mateomaui,

Debian guy could have saved time by connecting to lan after boot and installing the wifi package directly.

everett,

Or for laptops with no Ethernet, USB-tether a phone.

mateomaui,

I completely forgot there are laptops with no lan port now.

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

NOT IN THIS HOUSE THERE AREN’T, YOUNG MAN!

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

For some reason, this didn’t work on my old phone after installing PixelExperience 11 on it.
There’s a third way. Bluetooth. At least you don’t need a cable, and you’ll save power.

For that reason, I usually use Bluetooth instead of Wi-Fi, unless I need higher bandwidth (except during peak hours of network usage, when my connection speed is below 1Mbps anyway).

caseyweederman,

Or installed Bookworm.

mateomaui,

Guess it depends on hardware, I still had to add the wifi driver for bookworm.

HyonoKo,

Happened to me a few times already that the ethernet drivers are unfree.

mateomaui,

WHAT?! I would have never guessed that. Lan has always seemed to be the one part that’s dependable, no matter what’s booting.

HyonoKo,

Last time was the integrated lan card in an MSI motherboard if I remember correctly.

_cnt0,

shakes fist at heaven

Damned thou shalt be, Atheros gigabit ethernet chip!

woodgen, (edited )

I would like this comic done by an arch user.

I want to see Debain users and Fedora users faces when they noticd they don’t have access the AUR or PKGBUILDs.

I want to see them running sudo make install to install stuff from git.

Also reading the Arch wiki for so long is something new arch users probably do. I installed arch for tens of times btw and for me the system already runs with the installation media.

I am very sure no Debian or Fedora user is done after the installer finishes. Then comes the tricky part of the setup. The one that takes days. Adding ppas and making stuff work fedora doesn’t package.

This process starts with arch right away. From the moment i chroot into my installation.

I actively maintain ~9 computers in my house running arch. Many of them have dual boot arch. E.g. one arch for work, one arch for everything else. One arch for music production, one arch for everything rlse. I run arch on my webserver. I run arch on my home sevrer. I run arch on my wifes gaming desktop. I run arch on my wifes laptop. I run arch on my kids netbook. i run arch on rasberry pi.

btw.

_cnt0,

This comment reads like your man bun is trembling in rage.

Why are Arch users always so angry?

Dingsda, (edited )

I am always a bit disapointed when I install debian every couple of years.

Like, after 1.5 hours, I am like “what, that was all?” Most of the stuff I need is installed by default, just add Jetbrains toolbox, install my ide, add a few more packages and git clone my current project.

Edit: autocorrect changed git to it

ChaoticNeutralCzech, (edited )

Only ever recorded instance of hat-wearing Linux user saying “I’m in” and not meaning an access acquisition

Rocha,

When I first tried to install Arch, I gave up when I got confused with the documentation for an encrypted install.

But since I’ve discovered archinstall, it’s a dream to do and arguably faster to install than other distros.

boomzilla, (edited )

Used archinstall too 3 years ago, btw. The result is still running with no noticeable performance degradation if not rather performance improvements. Games continue to get snappier and look better, I find.

Also it’s stable af. Can coun’t on one hand where I had to intervene on OS updates. On those only one case where I had a terminal after reboot. All were resolved within an hour or so. Driver updates for nvidia just run through. The only time I had to mess with them was when Valve rolled out Steam’s new UI. That’s when I learned about Arch’s downgrade mechanism.

Did 2 manual i3 installs with BIOS boot mode and GRUB before I started using archinstall. I would bitterly fail with manually installing ESP/GPT/UEFI, Dual- and SystemD-boot, KDE, BTRFS, PipeWire. Used archinstall on a few PCs now and had 1 out of 4 where it wouldn’t install. On the 1 archinstall-fail an EndeavourOS Jellyfin/Emulationstation is alive and rocking now.

Ubuntu, Mint or Fedora might be better for beginners than Arch-based but a colleague without prior linux knowledge installed it himself for work and seems to have no problems. The welcome dialogue with update-starter and notifier, package cleaner, arch news reader, nvidia-installer, logviewer, mirror ranking, and links to relevant topics is good stuff. IMO they should pre-install Octopi or Pamac instead of their rudimentary graphical package manager. Endeavour is as stable as Arch so far.

