This might surprise you but the bible isn’t 100% accurate.
Jokes aside: scholars think that the Israelites were a group of Canaanites who lived as “outcasts” in the hinterlands and seized the cities after the bronze age collapse.
So Israelites came when the Canaanites collapsed but the causality is different than depicted in the bible. Also they weren’t that foreign in the first place.
I’m not very familiar with the “history” of the time period, but I know Abraham was a Canaanite. Many Jews (and Arabs) could trace lineage to Canaan, before the collapse.
I’m not sure why you put “history” into quotation. I was referring to history as in archeology.
The arguments are according to pottery and art in general, linguistics and I think genetics too. The first israelite settlements were in the north and therefore not were you would expect them if they arrived from Egypt. I don’t know if Abraham was a historic figure and it honestly doesn’t really matter.
Yeah, iirc the Isrealite ethnic group was a combination of Canaanites and tribes from near Canaan that invaded during the Bronze Age Collapse. Though the religion is mostly Canaanite-derived, Yahweh and Elohim, the two main titles/names used to describe the Abrahamic God in the Torah are descended from the Canaanite gods Yaweh and El, who were syncretized together into a single god sometime before/during the early 1st temple period.
Edit: Though there’s also loads of Mesopatamian influence, the Noah’s flood myth is directly based on the Mesopatamian flood myth that eventually made it into the Epic of Gilgamesh. Plus lots of ancient Isrealite folklore is derived from Mesopatamia, like Lilith, who is probably derived from a kind of demon in Mesopatamian mythology that fed on newborn children and was in league with Lamashtu, who was basically an Anti-Fertility goddess, considered responsible for infant mortality.
This might surprise you but Bible is new book written not so long ago while Israely were there from 10000 b.c. Fighting other local tribes until Muslims where invented and came with all their sadistic hate to other nations and killing infants just like they behave now. No excuses. They need to be wiped out, like Russia and other tumors on Earth.
This might surprise you but Bible is new book written not so long ago while Israely were there from 10000 b.c.
Verifiably no, there’s argument at to if ancient Israel ever existed or of out was a loose confederation like the early German empire.
Fighting other local tribes until Muslims where invented and came with all their sadistic hate to other nations and killing infants just like they behave now.
There’s exactly zero proof of that and literally no one knows who started what or when.
No excuses. They need to be wiped out, like Russia and other tumors on Earth.
While one may oppose and even condemn particular Israeli policies or actions with regard to Palestinians or Israel’s Arab citizens, the fact remains that in no way has Israel engaged in any action with the intent to exterminate, in whole or in part, the Palestinian people.
Indeed, accusing Israel of genocide has the collateral effect diminishing real acts of genocide – such as those that occurred in the Holocaust, against Armenians, and in Rwanda.
Furthermore, it is deeply concerning that Israel is often the only country in the world accused by activist groups of contemporaneously engaging in genocide. Not only is this false as a matter of both law and fact, but it also applies a singularly demonizing double standard to Israel.
Finally, claiming as some do, that there are many “types” of genocide, and Israel is, for example, committing “cultural” genocide, is equally problematic. Regardless of how the term is applied, it is clearly heard and impacts a large audience who hear it as the legal term intended to convey the most awful of human crimes – mass murder and population expulsion – a charge that is misapplied to Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I just bought 4 hard drives. They are the most cutest effective way of storing data for most people. I’m pretty sure tape is more expensive, if it’s not there are other issues like sequentially written data. Anyway, this is a dumb example and I don’t expect old reddit to last.
I have a little theory that the hard drive market will collapse fast once SSDs become 2x the price per GB. My reasoning is that a lot of these setups for large data storage are using four drives on RAID10. With SSDs, those can become just two drives on RAID1 for the sake of redundancy; the speed advantage of adding RAID0 to the mix will be inconsequential. So they can cost twice as much when you’re buying half as many.
Actually I would assume that most people with 3 or more drives are running some form of RAID 5.
With 4 drives and this structure I receive the capacity of 3 drives. The final drive is called the “parity” drive which keeps some kind of copy of the information on it. If one drive fails then I can replace it with a new drive and rebuild the data from parity. This is a long process that requires the data off the parity drive and the other two drives. But you can do this with any disk, from any other three disks.
It’s really cool. Sure there are speed benefits but the real kicker is the size of the pool. With current tech I can fairly reasonably get four 18TB drives SSD’s have a long way to go before they affordably reach that kind of capacity.
