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Sir_Simon_Spamalot, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

Jokes aside, this kind of gatekeeping behavior is what gives Linux a bad name. Also, you don’t have to be a beginner to love Linux Mint.

Pantherina,

You just have to not care about Wayland ;D or modern software

Thcdenton, in The successor should be called Plan 69 from Bell Labs

My beard isn’t thick enough for Plan 9 😔

brochard, (edited ) in The successor should be called Plan 69 from Bell Labs

RedoxOS >>> It’s written in Rust and is learning both from the success of Linux by being source compatible with it and from smaller/experimental OS like Plan9, seL4, Minix and BSD.

PepeLivesMatter, in Bye bye edge
@PepeLivesMatter@lemmy.today avatar

As someone who has has tried repeatedly for more than ten years to use Linux, Linux is already doing a good enough job at that without their help.

MyCodeZero,
@MyCodeZero@lemmy.world avatar

Just try fedora, its easy

PepeLivesMatter,
@PepeLivesMatter@lemmy.today avatar

I’ve been a software engineer for many years so trust me when I say this has nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to install. I used to run Gentoo at some point so I’m not exactly CLI averse. The problem isn’t the installation, it’s maintenance. Shit just keeps on breaking for no reason and I’m tired of figuring out how to fix it.

Linux is simply an enormous timesink. It constantly needs handholding and babysitting in order to work. And it doesn’t even reward you for it with a superior user experience, just a steady stream of problems to fix. Windows might not be perfect, but it at least it works. Meanwhile, Linux is like an insecure girlfriend, it constantly needs reassurance that you still love it.

puppy,

Linux needs constant babysitting? Hmm I wonder why the majority of the internet servers is Linux not Windows. Even in critical infrastructure where stability is valued, not cost.

However you can’t choose a bad distro (bad for your needs that is) ans expect a flawless experience. When I read your first sentence I expected you to be a video editor or in a field where the industry standard software is only limited to Windows. But if your a developer it’s 100% your fault. I am running Linux for over a decade with zero problems. Only time when I had a problem, I was running Arch (btw) and updating the system blindly, daily.

PepeLivesMatter,
@PepeLivesMatter@lemmy.today avatar

Oh yes, Linux is great for servers, not doubt, but on the desktop, not so much. Unless all you do is administering Linux servers, I guess.

ky56, (edited )

You aren’t dynamically changing configs, libraries and programs on a production server like you are on a user facing system. That the killer. Linux servers are only stable when you leave them alone.

Updates to servers are generally done by beta testing them on identical hardware in the lab and when you have a functioning image you send that to production. To expect that kind of treatment on a user facing system when you say update the web browser would be beyond unacceptable.

As long as GNU/Linux systems continue to have ABI compatibility issues and general buggy issues between updates, it will never be considered a decent user facing system.

Also the quality of code for CLI programs is far more roadtested than GUI related code since there are major corporate efforts to make Linux servers more stable. Since GUI systems aren’t needed for servers they don’t get the same level of attention. That attention comes from the KDE and gnome foundations which don’t have nearly the same kind of money.

There’s a reason people are celebrating Valve contributing to KDE and related GUI projects as there’s finally some real money being thrown at the problem with real results.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Those servers aren’t being changed almost ever outside of required updates, a user workstation is much more volatile in regular everyday use.

You sound like you have hobbyist level IT knowledge.

puppy, (edited )

You sound like you have hobbyist level IT nowledge.

Then I should be grateful that my employer is paying me despite my hobbyist level knowledge.

Honytawk,

Whatever your employer pays, they are overpaying you.

puppy, (edited )

I have had zero problems with Linux so I lack knowledge and am overpaid? You have problems therefore you are paid fairly? Hmm sounds very logical. Any critical infrastructure project would be lucky to have you.

Furthermore, you have told another commentor in this same thread that they reek of incompetence because they have a 7 hour Windows install, yet I am being overpaid because I don’t have any problems in Linux? So a competent developer should breeze through Windows but should struggle in Linux? Is that it? Kinda contradictory don’t you think?

sederx,

skill issues

Wilzax, in The successor should be called Plan 69 from Bell Labs

Stock debian >>>

pineapplelover, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
queue, in Linux mint = best beginner distro
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Linux Mint has a Debian edition available, I’m curious about that one.

kirk782,
@kirk782@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It is a long term release based on Debian so that if Canonical goes down someday and Ubuntu falls, they will have a fallback base distro to remain on.

