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ThatWeirdGuy1001, in I'm a raging introvert
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My problem is I cannot initiate.

If you come up to me and start talking I can engage and keep things going for the most part but if you expect me to start the conversation it’s gonna be a quiet time lol

velox_vulnus, in I don't care that Goku and Frieza have been powering up for the last two weeks; you're not changing it on me

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  • TurtleTourParty,

    We had cable for about 2 years of my childhood before my dad decided it was too expensive again. I have very limited knowledge of some Disney channel shows from 2000.

    I found a Pokémon card once.

    GrammatonCleric,
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    Also most characters are named after food

    velox_vulnus,

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  • GrammatonCleric,
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    Majin Buu/Super Buu/Kid Buu was a fun villain

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yes, people like you need to be used that MIB memory eraser torch on. You have violated atleast 9 of the 10 rules of DB cult.

    criitz,

    Sounds like you have a fine grasp of what Dragon Ball is to me

    eezeebee,
    @eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

    Don’t forget the parts where we get to watch the dust settle

    LapGoat, in Double standards or something, I don't know...
    @LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

    idk, from an american perspective, pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine, whereas the americans that support Russia also support Israel.

    mostly certain.

    bdonvr,

    pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine

    I’d like to see those people square that up with this: thelemmy.club/…/90177c67-3aa3-4cb6-88cb-72c96b2a4…

    LapGoat,
    @LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

    i mean, supporting a country’s current struggle doesn’t equal supporting every view of that country’s leader.

    shrug

    gullible,

    I absolutely cannot keep track of the layers of betrayal and reconciliation. Anyone who tells you that an issue in the Middle East is certain is, at best, benignly unaware. It is utterly unsalvageable on both sides.

    pelya,

    But Israel supports Ukraine, hmmmm.

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Because both Israel and Ukraine are run by Zionist heads. Zelensky is a Zionist, not an innocent Jew.

    alvvayson,

    No, there is a big group that supports Ukraine and Israel.

    And that group includes a majority in Congress, President Biden and (in Ukraine) president Zelensky.

    And then there are also the tankies that support Palestine and Russia.

    Finally, a lot of people are neutral or non-aligned in Israel vs Palestine, including myself, but definitely pro-Ukraine.

    seitanic,
    @seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    So, does supporting Palestine automatically make you a tankie?

    Omega_Haxors,

    Tankie is just a word internet creeps use as a derogatory term for “on the right side of history” so yes it does.

    Facebones,

    Or “people I disagree with that I accuse of saying ridiculous shit that while they never stop saying it I simultaneously can not point to a single instance of it being said”

    Socsa,

    You mean that time that the USSR rolled tanks into Prague because checks notes the socialist government published some newspapers?

    Bro, even Mao Zedong was like “that shit is mega fucked up.”

    Omega_Haxors,

    Said like 99.9999% of people who use that word just use it to mean anyone having left-of-hitler views.

    c0mbatbag3l,
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    It has nothing to do with being left, it’s being authoritarian that makes you a tankie.

    yogthos,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    tankie is to libs is what woke is to nazis

    alvvayson,

    No, you have to support Russia’s invasions of its neighbours to be a tankie.

    sheppard, (edited ) in literally no clue
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    The EU has uncultivated land subsidies. To avoid overproduction of food and overexploitation of the land, the EU pays farmers to keep their land uncultivated. Some countries, like mine, force farmers to uncultivate their land once every N years, and, of course, they get subsidies for this.

    In my region, farmers will plant flowers and let weed grow, since they’re not putting any pesticide. They let the flowers and weeds die and rot at the end of the season. This way, they dont have to put as much fertilizer the next year. I’ve always seen these uncultivated fields full of bees and other pollinators in summer.

    kbotc,

    That happens in the US too. It’s why there’s New York addresses that own huge “fields” of land that’s usually a wetland. The marginal land is protected and they get a corn subsidy from the government to not farm the land.

    DagonPie, in literally no clue
    @DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

    I started doing clover in my yard a year ago and there are so many bees and butterflies now. My neighbor was like “why are you doing that yo your grass??? The previous owners took so long to make that yard look nice”

    itsgroundhogdayagain,

    what do you do about weeds? does the clover stand up to traffic and dogs?

    AngryMulbear,

    Anecdotal evidence. There’s a patch of grass on my land next to a public mailbox that I struggled for years to keep from being a mud pit.

    Haven’t seen a bare patch of dirt since I planted the clover. Holds up great to foot traffic.

    itsgroundhogdayagain,

    does the clover spread?

