like these for years on my ubuntu server.

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">n additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Learn more about enabling ESM Apps service at https://ubuntu.com/esm
    </span>
    

    This is on a machine running 20.04. Never bothered me. All my other machines are Debian now, and at some point I’ll switch that one too.

    Grabbels,

    I see a lot of people comment that this isn’t that bad and that it might even be acceptable, and that’s exactly the problem here: it’s a gateway drug and if we normalise this, Canonical will keep pushing the limits of what they can pull off before it’s not acceptable anymore, and that sounds when it’s too late.

    Diplomjodler,

    An ad is an ad and this definitely is an ad. This is the kind of shit that made me quit Windows and it would make me quit Ubuntu if I was using it.

    rockSlayer,

    Different strokes and all that. I’m personally ok with the way this is done, but I can also see why people wouldn’t like it at all

    jaybone,

    I use Ubuntu and I haven’t seen ads in the terminal.

    But I see everyone complaining about them.

    What am I missing here?

    halvo317,

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  • batmaniam,

    I’m newer to linux, and kind of a moron, but I 1) bounced off Ubuntu and 2) haven’t seen this crap with Debian.

    v81,

    I think this is the best take. This alone if it went nowhere is fairly harmless.

    But I think we know what it really is, is the start of a slippery slope.

    folkrav,

    This. Any unsollicited communication that’s meant to make you investigate or buy a commercial product is an advertisement. That’s all. Is it less intrusive than the TikTok ad in Windows start menu, I think it may be, but it’s still an advertisement, by definition.

    Kusimulkku,

    Ubuntu Pro seems to be free for regular users (on up to five machines).

    Would bother me a lot more if it wasn’t a free service. Now it’s ehh

    folkrav,

    As I mentioned in another comment, it’s still a commercial offering, that happens to have a free tier. Would we be okay with a YouTube link in the same spot?

    Honestly, it doesn’t bother me that much. It’s more that you can see a more and more corporate-y trend in Canonical’s decision making, which I personally don’t really care for. If I used Ubuntu with the default shell I’d probably just override the MOTD and go on with my life.

    Kusimulkku,

    Would we be okay with a YouTube link in the same spot?

    Like, promoting Youtube or just a link to a Youtube video promoting Ubuntu Pro or what do you mean?

    folkrav, (edited )

    A link promoting any other commercial product with a free tier. Like AWS, or YouTube.

    Kusimulkku,

    I wouldn’t be really bothered if Google promoted Youtube in their product. I’d expect it, really.

    _dev_null,
    @_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz avatar

    Is it less intrusive

    For me it is, I would’ve never ever expected an ad on cli, on a local install, on my machine.

    Logged into an ec2 and see an advert? Sure. But not on my own shit. It’s a true “ah fuck I can’t believe you’ve done this” factor.

    miss_brainfart, in Cinnabuntu
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    Scandalous

    BuddyTheBeefalo, (edited ) in Bye bye edge

    There are no apple ads on twitter.

    JCreazy, in Useless messenger

    Why are we installing Whatsapp to begin with?

    nixcamic,

    Where I live everything is on WhatsApp. You want to get ahold of a business: WhatsApp, friends organizing a party: WhatsApp, want to check the traffic: WhatsApp.

    MareOfNights,

    Same here. Just check out of society and you’re good (:

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