BlackPit, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

I’ve tested over 40 Linux distributions over a long span of time, but I’ve never tried Mint. The reason being that all three times I’ve read something nice that inspired me to try it again the download hashes don’t match, and we find out their servers were compromised. How’s that going?

OsrsNeedsF2P,

In 5+ years of OSS, only once have I even heard of hashes not matching and a build server being compromised, and it was fixed within 30 minutes. It was also a very big deal.

Basically, what you’re saying and what a quick search on Google shows seems to suggest user error.

BlackPit,

Lol, well there’s no way I can “prove” it not having taken screenshots and archived them. It’s been well over five years since the last time. I’ll save you the humble boast, but no user error here regarding verifying ISOs.

Mio, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

Why don’t Windows/MacOS need snaps/flatpak?

OsrsNeedsF2P, (edited )

Because every app gives it’s own installer and annoying “Please update!” popup

riodoro1, in If linux distros were WW2 tanks. Made by a guy who tries to play War Thunder with linux.

Im really curious as to why arch is always criticized for lack of reliability. Ive set up mine btw a long while ago, update it once a month if I remember and it just works™

Ive used debian previously and every second update left me with fucked up nvidia drivers and needing to boot to shell.

ichbinjasokreativ, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now

Telling people about in-house programs in this manner is fine imo. If it was third party stuff I’d leave Ubuntu, but as it stands it’s still a great distro.

eskimofry,

“You’re right Mr. CMO! The frogs are warming up!”

XTornado, in Bye bye edge

The year of Linux cancelled. /s

puppy, (edited )

The year of the DESKTOP Linux. Linux has already won everywhere else.

larsloveslegos, in what's your ubuntu?
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve always enjoyed regular Ubuntu but Linux Mint is a favorite. I’d install that before anything else. I’ve used both on my school laptops with great success. I’d use Linux as the default if it wasn’t for gaming, which is why school laptops (laptops owned by me, used for school) are the perfect use case.

NightFantom,

These days gaming on linux is pretty good, lots of games run better than on windows. Typically the only thing that doesn’t work (on release, often afterwards it gets fine) is (shitty) DRM/anticheat like denuvo.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what I’ve heard. Maybe I’ll give it another shot one day, I just lack the time.

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

They are correct 100%. 99% of things work without issue or with minor fixes. (protondb.com for any issues you have.) I recently switched from Windows to Linux myself and ended up going with Mint.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for the reassurance! I’ll definitely have to do some testing

mr_satan,
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

I’ve been running ubuntu and then pop_os for a couple of years now and honestly, I’m surprized how much stuff just works out of the box.
There are times when I need to tinker with the OS to make one thing or another work properly, but proton DB is quite a good resource for that. And I like it so it’s not a big deal if I need to spend an hour messing around with the configurations.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not as lucky when it comes to figuring out problems. I’ve had bad luck with pop_os, at least when I tried it a few years ago. I’m impressed with proton DB in how far it has come but I don’t have much experience with it.

janonymous,

+1 for Linux Mint

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

do you use windows for your gaming machine?
i had to install it on a family laptop because of some apps that worked on windows only. I wanted to install a locked-down version of it and came across reviOS. it’s a stripped down version of windows with cruft removed. it was very very fast(almost comparable to my Debian machine). perhaps it’d be of interest to you if you’re into privacy. An alternative to that is winutil, which is basically a script to debloat windows.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll have to look into those and experiment on VMs. Thanks for the info! I used to use Windows 10 LTSC and it worked great, but I wanted the Microsoft Store to experiment with ray tracing in Bedrock Edition of Minecraft as SEUS’s PTGI wasn’t free at the time. I use Windows 11, I’m familiar with debloating the OS since Windows 10 came out. Usually I use Spybot Anti-Beacon 1.6 and WinAero Tweaker. I then remove all the useless apps I can with a script :)

orcrist, in Bye bye edge

I disagree with the premise, but even if it’s true that people stay with Windows because it sucks less, that’s still a success story for Linux. External comparative pressure leading to more end user freedom. Think of where it could go next!

eskuero, in what's your ubuntu?
@eskuero@lemmy.fromshado.ws avatar

Which color is hannah montana linux

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

purple, for royal beings only.

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