    DagonPie,
    @DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

    Mine has from what I can tell but ive also seeded it a couple times a year.

    DagonPie,
    @DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

    I dont really do anything about weeds anymore. I let the dandelions do their things. I have some patches of crab grass but it doesnt bother me. The clover doesnt grow very high but when it is full bloom you can tell when it is walked on in high traffic. We have wild turkeys too and they will roost on the clover and it leaves imprints in the ground but it springs back after a day or so.

    WillyWonksters, (edited )

    I couldn’t find a source for this, but I heard that we were convinced to think of dandelions as weeds by the makers of a herbicide so that we would accept the collateral damage.

    OutlierBlue, (edited )

    Dandelions were brought to North America as a food crop. We can eat every part of the plant. They’re an invasive species, but not what I would consider a weed.

    Catsrules,

    Anything can be a weed. All a weed is it a plant growing is the wrong spot in the eyes of a human.

    OutlierBlue,

    Agreed, but Monsanto would love us to believe all kinds of plants are weeds so we buy their chemicals.

    A field of dandelion flowers is beautiful.

    kbotc,

    And also, a field of invasive species that drove out the native plants… Just saying.

    AngryMulbear,

    Lol, you don’t put Roundup on your lawn unless you don’t want a lawn anymore.

    2,4D is the stuff that kills “weeds” but not grass.

    WillyWonksters,

    Oh ok, I must have remembered wrong. I edited to be less specific.

    WillyWonksters,

    Oh ok, I must have remembered wrong. I edited to be less specific.

    DagonPie,
    @DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

    Theres only one plant in my yard i consider a “weed”. It grows almost like a carrot or a parsnip. But it grows a long thick root straight down and has a small leafy part on top. And when you pluck them out it leaves a cone shaped hole. No clue what it is but ive been calling it a tuber lol

    IMALlama,

    We have a chemical free yard that I also plant clover in. The high traffic areas are more clover than grass, which makes me think it holds up better. The clover also turns green earlier in the spring and stays green longer of we’re having a dry spell in the summer. Clover helps keep the grass happy and the pair seem to do a decent job keeping dandelions down, but we have them in our yard too. They don’t bother me at all personally and our kids like them. Thistles are not that common in our yard, but when they pop up I’ll spot treat them since they’re painful to walk on.

    astraeus,
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    “Why are you destroying your yard with an abundance of bees and butterflies? This isn’t fantasy land we need nothing but grass here to look nice”

    DagonPie,
    @DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

    When I moved in the grass was pretty close to the picture in the meme. I liked it at first but then I realized how expensive it was going to be to upkeep and how bad it is for the local ecosystem. I have successfully undone most of that work literally just by planting clover and not mowing down to the bone.

    astraeus,
    @astraeus@programming.dev avatar

    If only everyone realized that grass is just a weed and not worth the maintenance and effort we put into it, it’s sad how ubiquitous it is in some places

    Gormadt,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    And a lot of the times the grasses planted in the US is an invasive species

    Caradoc879, in Double standards or something, I don't know...

    I haven’t heard any reports of Ukrainians slaughtering fleeing civilians, though, so…

    chemical_cutthroat, in Too spookie 4 u
    @chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

    That prosciutto is going to be bone dry.

    Ookami38, in Saw a news story people about people getting arrested for at Wal-Mart for forgeting to scan one item

    Remember everyone, if you see someone shoplifting from Walmart, no you didn’t.

    darcy,
    @darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

    or any big store

    Kusimulkku,

    Where I live people steal expensive steaks and cheese from stores to sell so they could buy drugs. Not the most sympathetic bunch imo.

    ALilOff, in Upgrade to Maternity Plus™ today!

    Excuse me miss did you want the unlimited viewing plan or just the 5 minute package? If you plan longer than 5 minutes I recommend you to go with unlimited, cause it’ll cost you more later.

    rustyricotta,

    And you can pay for and print your pictures after the ride/appointment.

    umbraroze,
    @umbraroze@kbin.social avatar

    Almost every situation can be made hell by introducing an enthusiastic sales person with lots of options to market to you

    beatensoup,

    To see a colored version of the scan, download our finicky app from the App Store, turn on location, Bluetooth, camera, and voice. To zoom into images, upgrade to paid app.

    Ravi, in survival optional.

    We don’t have enough signs to make a speed limit happen - Volker Wissing, German minster of transit (Sadly not a joke: source)

    MonkderZweite,

    Then, uh, get more?

