i hate fascists with a passion, but i might not agree with how antifa acts. i do not have any experience with the group itself, i might even agree with them.
for example, i do not like how the last generation glued themselves to streets. that doesn’t make me a climate denier, does it?
EDIT: it seems i misunderstood what antifa is. i always saw it as “the group of violent extremist protesters that throw rocks and light up cars”
again, i am fully for doing everything i can against fascists. but violent protests don’t contribute, all it does is make your movement the next boogeyman.
There is no singular group called “antifa”. It’s a movement of loosely (at best) interconnected but independent, antifascist groups.
Also, we need all these groups. It’s them who usually organize rallies against racism, fascism, antisemitism, inhuman law proposals, et cetera. Also they organize all sorts of other actions against alt right, far right and (neo-)nazis, like disrupting their rallies and standing in the way of goon squads.
Antifa groups are damn important.
Anti-antifa only means you’re against the people claiming to be anti-fascist. It doesn’t mean you like fascism. Nor does being antifa mean everything you’re against is fascism.
I think it should be noted, the difference between antifa the organization and antifa the philosophy.
I am very much ideologically anti-fascist and I believe I would take up arms against a fascist government, however antifa the org has made some questionable calls in the past.
There is no overarching antifa organization though. Try looking for a website/forum/etc of antifa. There are websites for random local activist groups which call themselves <city name> antifa, but there is no leader or comittee overseeing these groups. There is no process to join antifa, any activist group or individual can call themselves antifa.
So there are no calls made by antifa, good or bad. There are only calls made by individuals or local groups that call themselves antifa.
Fair. I think you can understand them as a group still, similarly to how you can see anonymous as a group.
I don’t think I’m educated enough to say anything against the group as a whole, as I haven’t sat down to do a lot of research on them (I’m realizing now that my comment was made from a BS bias that I had picked up from when I was a conservative).
however I don’t think the logic of the source meme on it’s own shows someone as fascist just because they oppose the antifa orginization.
I do agree that someone isn’t a fascist if they disagree with antifa. I was just talking about the part where you talked about antifa the organization.
Wait let me get this straight. The two countries she’s trying to pin on anti-genocide activists are two of the biggest contributors or genocide? Get fucked Pelosi.
What do you want him to do? Israel is a major military partner and is one of the only semi-sane governments in the area.
I get the disdain for Israels tactics, their risk to civilian calculations are well out of wack. They need to stop the settlements shit.
But, what do people really want him to do? We do not need to go to war with Israel, all that’s going to do is put Israeli lives at extreme risk. Most Gazans have started supporting Hamas (apnews.com/…/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-po…) and Hamas has proven that they don’t care about Israeli civilians.
What is it people want from him, just to virtue signal? Don’t get me wrong, I’m disgusted by Isreal’s conduct, but there isn’t anything he can do that would do anything more than virtue signal.
Imagine saying that a genocidal apartheid state is “one of the only semi-sane governments in the area”. Meanwhile, US support for everything Israel has been doing since it was formed is the sole reason for Israel being what it is today. The only thing US brings to the world is horror and suffering.
It’s pretty obvious what genocide Joe should do. He should pack up and leave. It’s that simple. Instead, this senile sack of shit is dragging the world in tow WW3 right now. US and Israel deserve everything that’s coming to them.
The problem with your argument against Israel is that everyone around them is so much worse. None of the countries around them respect any form of human rights, and some of them (including Hamas) actively want to try and commit their own genocides. This much was obvious given how Hamas fighters acted on the Oct attacks (I think it should be common knowledge that they did target civilians as apposed to just military targets, however here is a taste [www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch6T9oR6tro]).
“The only thing US brings to the world is horror and suffering.”, this should be an obviously hyperbolic statement. What about World War II? Are you not saying that the U.S. at least brought some good by fighting the Nazi’s.
“It’s pretty obvious what genocide Joe should do. He should pack up and leave”. First of all, it is abhorrent to say anyone should do any sort of genocide. I know you likely didn’t mean it like that, and I don’t want you to think I’m trying to nit pick. I just want to encourage people to be careful with their words.
My second point on that quote, is that your missing the point. Have a little empathy. Regardless of how effective it would be at curbing Israelis actions in Gaza, this would have severe ramifications on civilians. Despite our shared thoughts on Israel, withdrawing US troops would likely both do nothing to curb Israels attacks on Gaza (Israel has a long history of operating fine without the US [2]) and it would only put Israeli lives at risk due to the bombing campaigns conducted by groups like Hamas.
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