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daniskarma, in Email clients

I use thunderbird, though it really feels like it has terrible performance for me. Feels like a really heavy program for just an email client.

Still better than having ads on your client.

i_am_hiding,

Thunderbird is great for me. I’ve used it for near on twenty years, and it flies compared to Outlook, especially for searching.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Very fast for me as well. I just launched it to check, and it took just a second or two to cold launch it.

Takes a few more seconds to refresh and get new messages. I think it’s actually faster than checking my email in browser, especially since one of my email addresses is the Yahoo! account I created in the 1990s and use for junk subscriptions.

Kidplayer_666,

The problem is. Nowadays all email clients have to be browsers cause email text is sent as html

Holzkohlen,

That new design update definitely made the performance worse. And it looks pretty much the same anyways. Wish I could just revert it to the old one.
What sucks the most is Dark Reader. Previously it worked fine for emails, but now it always takes a second to load. I’ll never forgive the thunderbird devs for this “update”.

MrShelbs, in Email clients
@MrShelbs@lemmy.ca avatar

Back when I was on windows, I didn’t even bother with clients anymore. The new outlook has ads in it and barely works.

I use Thunderbird now since they updated their interface and it’s very pretty and fast. Couldn’t recommend it enough.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Yeah, I never thought I’d use a dedicated email client anywhere but work, but Thunderbird is really good.

I also use K-9 on mobile, which I like even more, but marking messages as spam never seems to stick. I still keep getting absolute trash from Google, even though I unsubscribed to updates a long time ago.

WashedOver,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

I was a K-9 user for a time there. I sprung for the Nine client’s 1 time buy for my work email so I could control with a schedule notifications and mail retrieval.

I now use it for my Gmail client so I can add inline photos to my messages on Android.

whenigrowup356, in Help! My family's starving and I only know how to play 1947 West Siberia Economic simulator...

LegendOfTotalWar feeling this rn

nfsu2, in I value this meme at eleventy billion and won't take a cent less
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

I think it defies the concept of property in its core.

ColonelSanders, (edited ) in Possums are cool though.

looool that’s the part I’m currently at rn 🤣

psmgx, in Discord mods get it all?

charles de gaulle if he was a NEET incel

satans_crackpipe, in Possums are cool though.

CIA works for the racoons. Man.

Chakravanti, in Possums are cool though.

That is NOT a raccoon. The guy really did commit suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.

ObviouslyNotBanana, in SLAMMER
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

wat

Dirk, (edited )
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar
ColeSloth, in Impossible

I’m 40 and grew up gaming. Your mom is probably younger and also grew up around games. Online gaming has been a thing since the 90’s. Your parents aren’t like my parents were. They won’t call your Playstation a Nintendo.

JeffKerman1999, in i don't wanna taco 'bout it

What’s with Americans and food intoxication?

devfuuu,

I heard they have eggs washed at supermarkets, what would you expect?

riodoro1,

They eat so much processed shit that when they eat a bit of lettuce, tomato and cream on a taco they get diarrhea.

This and maybe lack of food safety oversight

chooglers,

at burger king they spit on the onion rings

TheGiantKorean,
@TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not a great thing to be able to do, but at least we do it well?

0x4E4F, in ¿¿Que??

Yeah, I never got the upside-down questionmark as well 😂.

bleistift2,

*either

Grammar nazi out.

0x4E4F,

Yes, that would be better 👍.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s so you can start reading a sentence in the correct intonation

magnetosphere,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

This can’t be right. It’s far too simple and logical. I’m a native English speaker, and I’m used to grammar that’s nonsensical and inconsistent.

araozu,

In spanish questions intonation changes occur only on the last word(s), not the whole sentence. I’m not a linguistic, but I think it’s so you can be sure a sentence is a question from the start.

When reading english sometimes I assume a sentence is an affirmation until I see the question mark, and then I have to reinterpret the sentence. I wonder how it is for native english speakers. Do they assume nothing until the sentence is finished?

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

You are indeed right, my explanation was poor. But for other languages it is very common to get surprised at the end of sentences, yes.

dustyData, (edited )

In English most questions stay flat and only raises the pitch on the last syllable, if any. In Spanish we can raise the pitch on the first word and stay flat for the rest of the question. That’s what’s useful about the ¿

araozu,

Solo me fijé en la ultima palabra, no en la primera. Tal vez nunca me di cuenta que si cambia

curiosityLynx,

In spanish questions intonation changes occur only on the last word(s), not the whole sentence. I’m not a linguistic, but I think it’s so you can be sure a sentence is a question from the start.

That might be the case in the dialect you’re familiar with, but “¿Me dijiste que no te moleste?” has a different intonation to “Me dijiste que no te moleste.” in my Spanish (starting from “dijiste”).

As for English, questions normally start either with a question word or a (auxiliary) verb, while affirmations normally start with the subject. See “You told me not to bother you.” vs. “Did you tell me not to bother you?”. Using just intonation is possible (“You told me not to bother you?!??”), but when in writing, it’s usually formatted in a way that highlights it because it usually indicates outrage/disbelief.

araozu,

Interesting. Afaik what determines a question is a higher pitch, so in your sentence I wouldn’t think of the sentence as a question until I hear the intonation of the last word.

Like, toda la oracion puede tener cualquier tono, pero si la última palabra tiene un tono mas agudo (molesteee en vez de moleste) recien cuenta como pregunta.