How is it hard to believe VLC or hard drives still exist? HDDs remain the most cost effective way to store large amounts of data and VLC is a widly popular open source media player that is often the default media player on linux systems
The “one state solution” is the only real way forward but it’s not surprising it’s not very popular. The Jews would be a minority in this hypothetical country and there are two problems with that:
One, the right wing types types really will only accept a Jewish-dominant theocratic state as an outcome. Everything comes second to that. Even the others feel like they “need” a safe state that’s free from generations of oppression against Jews. There are more Palestinians than Jews right now, so giving those Palestinians any kind of political representation is a non starter.
Two, how do you think the Palestinians feel about Jews right now? How do you think they would behave if given political power right now? I’m not saying they’d all turn around and look for equal but opposite revenge but I doubt they’re happy about all this. Further, do you think the Israelis are going to want to put themselves in that position?
So because of that. while i think the one state solution is the only realistic non-genocidal way forward i’m not optimistic about it coming to pass.
The same reason why in the US we have people attacking trans people (even when they’ve literally never seen one in person) and why our monopoly laws have gone from “chop them up for the common good” to “you better stop it or we might levy a symbolic fine”
The political window has been shifted so far right that the left’s position is “we need to be nicer to the people in Gaza, but really carefully since they’ll subjugate us if they have the chance”
It’s not an accident, it’s a small group of people with a lot of money who are investing it in hijacking discourse for their own power.
If you get on tv and start pitching socialism, you’re instantly dismissed as a radical. You can’t even have the conversation - people don’t understand what that means and will instinctively recite nonsensical talking points, because they’ve been fed those for so long it would take an intensive college course to unlearn enough that they can have the actual conversation of “would this work better”. The vast majority has internalized the idea that “raw dog capitalism is the only feasible system”
It’s the same with Israel. They’ve been fed propoganda so long that you can’t have the conversation - they’ve internalized the idea that Gaza is a bunch of animals who want to kill them, and the furthest left thing you can pitch to them is “well, maybe we should improve their situation economically, but we have to be careful not to let our foot on their neck slip off too fast”
Fun fact - there’s a lot of overlap with the groups doing this in the US and the ones doing it in Israel. By that I mean literally the same groups are funding both propaganda efforts, like the heritage foundation
Have people really forgotten the early 2000s when Hamas would blow themselves up inside cafes and malls in Israel? There’s a reason the border between Israel and Gaza is the way it is and that Gaza has become a “prison” of sorts. When they allowed access to Palestinians from Gaza into Israel, they were terrorized constantly.
They have. The issue is that their country was drawn up, by Europeans, without the consent of the people that were already living there. So the Palestinians, rightfully, don’t want any Israel to be there at all, on account of it being on land stolen from them.
I know a lot of the world is European living in stolen lands, but, surprisingly, none of the rest of the people give a single shot what happened in the last 500 years, they simply just want the intruders gone.
Imo the whole “let’s give Jewish people a state after the holocaust” thing was a good idea, but they should have put it Germany. Germany were the ones who actually Did the holocaust, therefore there’s some argument to be made that they were entitled to German land, you could consider it a form of reparations. There was no argument for Jewish people being entitled to Palestine because their ancient ancestors lived there like 1800 years ago or whatever
Europeans treat Jewish people like shit for thousands of years
creates support for Jewish sovern state
languishes a while but antisemitism gets worse
in typical European fashion it is decided to just start settling where other people already live and force the existence of a country
ww1, Britain and France decide they know how to do a middle east. Results show typical commitment to stability and fairness.
settlement is supported by various and sundry European powers inc German Reich in lead up to and during ww2 because everyone hates Jewish people and wants to foist them off to some other, preferable brown skinned, person’s country.
after ww2 everyone eventually gets mad at the results of this sensitive and thoughtful plan, including European supporters, neighbouring countries, Palestinans, and many Jewish people. Fear and hatred fuel dominance of increasingly aggressive right wing political parties.
everyone except the USA that is. Their government has a blast supply weapons after Britain and France wash their hands and claim guiltlessness.
Afaik palestinians can live and work in Israel in peace. There are still several issues in Israel if you are palestinian but you are a free person who can live there in peace.
I mean as long the Hamas isn’t attacking them you can even live in Gaza and work in Israel.
But in Gaza I don’t think a jew will survive for long.
the Isreali government has a long and increasing history of systematic oppression of palestinian people, both inside and outside of the occupied palestinian territories. amnesty.org/…/report-israel-and-occupied-palestin…
This is definitely not true. If you are Palestinian you don’t have freedom of movement inside Palestine let alone freedom to enter Israel. They’re not all permanently barred (gotta let them in so they can work for Israel) but they’re not free.