    Ravi,

    Or just say: limit is 130 km/h and remove every sign saying 130 and higher. But that would all be too easy.

    Inktvip,

    Was gonna say, before the Dutch did that stunt with time dependent speed limits the ‘unlimited’ sign just meant 130kph. At the border would be a sign explaining this and that’s that.

    Ravi,

    The FDP target group are above average people that enjoy fast expensive cars and that’s exactly what there politics are about. They are pretty much the only party pushing Porsches e-fuels in whole europe and keeping all incentives for the car lobby up and running.

    netchami,

    That’s the dumbest excuse I’ve ever heard.

    Kbin_space_program, in literally no clue

    Not just the bees, all bugs in North America have seen a 75% die off in the last 20 years.

    Big shocker that songbirds, which eat those bugs, have also seen a massive die off.

    Despite those deniers that still blame housecats, the true culprit is almost certainly pollution and pesticides.

    LordKitsuna,

    I’d say and cars just think about how many bug splatters you see on an average decent trip on the highway now multiply that by the millions of cars on the road daily. It’s not the root cause but it certainly didn’t help

    Gormadt,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    My car used to look terrible after a drive to the local wilderness area, now I’ll be lucky to see one smack my window per trip.

    Kbin_space_program,

    Oh certainly can't help. But we know that the pesticides and herbicides have carryon effects to unintended species. Ones that the parent companies that invented them didn't report on because they don't kill those species. Ones that don't necessarily kill them, but lead to things like the white nose fungus running amock in bats, or lead to Colony Collapse Disorder or other infections in bee colonies.

    kbotc,

    Why would white nose fungus and pesticides be linked in the slightest? The issue with that is tourists who don’t want to admit they’ve been driving from national park to national park visiting each cave along the way without sanitizing anything. Same reason Zebra Mussels are spreading so rapidly. Just like people blaming 5G for COVID: It’s easier to externalize blame rather that come to terms with the, frankly, minuscule amount of spores that are needed to destroy the entire roosting colony.

    crispy_kilt,

    Same in Europe

    cobra89,

    Despite those deniers that still blame housecats

    Both things can be true. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

    Also we have less pollution and pesticide use than we did in the 60s and 70s. Why is it just becoming a problem now?

    DrCatface,
    @DrCatface@lemmy.ml avatar

    less pollution? that cannot possibly be true. according to dr google 1970s world population was 3.7b, now we’re more than double that

    Redscare867,

    I’m the US, the EPA was created in the 1970’s. We definitely have less pollution (of certain types) today than we did in the past. Some notable examples of how disgustingly polluted American skies and waterways were in the past:

    The skies of Pittsburgh, PA

    the Cuyahoga River fire

    Coal Production has also been declining

    And then of course less visible examples like the Montreal Protocol stopping corporations from depleting the ozone layer.

    My point is in terms of greenhouse gas production we are much higher than in the 60’s and 70’s, but we have massively improved in a lot of areas. Of course there is still room to improve.

    theneverfox,
    @theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

    To put that in perspective, let’s say I drink water contaminated with chemicals for decades. Then, “suddenly”, me and half the people i know are sick with cancer and various side effects decades later…

    That’s how environmental toxins work. They accumulate throughout the water cycle and through the food web, and if its less than acute (short term) in effect it statistically hurts a population, such as lowering reproduction or creating birth defects that lower the fitness. Then, once concentrations pass LD thresholds (lethal dose, meaning LD50 will kill half of the individuals of a species on average, LD10 would kill 1 in 10) you start getting mass die offs

    Every water table, all of the soil, every living being is riddled with non-naturally occurring substances. Even though we released more damaging toxins in the 80s, the rate of pollution doesn’t matter - the concentration in various parts of the ecosystem is what matters, and that’s a slow process

    Turun,

    I bet that while we have less general pollution and less dumping trash in the environment kinda things, we have developed much more potent insecticides. And if those insecticides do not degrade within a few weeks they will accumulate in the earth and the water.

    Edit: Wikipedia about one type of modern pesticides: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonicotinoid

    bentropy,

    Yeah, pretty sure your lawn has almost nothing to do with insects vanishing. It’s much more likely the insane amounts of highly potent pesticides we put directly into our food chain. Those pesticides obviously aren’t classified as pollution so we aren’t polluting, we’re killing the environment on purpose.

    Btw. The development and use of neonicotines corelate quiet nicely with the drop in the insects population.