Edit: exchanged PulseAudio with PipeWire which is even better ofc

Communist,
@Communist@lemmy.ml avatar

Arch has an awesome installer now so this is pretty dated.

banneryear1868,

Yeah all the most popular distros have basically been next>next>done since 2010 minimum on most hardware.

pelya,

You don’t install Fedora. You buy a server with pre-installed Fedora and a three-year support contract.

You don’t care about updates. You don’t care if it breaks. You just get a replacement server, covered by a contract.

ninjan,

While RHEL and Fedora are siblings we can’t mix em’ like that. At least I haven’t ever seen a server with Fedora pre-installed, or anyone offering support on a Fedora server…

pelya,

We have a piece of fancy and expensive radio equipment in the office, the control part is a Fedora server, with precompiled binaries that run that piece of hardware. Every system library has frozen version, if you upgrade the OS the whole system stops working, and you just reinstall the disk image from the archive, and by reinstall I mean use dd to overwrite the hard drive partition from a supplied DVD.

ninjan,

Huh, at least it’s Linux I guess? I’ve seen plenty Windows XP hanging around controlling expensive medical equipment and one time even a system were the control part was Windows 3.1. Air gapped not for security but because the server didn’t have a NIC.

_cnt0,

You really shouldn’t run fedora on production servers.

possiblylinux127,

Old comic

_cnt0,

Yes.

AVincentInSpace,

And inaccurate

viperex,

Just plain illegible

kuneho,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

I’m using Debian, btw

peyotecosmico,

This is why I switched from Slackware, it could run in a toaster but by the time I had setup a 5 button mouse others were already doing things.

It’s great for learning tho.

Elliott,

Arch User: If CrossFit Used Linux

trash80,

When did Arch replace Gentoo?

zeet,
@zeet@lemmy.world avatar

You think a Gentoo user would appear in a comic with a graphical interface?

qwertyqwertyqwerty, (edited )

It takes an extra 16 months of work or so, but you can technically get a GUI working in Gentoo.

/s

tdawg,

You just made me choke on tea. I hope you’re proud

nexussapphire, (edited )

Basic kde install, I have it up in 30 min and then I never touch it again. Definitely better than a persistent full system lockup at the installer boot screen or installed system boot screen with no error logs.

It’s probably either my 2070 super graphics card or my MSI x570 ace. Not worth the hassle of figuring out if I can’t find a solution on Google.

I blame MSI because their software and bios was always janky. But hay, you gotta piss with the cock you got.

chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Void Linux supreme light and efficient distro. But I really like Debian and Fedora too.

_cnt0,

Void Linux supreme light and efficient distro.

You are going to love my next contribution.

RubberElectrons, (edited )
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

“contribution”. 🤭

_cnt0,
Magister,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t use plain Debian, use MX Linux to have full up to date everything

backhdlp,
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I think the point of using Debian is to not have that

Lime66,

True but that’s mainly why I don’t use debian

_cnt0, (edited )

Don’t use MX Linux, use plain debian to have full stable everything*.

^*stable ^bugs ^included

Edit: aw man, there’s no reddit style superscript here. Just imagine the fine print.

callyral,
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

^stable^ ^bugs^ ^included^

surround each word with ^

okamiueru,

I don’t remember installing arch. Hm. Can’t have been a big hassle. Is this some kind of meta meme?

CalicoJack,

Yup. It’s a very manual install that’ll let you screw it up, so it’s gained that reputation. But it really isn’t bad if you follow the wiki (or have done it before).

aniki,

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  • CalicoJack,

    That’s only if you use an automated script, and only if it works. ‘Default’ install is almost entirely manual, other than letting pacman grab what it needs to.

    aniki, (edited )

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  • CalicoJack,

    Arch has been daily driver for years, I’m already familiar with the process. There’s an option for a guided system. The default is a terminal with no guidance.

    c0mbatbag3l,
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    My favorite part about Linux users is that they’ll just assume you have no idea what you’re talking about even if you’ve been using it for years.

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