Me puse a pensar y escuchar conversaciones, fijandome si el tono cambia siempre en la ultima palabra, o en algun otro lado, y en donde vivo (casi) siempre el tono cambia en la ultima palabra, incluso solo la ultima silaba.

Me pregunto si de donde eres toda la oracion (o, desde “dijiste”) el tono es más agudo, o si usan otra forma para diferenciar?

curiosityLynx,

The higher pitch for the entire sentence is another option in my Spanish, but indicates outrage.

The version where you hear it’s supposed to be a question from the word “dijiste” is more of a request for information, like if your mom yelled something and you’re not sure if she said “No me molestes” or “No te sorpreses” or something else that sounds vaguely similar or if she was actually yelling at a fly that was going on her nerves.

The sentence overall becomes more melodic, with the stressed syllables getting a higher pitch and more defined stress.

jmcs,

In Spanish questions are phrased the same way as affirmations, when you are speaking the only difference is the intonation. Without a mark to say you are starting to read a question it’s possible that the meaning changes in the end which would be annoying. (Source: Portuguese is the same but has no inverted question mark, and sometimes it’s mighty annoying, especially with long questions)

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Yeah that’s true for any language really

IWantToFuckSpez, (edited )

Not really. In my language subject and verb get switched around in a question. So you immediately know it’s a question when you start reading the sentence.

Anamana, (edited )
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Can you give me an example?

Edit: Ok thanks guys, I got it :D

nickwitha_k,

I know you already got it but a few others came to my mind:

Finnish, which not a tonal language:

  • Sinä pidät kahvista. (“You like coffee.”)
  • Pidätkö kahvista? (“You like coffee?”)

Japanese:

  • Anata wa kōhī ga sukidesu. (“You like coffee.”)
  • Kōhī wa sukidesu ka? (“You like coffee?”)

I think you’ll find the pattern of question words/suffixes in nearly every language that is not explicitly tonal.

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Yeah that’s initially why I thought there was no difference to Spanish. But the difference is Spanish actually doesn’t have an option where you switch subject and verb. Didn’t know that :)

nickwitha_k,

Oh. Very good point. I did not know that either.

araozu, (edited )

Maybe

  • I do like cats
  • Do I like cats?

but taken to the extreme?

aka_oscar,

Can you give me an example - Question

You can give me an example - Affirmation

IWantToFuckSpez, (edited )
  • Hij schreef een bericht. (He wrote a message)
  • Schreef hij een bericht? (Did he wrote a message?)
stebo02,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

Zeg eens, waarom wil je zo graag met een CEO slapen?

IWantToFuckSpez,

Fuck Spez daarom

octoperson,

Portuguese is the same but has no inverted question mark, and sometimes it’s mighty annoying,

¿What if you just used them anyway?
¡Problem solved!

Kidplayer_666,

É de facto irritante. Nada como estar na escola e um prof pede para ler. Estás calmamente a ler o texto e de repente tens de forçar a porcaria da entoação para sobrecompensar o facto de que não reparaste que era uma pergunta

tdawg, (edited )

Funny enough English does this all the time:

  • That’s food.
  • That’s food!
  • That’s food?
  • That’s food?!
  • That’s food…

All have different intonations and punctuation but are otherwise the same. Internet lingo does compensate for this somewhat but at least in “proper” form the above holds true for all kinds of situations

schmidtster, (edited )

1 Food that is edible

2 Tasty food

3 Bad looking food

4 Either happy or disgusted at what was just in your mouth

5 Defending your cooking after it’s referred to as 1-4

jmcs,

Imagine if you could ask questions like “James, Mary, and Jack went to the market last Saturday to buy a shovel, a black bag, and some gloves, to bury Karen’s corpse in the deep dark woods?”

Metal_Zealot,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

No no no, James, Mary, and Jack went to the market last Saturday to buy a shovel, a black bag, and some flashlights, to bury Karen’s corpse in the deep dark woods

bdonvr,

True, though doing this makes it sound incredulous.

In Spanish it’s just how questions are.

margaritox,

English can do that too, but it’s not really a “proper” way of doing it. The proper way would be to say “is that food?”

There are languages where the only way to pose a question is to change the intonation.

Littleborat,

But doesn’t the intonation simply go up in the end? So it’s good enough to stumble over the ? in the end.

margaritox,

I honestly haven’t paid attention where it starts going up. But I always thought that doing the two “?”s in Spanish was pretty clever for that reason.

ElectricTrombone, in Most important movie in my life
@ElectricTrombone@lemmy.world avatar

Komm susser tod begins playing on accordian

weariedfae,
mxcory,

Weird Al sings parody lyrics

shath, in Email clients
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TheCaconym,

Everybody does, comrade

shath, (edited )
@shath@hexbear.net avatar

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TheCaconym,

I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream, right ? still need to play it.

colmear,

I don’t. But I have never used it, nor do I intend to do so in the future. From what I heard I would hate it too if I had used it.

WaxiestSteam69, in Google now

Didn’t we already have this for a breid shining moment with XMPP before Google and others broke it?

nao,

It’s not broken though. They broke their own forks of it.

driving_crooner, (edited )
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Google basically Embrace, Expand, Extinguished XMPP.

hai,
@hai@lemmy.ml avatar

Only “basically”!?

WaxiestSteam69,

“Broke” isn’t really tye right word. The protocol exists and could be used but companies like Google added proprietary atuff that made it impossible to use it as an open universal “system”.

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