    Gormadt,
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    House cats are making it worse too

    Both things are true

    MoodyRaincloud,

    Housecats were actually keeping the bird population healthy for decades by eliminating the weak. Of course now that habitat destruction and toxins made entire populations weak it is a problem.

    But removing housecats to solve it is akin to drinking out of paper straws to solve plastic pollution. It helps, but it doesn’t do anything substantial.

    kbotc,

    Why would you say that? Hawks and owls were the “natural” predator of North American song birds and I’ve seen plenty of raptors in my large US city. Not like bobcats are suffering population-wise in urban areas.

    FireTower,
    @FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

    Outside cat / feral cats have had massive negative impacts on bird and small mammal populations. Particularly in areas where they fill an ecological niche that the wildlife hasn’t adapted to due to none of the local fauna being in that niche. Hawaii and Australia in particular have this problem.

    MoodyRaincloud,

    Those are indeed special situations where cats are basically an invasive species.

    Here in Europe the correlation between cats and bird population is not so strong. While destruction of habitat and the crash in insect numbers are the big culprits.

    TheSlad,

    Im gonna dig a pit in my backyard and make a pond. Its gonna be a lot of work but it will all be worth it when i sit out on my patio in the morning sipping coffee to the sound croaking frogs, buzzing bugs, and chirping birds.

    Scubus,

    You will want to be careful doing that. It needs to be big enough to have differential temperature so the water moves, therefore aerating it. Without air in the water nothing but mosquitos can live or breed in it. Also, depending on the soil and whether you are above the water line, you may not be able to keep enough water in it between rainfalls.

    I’m sure you can look up how to do one properly, I just want to to be aware it’s not as simple as dig a hole and fill it with water, because that will do more damage than good.

    TheSlad,

    Of course I’ve been doing a lot of research dont worry. And also I’ll be using a pond liner

    mrchuckles,

    “it’s your neighbors fault for having a lawn!”

    meanwhile monsanto……

    sheppard, (edited ) in Double standards or something, I don't know...
    @sheppard@feddit.uk avatar

    The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries’ current heads of state are kinda like “all this land is my country’s, the other country should not exist.” It’s unclear who is right.

    The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine’s government is not claiming half of Russia.

    Vitaly,
    @Vitaly@feddit.uk avatar

    True

    alvvayson,

    That really is the problem. Both sides suck in this war.

    On the one side we have a colonial apartheid regime that tries to steal every inch of land while imprisoning the native population in ghettos and restricting their economic and human development and trampling their human rights.

    On the other side we have a desparate population seething with righteous rage at their oppression that has rejected every attempt at compromise and is only willing to stop once they have fully driven off every last invader off their land, but realistically they don’t have the power or international support to achieve that, and they also never owned every inch of the land, either. So. Their ambition is neither realistic nor righteous.

    While most Israelis are European colonists who could migrate to either Europe or America, not all of them are and it would not be fair to those whose ancestors lived in the region for hundreds of years to become refugees.

    So anyway. I think the EU, UK, USA and Arab league need to come up with a reasonable plan - in consultation with the Israelis and Palestinians - and just force Israel and the Palestinians to accept the most reasonable plan. Both groups are fully dependent on their benefactors, while their domestic politics prevent them from solving it without external pressure.

    bdonvr,

    “Unclear who is right”

    No it’s pretty clear, out with the colonizer government. How is this a question?

    reverendz,

    It isn’t that nuanced. The colonized, subjugated population is rising up rather than laying down to continue getting slaughtered.

    Liberate Palestine.

    absentthereaper,
    @absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    From the river to the sea

    Ejh3k,

    I feel like the people should have some say in who they want governing them.

    BobGnarley,

    Its unlcear who is right? Tell me, who lived there first before the US swung its dick around and displaced all of them?

    cyclohexane,

    all this land is my country’s, the other country should not exist.

    One of those countries is an ethno-religious state that is exclusive of the other. Can you guess which one?

    If you are an ethno-religious exclusivist who says “your country shouldn’t exist only mine!” and I am a country that multi-religious, and say “actually my country should be the prevailing one, not your exclusivist one”, you gotta realize those two are massively different, unlike you portray.

    The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other

    Russia’s original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called “de-nazification” of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.

    I am not claiming what Russia is saying is true, but it is not what you make it seem to make your argument.

    Trainguyrom,

    Russia’s original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called “de-nazification” of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.

