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Bamboodpanda, in alternative to trees

It’s sad that the effort to do something innovative to solve a problem can easily get dismissed via a zero effort critique by someone who never took the time to learn why it was created.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0ac3c9f6-14c9-406b-a816-3050388a32f2.png

BCsven,

There is a tree right next to it. LOL so obviously space for trees. The trunks take up less space, its just they require pulling up surrounding sidewalk sometimes, and maintenance crew for trimming and watering in dry spells.

telllos,

Well, the title should be, we can replace Benchs with better benchs

BCsven,

That would make more sense

DrDominate,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

Trees don’t perform nearly as much work as the algae tank in sucking up C02 and outputting 02, require more maintenance, and takes longer to deploy (have to wait for tree to mature).

BCsven,

I was only commenting on the wording under the picture claiming they place them where is no room for trees.

DrDominate,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough, I misunderstood. I meant no ill intention.

BCsven,

No worries. I get they can be beneficial, the photo was just ironic

mstrk,

nice, thank you.

sciencesebi,

Yeah…most of the O2 comes from plankton. People seem to freak out about a few trees being cut down, but are chill when it comes to rising ocean temps

Anticorp, in America: Getting ready for another election. Rest of the world:

Americans are saying the same thing…

Anticorp, in If you needed motivation

Damn, people on Lemmy are among the least fun people I’ve ever seen, based on these comments.

wafflez,

Your name is literally anticorp and thats what most of these comments are saying.

How would you like them to respond? /genc

Anticorp,

You don’t need to pick everything apart. It’s okay to joke around.

pizza, in alternative to trees
pizza, in european stereotypes
lolcatnip, in alternative to trees

This whole thread is a great example of why I’m continually disappointed with Lemmy. Half the comments are just some variation of “capitalism bad”. I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, but it sure would be nice if people would stop grinding their axes for a few minutes to talk about the actual subject of the post. Or just not comment at all if they don’t have anything relevant to say.

Cato_the_Posadist,

Counterpoint: pointing out the source of the problem is always relevant.

Flumsy,

Counter-counterpoint: Capitalism isnt the source of every problem and sometimes there isnt even a problem.

explodicle,

Who said it’s the source of every problem?

Flumsy,

Cato_the_podasist did. The OP of this thread said that this post has nothing to do with capitalism and that we should therefore stop talking about it here. Cato_the_podasist argued against that saying that pointing out the source of the problem is always relevant, THEREBY IMPLYING that pointing out capitalism is always relevant (because capitalism doesnt have anything to do with this post specifically) so if its relevant here, then were is it not relevant?

explodicle,

That’s implying that capitalism is the source of this problem, not every problem. Consider what they’re saying.

Flumsy,

(What I meant is: Capitalism is not relevant here. Maybe sometimes it is the root of the problem but not in every case (and certainly not in this one).

GeneralEmergency,

It’s tiring how militant lemmites can be. Everyone has an opinion and will always find an excuse to spout it.

pizza, in soak and jump hump
pizza, in America: Getting ready for another election. Rest of the world:
OnopordumAcanthium, in alternative to trees
@OnopordumAcanthium@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s expensive and has only the advantage of catching CO2, while trees have more than just that. Produces O2, Cooling the near surroundings, are a save heaven for many species and therefore increases biodiversity, filters the air and soil, also makes the soil more healthy and probably many other reasons.

Humans really are weird. Trying to replace a perfectly fine bio-machinery that developed over Thousands of years with their own steel junk. I dont see why anybody would prefer that gadget over a tree.

milomilo,

Thousands?

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

I assume they mean how long many old growth forests have been growing (though even then thousands of years is on the younger end), not the time it took for trees to evolve.

stranger,

What happens when we go too far and remove all CO2 from the atmosphere?

Karyoplasma, (edited )

Most plants would die because they rely on CO2 for photosynthesis.

Many sea animals would die. Oceans absorb CO2 which forms carbonic acid (H2CO3) in water. Oceans are slightly alkaline due to dissolved salts (bicarbonate and carbonate) and the carbonic acid from the absorption helps to create a stable pH. Many sea animals are highly adapted to a specific pH and would die if the ocean got either too acidic or too alkaline, so they are pretty doomed in either case.

Many humans would die because agriculture would collapse. Also breathing pure oxygen over a long period of time would be very bad because of oxygen toxicity. Yeah, pure oxygen is toxic for humans lol

Land animals, I’m not so sure, but I assume most of them would die too.

Gabu,

Your question isn’t entirely a hypothetical - this happened at the dawn of time, when photosynthetic life forms first evolved. First, it won’t ever happen again, no matter how good we get at scooping CO2 from the atmosphere. Second, the result is theoretically catastrophic for aerobic life forms, but it’s also a negative feedback loop, meaning it self corrects.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s expensive and has only the advantage of catching CO2

It doesn’t even do that well. Algae have short lifespans and when they decompose, the CO2 will go right back into the atmosphere. It’s the same reason you can’t reasonably capture CO2 with small plants like grasses, nor does the carbon inside you count as captured. The reason trees “capture CO2” is because trees live for a long time and wood decomposes very slowly, and therefore keep its carbon locked in the wood for a long time. The point of capturing carbon is you take it out of circulation for as long as possible.

