You said a “jackdaw is a crow.” Is it in the same family? Yes. No one’s arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be “specific” like you said, then you shouldn’t either. They’re not the same thing. If you’re saying “crow family” you’re referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people “call the black ones crows?” Let’s get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It’s not one or the other, that’s not how taxonomy works. They’re both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that’s not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you’re okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you’d call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don’t. It’s okay to just admit you’re wrong, you know?
How is defending one’s country against a terrorist threat that has manifested itself time and time again an “ethnic cleansing”? Also, what war crimes? In terms of international law the allegetions of war crimes have no legal basis.
What occupation? The original borders of the Isreali state have been established by the UN in 1947. By terrorist threat I mean the numerous previous attacks of the Hamas against Israel, including the recent events of October 7 this year.
I once gave our telco/internet provider the permission to call me on my main number if they have an interesting update regarding our contract. That went without problems for over ten years. One or two calls a year, and usually something worth thinking about.
Then their marketing decided to pull all stops and call us, on all our numbers, not just the main one, but also the kids personal phones. And not only from their official numbers, but random numbers all over the country. We suddenly got a dozen calls a day(!) from them, offering the same two products (at least where we picked up and declined the offer) again, and again, and over again. We blocked numbers, and new ones came up. The block list went from two entries to over thirty. I had to threaten legal action got get our numbers blocked again, and get them marked as such according to our privacy laws.
most cops here (slovenia) actually do help the community they serve
i remember getting pissed on reddit because someone used a slovene police officer on a horse to promote ACAB while ignoring the entire backstory of the picture which contradicted their entire post
the whole world isnt the same as the US or western europe
AND BEFORE I GET CALLED A BOOTLICKER
i support neither the ACAB movement nor the corrupt cops that try their hardest to power trip over innocent people
The critique is a bit too broad to explain simply in a lemmy post.
I can try, but keepin mind that this will not be exhaustive:
The police’s job is to reinforce the current power structures and keep the people that currently are in power at the top. That has been their historical purpose, too. Dating back to the 1800s when they violently beat down strikes and workers’ protests. They are always “legitimized” by “the rule of law” without adressing how legitimate the law is. Speznaz, Gestapo and the Stasi all “upheld the rule of law”, but where highly immoral. The same goes for Frontex.
When the police acts immorally and/or breaks the law, the social structures most likely will prevent repercussions for those police officers. If you get beat up by police, other officers will pretty much always cover for their colleagues.
The image of the police’s job being to “protect and serve” is the result of active police propaganda (so-called “Copaganda”)
I see what you are saying, and while I disagree that the concept is to reinforce the current power structures and keep the people currently in power at the top, that is the end result of upholding the rule of law.
Eh, it’s mostly splitting hairs at this point anyway, the police uphold the laws as written by the people in power which usually benefits themselves.
That is fair, I find that it can simplify too much in some cases, but eh, I am very seldom in a position of power to have to actually answer these questions, so these concepts are purely academic to me.
In authoritarian structures, the facts are dictated by the authority, not reality. When the authority and reality come into conflict, and you choose to side with reality, you are at danger of bodily harm or death.
Many people consider life and death to be more important than what letters and words mean, so I would imagine your proposal is simply impossible at any large scale, in any place where the people more inclined towards uprisings have already been killed.
You will not be called a “bootlicker” because you support think cops are there to protect you. That’s something reasonable to believe.
You will be called a “bootlicker” because you are in support of the state, which defends the interest of those in power (aka. political class, “the rich,” bourgeoisie, etc) and its soldiers, which are cops.
I mean no harm; I’m not calling you a “bootlicker.” You are a decent human just sharing your experience. I want to bring “the other side” perspective in a friendly way. I was thinking like you until I was at the other end of their macanas for helping other decent people.
The ACAB is a widespread movement in South America and has good reasons to exist since it is adjacent to Antifa. But the overall reason to hate cops is based on the argument that I explained before in a very brief way.
Since I abide by the movement, I invite you to check it out so you can engage more deeply in the conversation. For a starter, I may interest you in:
The excellent channel of Philosophy Tube (that has some fascinating videos of other topics, 10/10) and her video about How Police Make Up The Law (ft. LegalEagle) or this one Violence & Protest. Her work is highly focused on going in-depth to help you understand the arguments about various positions, such as philosophical dialogs, with a bit of theatrics to keep it interesting.
And sorry for not sharing other voices outside the anglosphere who cover the topic. It is just that they don’t speak English, so we can’t understand each other.
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