    Is that the line this week? They’ve been moving the goalposts so rapidly they must be on wheels (and better maintained wheels than the Russian army)

    The Russian propagandista changed their lines so many times it’s blindingly obvious that there’s no greater good and it was supposed to be a land-grab just like when they invaded and annexed Crimea

    100_percent_a_bot,

    Russias pretext for the war is complete horseshit. They have been supporting the rebels in these breakaway republics that magically appeared just after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. Their support went beyond the usual proxy war/hybrid warfare bs, as hundreds of russian armed service men were confirmed KIA in Donezk and Luhansk.

    Also there’s not a shred of evidence for the secret nazi government of Ukraine (led by a Jewish president) and Ukraines bid to join nato was 1. Years of not decades from its realization and 2. None of Russias business.

    Socsa,

    Remember that time the donbass “rebels” shot a civilian aircraft out of the sky using Russian weapons? Which they had because Russia was not invading Ukraine?

    cyclohexane, (edited )

    Russias pretext for the war complete horseshit

    Why are you arguing with me about Russias pretext, as if I’m telling you I support them? I specifically said I don’t. Stop deflecting please, and argue my actual point.

    100_percent_a_bot,

    OK then please clarify what exactly you mean here:

    One of those countries is an ethno-religious state that is exclusive of the other. Can you guess which one?

    You can only be talking about Palestine here, right? There is limited Muslim representation in Israel and no jewish representation in Palestine.

    If you are an ethno-religious exclusivist who says “your country shouldn’t exist only mine!” and I am a country that multi-religious, and say “actually my country should be the prevailing one, not your exclusivist one”, you gotta realize those two are massively different, unlike you portray.

    Israel has continuously expanded its settlements on the west bank in the Gaza strip. They did so, citing security concerns, in reality there are probably more religious reasons for doing that. The goal with these settlements is to chip away on territories that belong to Palestine.

    Meanwhile I have no doubts that if Palestine had a button that would make all jews evaporate, they’d not hesitate to push it in an instant. Hamas is massively antisemitic and even the more moderate part of Palestine seems to condone the military push.

    This situation is massively more complex than the Russo Ukraine war and there is no obvious good guy you can point to. This seems to bother people and will make the political parts of lemmy pretty insufferable for the next couple of weeks.

    cyclohexane,

    You can only be talking about Palestine here, right? There is limited Muslim representation in Israel and no jewish representation in Palestine

    Israel is a Jewish theocracy by its own admission. Palestine has Muslims and Christians. Palestine was never ruled by a theocracy. The most popular groups have always been secular (example: PFLP). Even the Palestinian Authority is secular.

    Whatever “muslim” representation there is in Israel, it is as good as none and does not change that it is an exclusive theocracy. Literally there is no equivalent to their religious exclusivism in any Muslim-majority nation. It is only matched by militant groups like ISIS.

    Meanwhile I have no doubts that if Palestine had a button that would make all jews evaporate, they’d not hesitate to push it in an instant.

    Source? This is an extremely bad faith argument. “A is genocidal. B has never done so. But I’m sure B would if they could, so that means A is justified!”. Please read that again and tell me you don’t see how ridiculous it sounds.

    And you don’t have to hypothesize. Before Israel was created, and during the increase of Jewish migrations in the 19th century and early 20th, Arabs never enacted any genocide against the Jews or did what Israel does today. In fact, European Jews found it to be a safe haven in comparison to Europe.

    Hamas is massively antisemitic

    Hamas only garners support because it is the only group left putting up a fight. It was never popular before that. But because of that, it has many non-Hamas-ians joining its ranks, and many of them reiterate their support for living peacefully among Jews.

    And its important to point out that Hamas only climbed up to this position because of Israeli support more than a decade ago. This is Israel’s own admission. They did not want progressive groups leading the resistance, and propped up Hamas instead. I’d be happy to cite you Israeli officials saying this.

    even the more moderate part of Palestine seems to condone the military push

    That doesn’t mean they’re anti Semitic. The operation primarily targeted military installations, soldiers and officials. It is resistance against the Israeli state. So supporting this operation is being opposed to the Israeli state, not because they wish to evaporate all Jews. That’s ridiculous.

    This situation is massively more complex than the Russo Ukraine war and there is no obvious good guy you can point to.

    It is quite the opposite. Russia-Ukraine involves two States with crimes on their records, and I only side with Ukraine because Russia is the aggressor. But Ukraine is far from being a good guy. Israel-Palestine is an apartheid state against stateless people getting murdered and expelled from their lands, and their best fight is minor incursions on the border. It is very much a one-sided fight.