There are ways to have algae capture carbon, but they are fairly involved (read: very expensive) processes whose scalability is still uncertain. Certainly not a tank in the street.

Flumsy,

I was always under the impression that plants chemically convert CO2 and some other stuff to glucose (C6-H12-O6), right? In that case, the algae would still help, wouldnt they?

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

It helps if and only if the glucose stays as glucose and is not metabolized. Wood is a good application of this, as its cellulose fibers are made of glucose, in a form that is very stable and can stay locked away for a long time (especially if the tree is alive as it does not metabolize the glucose in its own wood and has anti-predation adaptations that actively guard it against other organisms). However, if the glucose decomposes, i.e. is metabolized, it is converted either directly to CO2 or into other compounds that eventually end up as CO2, essentially returning the captured carbon back to the atmosphere.

Gabu,

Humans really are weird. Trying to replace a perfectly fine bio-machinery that developed over Thousands of years with their own steel junk. I dont see why anybody would prefer that gadget over a tree.

Can you plant a tree capable of capturing the same amount of CO2 as those algae in that small a space? How about “refilling” the tree if it happens to die?

Society doesn’t have to lock itself to a single solution for countless varied problems. If we’re talking about a long, empty walkway, or a park, then trees are a great solution. If we’re talking about a small space that must be kept free of obstructions, such as a bus stop, then a sack or box of phytoplankton is much better suited.

doyadig, in european stereotypes

Americans are so dumb they think “Europeans” are a thing. It’s a continent. 50 countries with 50 different cultures.

RagingRobot,

Is the European Union not a thing anymore? Does being a part of that not make you European? What does European mean if not for people who live in Europe?

To be fair America has 50 different states and a lot of them have totally different cultures. Texas compared to new york for example. Would that not make your statement equally as dumb?

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Also lots of US states are bigger than European countries lul.

lud,

The European Union is a union and not a country, the EU is pretty irrelevant here since there are lots of Europeans that don’t live in a member country. There are lots of cultural differences and languages.

Of course everyone in Europe is European but generalising Europeans that really doesn’t have that much in common (except living in Europe) is most often pretty stupid. Europe is very diverse in culture, climate, economy, politics, etc.

RagingRobot,

So is america though lol we just mostly speak the same language over here

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

and europeans are so dumb they think “americans” are a thing. its a country, with states sometimes bigger than most of europes countries

lud,

Imagine thinking anything that’s pretty much 300 years old is anywhere close to the rest of the world.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

what does this comment trying to portray?

eltimablo,

This comment reads like someone smugly shitting their pants because someone they don't like said they'd win the next time they gambled on a fart.

lud,

Wtf are you talking about?

eltimablo,

U poop pants

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

US people: 50 countries of white people! that’s not diversity!

yogthos, in purrrfectly normal
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I feel personally attacked!

Kusimulkku, in Know your enemy

It’s not really stolen if I’ve agreed to share it for a price

zagaberoo,

There’s something to be said for coercion. Most people have no option to live without ‘agreeing’ to such a sharing model.

Kusimulkku,

Not really the case for me

Honytawk,

Great, so you can agree if you want, but most can not.

Kusimulkku,

Sure

NAXLAB, (edited )

The main argument is that we are in a system of people who are way more powerful than us, and have largely taken away our options until we agree. We’re facing widespread protests and international strikes right now because we don’t like the options they’ve given us, and we’re trying to change the system.

Just because somebody takes away your options until you agree, doesn’t mean they aren’t forcing you. Just because you happen to be satisfied with what you have, doesn’t mean that something better is not being denied from you, even though it is possible for you to have it.

Kusimulkku,

Can’t say I’m in a situation like that. I do have the option of not working

NAXLAB,

Then you are extremely lucky, as am I. I have enough money saved up that I took a break.

However, something like 40% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and just don’t have that option. The threat of poverty is constantly chasing them. When you’re in that situation, you will take the best option available even if it’s garbage or next to garbage.

Cannacheques, in european stereotypes

Sometimes true but not always. I’ve had coworkers from the UK all the way to the middle east who were always happy to buy drinks and were more generous, I suspect many from across the commonwealth, and greco roman world tend to take gifts of food more fairly.

Much of China having gone through multiple famines tends to have a different food culture though which probably makes people come off rude to each other

Evia,
@Evia@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, because no other country experiences famine

Bronzie,

Why did you make up a reason to be offended?
Nobody said no other country experience it, so calm down.

You seem otherwise cool so I’m just gonna wish you the best of luck with your pregnancy and happy weekend!

samus12345, in Happy belated Krampusnacht
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
SkybreakerEngineer,

Bum babum ba bum bum bum

chillbo_baggins, in a Rimworld meme

Spike Knee is my fav director

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