You’re also not able to live in peace in Palestine. Settlers regularly come in and drive people out. Food, water. medical supplies, and more are tightly controlled by Israel.
There are non Jews who are Israel citizens, including some Palestinian people, but that’s a different story and those are not the people we’re talking about.
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
The Zionist terrorist of the British Mandate period were founding members of the state of Israel. For example Menachem Begin who later became a founding member of the Likud party which Netanyahu belongs to. These asshats from the start wanted to get rid of all Palestinians/Arabs and get the whole country for Jewish people. That’s why the Zyonist terrorist fist targeted communities where Jews and Palestinians/Arabs were living together in peace. Netanyahu is just continuing this goal and he would rather die than to allow for a stable two state solution to become reality.
Because they don't want it, simple as that. Why do you think they've been illegally stealing Palestinian land and bulldozing their homes for illegal settlements for decades?
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
That is literally what Israel is. 20% of citizens are Palestinian. They have the exact same rights as any other citizen, and representation in the Israeli Parliament.
As far as Gaza is concerned, Israel withdrew all settlers and military almost 20 years ago. Israel doesn’t want any part of Gaza, but the Hamas party who rules Gaza with an iron fist wants to invade and drive out Israel.
There are far more ethnic Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank living in third world conditions, who are denied Israeli citizenship than there are Palestinian Israeli citizens, and even the ones with citizenship are subjected to a level of racism and state violence comparable to Black Americans in the Jim Crow south.
There are about 7 million Jews in Israel and about 2 million Arabs. (With like less than a million “others”? Something like that.) Palestine’s population has been declining (for some… mysterious reason…) but there are still about 5 million Palestinians.
It’s simply a question of the numbers: you can have a theocratic Jewish state of Israel or you can have a representative democracy that gives equal Rights to the Palestinians, but not both. Likud is a party of theocrats and they’ve all decided long ago which is more important to them.
Palestinian. They have the exact same rights as any other citizen
That’s so ridiculously false that you’re either wholly ignorant about the reality of the notoriously discriminate ethnostate that is Israel or deliberately lying to further a false narrative.
Sigh I hate getting into it on social media, but this is just blatantly untrue.
Hamas has shown just how brutal they are willing to be the past few days and they explicitly have in their charter the destruction of Israel. Hamas given the chance would absolutely ethically cleanse all of the Levant of Jews. The PLO has a martyr fund for dying while killing Israelis. Israel not fighting would absolutely lead to complete destruction.
On the other hand, if Israel wanted to, it could completely wipe out any and all Palestinian areas. Palestine has no real air force, navy, or artillery and wouldn’t be able to stop them. The only reason Israel hasn’t done so is they have decided not to.
This isn’t commentary on the entire conflict or the history or who is right/wrong. I’m just pointing out that this is factually incorrect.
Correct, the situation is much more nuanced than a simple sign could say. Both sides have rights and very wrongs about them. The only thing that should really be on signs should be “both sides should stop the violence and talk it through”, but we all know about how well that would go. Still, star trek taught me that should be the goal.
Great point! Have you seen the documentary Star Wars btw? They have some interesting counterpoints on the use of violence against one’s oppressors in the interest of obtaining freedom from said oppressors.
No such thing as a fair fight, ever. Fighting fair is called sport. Fighting is fighting, you win or you die. Winners win, losers die. Would we like that some of the losers weren’t killed? Sure, but you can’t bring back the dead. History will continue, and you will never see an Native American owned and run America, no matter how idealistic that might feel, because they are already culturally dead. Native Americans are 4x4 driving casino operators now, they became Americans.
you advocate for assimilation, a form of cultural genocide
No I didn’t. Quote me where you believe I did. I said assimilation happened, I didn’t support or advocate for it. Show me which words I used in approval. Bet you can’t.
History will continue, and you will never see an Native American owned and run America, no matter how idealistic that might feel, because they are already culturally dead. Native Americans are 4x4 driving casino operators now, they became Americans.
condemning anti colonialism as idealistic because we finished the genocide this time is actually bad if you didn’t know
you immediately went ‘muh fair fight no exist’ after someone pointed out that colonizers used smallpox to kill people. Then had some useless lip service followed by a ‘well, they’re dead now, they lost’.
why the hell should I take you braindead slimeshits as anything but insidious.
you can read your own fucking sentence can’t you? motherfucker don’t you dare act like context and implication, an essential part of language, just doesn’t exist and nothing matters unless you say it word for word.
Quote them if its so easy, quote my exact specific words that say those things instead of your bullshit interpretation.