    100_percent_a_bot,

    Israel is a Jewish theocracy by its own admission. Palestine has Muslims and Christians. Palestine was never ruled by a theocracy. The most popular groups have always been secular (example: PFLP). Even the Palestinian Authority is secular.

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Demographics_of_the_State_of_P…West Bank Muslim 80–85% (predominantly Sunni) Jewish 12–14% Christian 1.0–2.5%, (mainly Greek Orthodox)[8]

    Gaza Strip Sunni Muslim 98–99%, Arab Christians 0.2% (2,000 to 3,000 est.), other, unaffiliated, unspecified <1.0% (2012 est.).

    At least bother looking some of this stuff up…

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Popular_Front_for_the_Liberati…The PFLP has generally taken a hard line on Palestinian national aspirations, opposing the more moderate stance of Fatah. It does not recognise the State of Israel, it opposes negotiations with the Israeli government, and favours a one-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. […] The PFLP has been designated a terrorist organisation by the United States,[10] Japan,[11] Canada,[12] Australia[13] and the European Union.[14]

    These guys seem like complete nutcases, secular or not. Also they are by no means politically popular, as opposed to Hamas and Fatah.

    Source? This is an extremely bad faith argument. “A is genocidal. B has never done so. But I’m sure B would if they could, so that means A is justified!”. Please read that again and tell me you don’t see how ridiculous it sounds.

    It’s not bad faith at all, they literally have eradicating Israel as their mission goal. And that’s not the first time an arab nation tries something like that, Iraq wanted to kill everyone in Israel with nerve gas in the 90s, that’s why the first golf war happened. Also, Israels genocide is a cultural genocide (which is pretty bad) and I wish they didn’t do what they are doing. Yet I dare you to look up any imagery from the last 72 hours and tell me that you prefer the approach that Palestine is taking in Gaza.

    I’m not going to bother to continue, go outside and leave lemmygrad for a while comrade. Good night.

    cyclohexane,

    At least bother looking some of this stuff up…

    I’m not sure which part of those statistics you think contradicts what I said. Can you please quote which part of what I said contradicts it? Your statistics confirm what I said. Go back and read what I said.

    These guys seem like complete nutcases, secular or not.

    Is this an argument? I am going to ignore it because I find no substance here, but if there’s something I’m missing, let me know.

    Also they are by no means politically popular, as opposed to Hamas and Fatah.

    They were very popular before Hamas became the only group left fighting. Check out the PLO, of which they were a part of. Many of the prominent Palestinian figures were part of PFLP as well.

    It’s not bad faith at all, they literally have eradicating Israel as their mission goal.

    I literally just explained to you why it’s not. Feel free to argue my points directly, rather than restate the same statement I already disproved.

    Iraq wanted to kill everyone in Israel with nerve gas in the 90s, that’s why the first golf war happened

    And the second gulf war happened because of their WMDs. We all know how the state department narrative was correct without any issues at all, right? Right?

    Yet I dare you to look up any imagery from the last 72 hours and tell me that you prefer the approach that Palestine is taking in Gaza.

    Do you want to see the Palestinian child that was burned alive by Israeli fire? I can provide you a link.

    I’m not going to bother to continue

    That’s good. I prefer if you don’t. It’s not a good look. Please don’t spread misinformation elsewhere either.

    100_percent_a_bot,

    Misinformation my ass. Your first statement of “there’s totally Christians in Palestine” disqualifies you as a reliable source of information to any sane person. You can’t live in a world where that statement is factual and my statement that there’s political representation of Muslims in the Israel is wrong. Also nice whataboutism, bringing up the 2nd Gulf War without addressing the very real issue in the first one. Look at pretty much any of the wars fought around Isreal and tell me there’s not at least half a dozen countries around it who’d nuke them out of existence if they could.

    I chose not to continue arguing your other points because I can see that you have a mild case of severe, self inflicted brain damage. The lefty racism of believing that only western people have agency and everyone else is just noble savages isn’t something I can take away.

    I can’t fix that. Go take a shower, it won’t hurt. Get some nice sleep. Talk to that girl. Unplug from the stream of misinformation, that is specifically crafted by ultra right Russian propaganda. It’s all going to be OK.

    cyclohexane,

    Your first statement of “there’s totally Christians in Palestine”

    Yes it’s true. Your own links prove I am right LOL. Not only that, many figures in Palestinian resistance are Christian. Examples: George Habash, founder of the PFLP. Shireen Abu Akleh, she was a journalist that Israelis murdered last year in cold blood.

    There’s an entire Wikipedia article about Palestinian Christians. You might learn something (I doubt it, you don’t seem to be the kind):

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

    nice whataboutism, bringing up the 2nd Gulf War without addressing the very real issue in the first one

    I didn’t imagine you would have so much trouble understanding that the west has a record of justifying war with bullshit claims. The first gulf war was due to, supposedly, Saddam’s involvement in Kuwait and doing horrendous things. It was later proven that the woman who testified in front of the UN to justify this war was lying. More here:

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

    I chose not to continue arguing your other points

    “I only cherry pick the arguments I may have a chance not looking stupid responding to”. I am sorry to break it to you, you look just as stupid in all the arguments, and your cherry picking is not a good look.

    You said you would stop replying yet here you are. I urge you to stop wasting my time and spreading misinformation.

    Last thing I’ll add: you’ve started to engage in adhom attacks. I’m going to let it pass since I personally don’t care, and imo you only embarrass yourself doing them. But if I see you doing that with anyone else in this community, I’ll have to ban you. So please keep your insulting in check.

    100_percent_a_bot,

    Didn’t read your reply but good luck and God bless

    cyclohexane,
    100_percent_a_bot,

    Awww how sweet of you to still think of me

    ComradeChairmanKGB,
    @ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    It’s unclear who is right.

    www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184195/

    1. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

    Seems pretty clear.

    starman2112, (edited )
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Edit: removed implied support for Hamas. Both militaries should burn. Hope for a quick end to the conflict for the sake of the civilians affected.

    Magrath,

    At the end of the day who is Isreal and who Palestine. If no one who was alive when Palestine was around can anyone rightfully claim it the land belongs to “Palestine”. It’s like the ship Theseus or something. Maybe I’m just dumb as fuck.

    Just make the fuck up and work together instead of being greedy bigots.

    cyclohexane,

    can anyone rightfully claim it the land belongs to “Palestine”

    You should tell that to Israel, which is expelling Palestinians from this land every week for decades. It is not the Palestinians who are claiming the land exclusively to themselves and expelling others from it. It is Israel doing that. I find it crazy that you somehow argue this as if Palestine is doing that.

    Anduin1357,
    @Anduin1357@lemmy.world avatar

    Palestinians lost the wars. Multiple wars. At this point there really isn’t a point in contesting against Israel when they can integrate with Israel peacefully instead.

    cyclohexane,

    Israel is not offering “peaceful integration”. Have a look at Palestinians who already live outside of Gaza, in the rest of occupied Palestine. The only choices are leave, suffer or resist.

    Anduin1357,
    @Anduin1357@lemmy.world avatar

    Palestinians don’t offer peaceful integration either, since they like to resist so much as a group that Israelis don’t know who they can trust.

    cyclohexane,

    Your sentence doesn’t make sense. Moreover, the Palestinian stance of most groups has been integration and living together peacefully and happily. “Resisting” their expulsion and the murder against them does not contradict that.

    Anduin1357,
    @Anduin1357@lemmy.world avatar

    Clearly they’re only happy and peaceful with themselves. I wonder why they refuse to move when they’re so clearly unhappy with the communities that surround them.

    Omega_Haxors,

    “Lets have some nuance” people on their way to defend Nazi war criminals

    pancake,
    @pancake@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Palestine has attacked territory that was assigned to Palestine by the UN in 1947. The UN also makes it very clear that a country may lawfully recover occupied territory “by any means, including armed force”. UN laws are thus very clear: Ukraine and Palestine can recover territories by force. Now, that doesn’t mean you should support them in their struggle to do so, but if you don’t, it must be for some other reason (e.g., Israel taking over would constitute a huge strategic gain for the US, while Russia taking over would destabilize the world and thus benefit small or weakly aligned players).

    sartalon,

    Wait, what!? How would this be a “huge strategic gain for the U.S.”?

    You could argue that it’s a proxy conflict between the West and radicalized Muslim states. Sure. I would even listen to a discussion about rich elites using governments to keep areas destabilized in order to further their own fortunes.

    But saying that somehow the U.S. would gain a huge strategic advantage is reaching.

    What would the strategic value be? Is there oil there? Would they put a base there that somehow had more capabilities than facilities they already have in the area?

    This isn’t 5D chess. This is two cultures that refuse to get along, being supported openly, and behind closed doors by larger nations.

    Israel hates it’s neighboring countries for good reason. Those countries hate Israel for good reasons.

    The human rights violations are disgusting and I support the freeing of Palestine.

    But when you do shit like what the Hamas just did, you destroy any sort of moral high ground you may have had. Two wrongs don’t make a right, no matter what your culture is.