Funny thing about communication, telling somone else what they meant or said makes you automatically incorrect because they are the one communicating a message. If they say you don’t understand them you don’t understand. That’s called comprehension and yours sucks.
So, point out my specific words where I did anything other than make an objective statement. I’ll wait.
wasn’t that the whole previous conversation, why should I restate points you can read
woah misunderstanding can be malicious, and from the hostility im not getting a very good faith vibe (I don’t really care, but an acknowledgement of shared uncaring would be nice)
also I don’t care anymore, I have a bus stop to get off at and work to get to
Rich coming from the keyboard warrior. You called me a fascist coloniser and told me to go die. Either back up your words with proof or take your ignorant belligerent self and go high-five a power line.
Keyboard warrior- accuses someone who takes 3 seconds to reply to anything I put out
Defending Israel makes you a fascist. In any context. Looking at your history you seem to be a member of the imperial core, so you either benefit from colonialism or are a settler yourself.
And motherfucker you act like getting told to kill yourself like you should is somehow bad and then tell me to do the same. At least be consistent in your crocodile tears.
Your comment is equal measures funny and absurd to be honest. Please do explain how looking back on events, decisions made, etc to better frame modern happenings is so ridiculous.
Incorrect. This statement is only true if Israel had started the war. Hamas started the War. Israel has to defend itself otherwise Hamas has already shown it will kill citizens of Israel. Hamas has gone as far as indoctrination of kids. You want to know who is in the right? The Palestinian National Authority. No one else
And I think restricting context and acting like anything started recently is an inaccurate way to frame what’s going on. This conflict has been going on far longer than a week. Wars don’t just pop up out of nowhere, they are based on context from before the war.
Cutting context does allow one to make easy value judgements and frame them to support their preexisting position, that’s true.
It’s a different level, yet part of the same story. And the only way this is actually a different level is by only looking at Israeli casualties (another way restricting context can twist one’s understanding). Palestinians have been killed by Israeli military at a much higher rate for decades.
18 Palestinian journalists have been killed since 2001, all wearing identifying press gear. Russia did this as well in Ukraine and got lambasted for it yet I rarely hear about how Israel killed journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh. Because people love to cut context like this out of their worldview.
I am cutting context that is irrelevant to my point. My point is both sides are commiting war crimes. I don’t need to add anything because most people already agree Israel is not in the right. I only need to say how Hamas is in the wrong as well. Which judging by the upvote and down votes I have on the initial comment shows I have said something that makes sense
They’ve been in the wrong for over 20 years. Celebrating getting back pats for stating the obvious isn’t that useful. Another area where context vastly improves the quality of a discussion.
I recently got “this content is unverified, please open in our app to continue” from a Google search that lead to a random Reddit thread. Nope not gonna do that. I think I found a workable solution on stack overflow after that
The day old reddit I gone is the day it is officially dead. Reddit is appealing to the insta audience now and it sucks. I’ve talked to so many people who only recently discovered reddit and they have no idea that discussion used to drive the site. It’s a picture browsing site for them. The site is going down the tubes quickly so it can do an IPO I guess.
personal petpeeve of mine, that insta-gen as you describe it, is mentally incapable of making/uploading computer screenshots in computer specific subs (e.g. game specific subs). they upload photos of their monitor that look like ass, angled like they’re tim walker and shaken like they’re driving on cobblestone… almost like we’re back in the 00s or something.
it literally requires more effort to post a worse picture and be removeded at than simply pressing print-screen and ctrl-v on the pc.
“bUt I’m NoT uSiNg ReDdIt On My CoMpUtEr So I’m NoT lOgGeD iN”
yeah, while at that better uninstall it on your phone aswell. nothing of worth comes out of you anyways. smh
I wish this were only a problem with kids. I’m a system integrator and I’m constantly asking for screenshots of HMIs for troubleshooting. It’s about 50/50 with my current client if it’s going to be a jank cell phone picture or an actual screenshot. I think it’s an uneducated portion of the population that is too dumb to give a shit. They always existed but now the barrier to posting a photo is finally low enough that they can barely step over it and us early PC users are annoyed by them.
Not only did discussion used to drive that site, but thriving niche communities. I hired a young-ish (~25) webdev recently and he asked where I heard about a certain topic. I told him reddit and he was genuinely confused. I sent him links to r/webdev, r/selfhosted, r/sysadmin, r/datahoarder, and a handful of other recommendations. His mind was blown that reddit not only had those communities, but how deep the content was.
My point is, reddit has really leaned into the lowest common denominator audience to chase growth and has completely abandoned its nerd roots (most evidently by its API policy changes).
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