    You can’t divorce Hamas from Palestine either, like some commentors are trying to do.

    Tribalism at its worst.

    Takapapatapaka,
    @Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world avatar

    I get that there is lot more nuances than russo-ukrainian, but imo there is a lot more similarities than you seem to imply : both Russia and Israel claimed that the land belonged to them before, that they should get it back, and use violence to kill local people who tried to resist or move them. The only difference is that Israel did it with the help of western countries and partially according to their laws, so they get like an aura of legitimity, but the acts remains quite close.

    I do not like when people basically do not accept violent behavior but accepts them when they are allowed by some law or authority.

    (Also yes Hamas is doing bad things and should be held accountable in some way, just like Ukraine to my eyes. But still, for me it remains obvious who kills more, who steals more, who oppresses more)

    rockerface,

    As a Ukrainian, let’s sort out what we’re accountable for once we’re not getting genocided. We also have a lot of questions to our own government, but I would still prefer it to the Russian

    surge_1, in Double standards or something, I don't know...

    Dumb meme, the 2 situations are not similar.

    generalpotato,

    Yes, one is recent, impacts the West directly and a bunch of white people and the other is Palestine.

    Empricorn,

    2edgy4me

    surge_1,

    Nope, try again

    BirdyBoogleBop,

    How does a long time NATO ally not impact the west exactly? The Israel/Palestine confict has been in the news since I have paid attention to international politics.

    Chunk,

    This entire weird conversation aside, Palestine/Israel conflict does not currently affect the West. It could hypothetically escalate until it affected the West I suppose.

    Also, Israel is not in NATO. They are a “NATO partner” but are not legally tied to the security alliance.

    generalpotato,

    That was the point. When it impacts the West directly, the we in the West decide to make things about right and wrong and morals and cook up excuses to throw more and more money because it serves our interests. When it’s Palestine… we decide to throw all of that out of the window and decide fund Israel (the aggressor) instead.

    CriticalResist8,
    @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    I hope Russia invades your house. Not your country or neighbourhood, but just your house specifically.

    cyclohexane,

    They’re not identical but there are many similarities.

    sock,

    Palestine is attacking israel.

    israel is fighting back

    israel is much more powerful and will level Palestine in an afternoon if they want

    does that give israel the right to level Palestine? no not directly. if you had a country attacking you, killing your citizens and you wanted them to stop and they wouldnt stop no matter what, what do YOU do?

    the US would drop a nuke in this situation to be a moral dilemma 70 years later.

    is Palestine stupid for talking shit and not backing it up yes. is israel overreacting? yes. Hindsight is 20/20 not that israel cares but Palestine should stop trying to be what theyre not

    feel free to educate me as i dont know much about this subject.

    orphiebaby,

    You clearly don’t.

    Lalaz4, in survival optional.

    Anything above the speed limit is illegal.

    Iron_Lynx,

    And in Germany, in many places, that speed limit is not a limit. This is the sign for speed limits you see when you enter Germany. Notice that the “130” is inside a blue square, instead of a red ring. That means the 130 kph speed is only a recommendation.

    Lalaz4,

    So it isn't a limit. That's great information to share but it does not nullify areas where the speed limit is indeed the speed limit

    Zerush, (edited )
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    The Speedlimit on German Highways is only the one that is marked on traffic signs, if there are no signs, the limit is only what the car, traffic or common sense allows. It is also prohibited to go slower than 60 km/h on highways, if there is any reason for this, as it is also prohibited to go with vehicles that do not reach a minimum of 60 km/h. This, in view of the high speeds of others, is also logical.

    On the other hand, in general German drivers are quite disciplined and the police are very attentive to violators, high fines and a point system (with 15 points you can ride a bicycle), where there is a speed limit it is sure that it is controlled by radar and at rush hour there are even helicopters controlling traffic, also with patrol cars with civilian or police cars, all of them high-end (BMW, AUDI, Porsche).

    Those with 300 or more are mostly rich foreigners “Highway Tourists” who want to experience it with their supercars (Japanese, English, and others) because it is the only place where it is allowed.

    Zerush, (edited )
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    Although in Germany there is no express speed limit on the highways, the lines where you can go 300 or more are quite limited and it is only feasible on certain days, since heavy traffic during the week prevents it anyway. On most highways there is a speed limit and it is usually 120 or 130, and these indications come in a red circle and often with radar control. But if not… piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=7BWE2ftcF4Q

    zifnab25, in Double standards or something, I don't know...
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