backhdlp,
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No wonder piracy was so popular

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

In the pre-Internet early 90s, CDs were $15-25 (with inflation, about $40 now)…. And for a lot of music, you had no way of hearing it first. Shoplifting was popular.

7u5k3n,

Man came here to say this… Hell I was in a class action lawsuit in the early 2000s because of CD pricing. billboard.com/…/cd-price-fixing-suit-settled-for-…

Shit was super expensive back in the day.

But as weird Al says… How else is he going to get a diamond encrusted swimming pool?

SternburgExport,

At least later on a lot of shops had these listening stations.

ThirdWorldOrder,

That’s why I always wore my umbro shorts with the inner liner before I went to Walmart

noobdoomguy8658,

1999 piracy mostly consisted of paying for a pirated copy that someone decided to make profit off; most likely, they weren’t the person to make the (first!) copy, and they’re not even sure what’s on the thing they were selling you. It was mostly bootlegging.

Confuzzeled,

When I was a kid we still recorded stuff off the radio and copied our zx spectrum games on the family hi-fi. I’d say good times but it’s so much better now I can pirate everything in great quality from teh interwebs.

Selmafudd,

My memory is a little fuzzy with dates but I’m pretty sure Napster was going full steam by '99 but even before that we used to trade mp3 files on mIRC or ICQ+CuteFTP, I had hundreds of albums I never paid for which I am still amazed I managed to do over a shared 56k connection

Getawombatupya,

Like buying a game CD and a warez copy bypass and the crew doing an ASCII art walk through, bought for $5 from a classmate

Or shareware floppy disks with copyright bypass

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

For real… I never had this problem before… Currently I’m a proud Spotify user.

DmMacniel,

in 1999 you had the ability to get into a music shop, load the cd and test listen to it. Or just go through the music charts. Or wish for a specific song on radio.

Also 1999 already had Napster, Morpheus and others.

SpaceNoodle,

Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.

grue,

Also 1999 already had Napster

Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.

schmidtster,

You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.

Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……

Peaty,

Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.

teamevil,

I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine

Enkers,

Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.

Kimjongtooill,

Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.

captainlezbian,

They do really grow on you

bobs_monkey,

They get up again

Polar,

We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.

Enkers,

Haha, definitely a possibility!

I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.

errer,

Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?

schmidtster,

Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?

Franconian_Nomad,

There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.

But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.

TropicalDingdong,

Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?

Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.

But yeah. It was me.

schmidtster,

I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.

explodicle,

You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.

schmidtster,

I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.

thelsim,
@thelsim@sh.itjust.works avatar

God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.

Gurfaild,

In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.

BruceTwarzen,

A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.

Track_Shovel,
@Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net avatar

I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.

Lileath,
@Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.

Getawombatupya,

“Old or poor…”

Lileath,
@Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.

Getawombatupya,

Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media

CylustheVirus,

Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.

DmMacniel,

That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD

Getawombatupya,

Format C:, Reinstall XP

DmMacniel,

In 1999? Uuuuh.

scytale,

When people who didn’t like rock/metal bought an Extreme album because they thought all the songs were like More Than Words.

Peaty,

While the shred guitar nerds were wondering what the fuck Nuno Bettancourt was playing with that track.

BruceTwarzen,

I'll never forget walking into a record store, looking at a cannibal corpse album. The guy working there looked at me and said if i want the album for free. I was a teen with like 9 dollars to my name so i said of course, thank you. When i asked why he said: because it FUCKING SUCKS.

teamevil,

Fuck off…Butchered at Birth fixed all the shitty alternative albums with one hit. Fuck off Letters to Cleo

RadButNotAChad,

Napster was reparations for Soul Asylums Strangers With Candy album.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

For me, it's every Metallica album after Justice For All, and Lars Ulrich can definitely fuck off.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

You buy a Sony CD and decide to play it on your computer.

Your computer now has a rootkit installed.

explodicle,

I STILL don’t buy Sony shit because of that. They booby trapped their product and idiots still buy it. There are plenty of competitors who don’t do that.

schmidtster,

Or they just haven’t been caught yet.

It would be naive to think it’s a singular event.

explodicle,

Certainly not singular, but it’s very difficult to get away with this undetected because the end user gets physical access to the hardware.

schmidtster,

Linux is open source, and they had a malware for 10 years that was undetected.

Having access means nothing if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Rootkits are serious problems.

AVincentInSpace,

Wait, what malware was that?

schmidtster,

Which one? There was the 2020 one by winnti group that attacked Linux servers for a decade, and another in 2021/22 called symbiote, but I don’t know how long that one was hidden for.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

And these days people just install the rootkit, only it’s allegedly to prevent game cheating.

hackris,

And, when called out, everyone tells you you’re a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, organ trafficking criminal

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That’s because you guys throw around the word “rootkit” like my parents call everything “woke” or “communist.”

You probably couldn’t even define what a rootkit is yet you’re scared shitless of a thing you can’t properly define.

So yeah, anyone who’s afraid of something they don’t even understand fully is absolutely paranoid.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Most people are not fully cognizant of the rights they sign away in a click through. There is paranoid and there is prudent.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Read the EULA, if you don’t want an anticheat that requires those permissions then don’t install the game.

Something having kernel access doesn’t make it a rootkit, it makes it high-risk for misuse by a threat actor. Only if the software was exploited by a bad actor to acquire root/hardware permissions would this issue actually become something.

That, or if the anticheat wasn’t uninstallable and/or dodged scans intended to locate it, etc.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Putting the responsibility to understand legalese (and advanced concepts like rootkits) to such an extent on the end user is just straight gaslighting. Nobody has the required expertise to determine what an EULA actually says outside of the lawyer who wrote it, and even then, I wouldn’t guarantee it.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Damn now we are misusing gaslighting as well to just mean “hiding something.”

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Ugh. As in blaming someone, casting aspersions on them for something that isn’t their fault or responsibility. Words broaden in meaning. If you’re going to quibble about semantics, I got nothing to say to you.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

well the game installs a kernel module without my consent. Isn’t that the definition of a rootkit?

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Did you install a game with anticheat? Did that anticheat require kernel level access? Can you read?

I’m just curious what part is them sneaking something onto your machine that you’re unaware of?

hackris,

I have no idea if the gamers installing it are “unaware” (I never played such a game), however it’s still a shitty practice. The average Joe has no idea what the hell a rootkit is and it’s predatory to exploit this. Also, no game should install rootkits. For the love of god, it’s a videogame.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

No game is installing rootkits, you guys just keep misusing the term, as I’ve attempted to explain like five fucking times in this thread.

The average joe clearly doesn’t understand what a rootkit is, as you’ve well established.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

most anticheats run in the kernel, even the most popular ones like battleye and vanguard.
also they are often installed automatically while launching games for the first time, without any prompts

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

yeah maybe just design proper authoritative servers instead?
anticheats are kinda a band-aid solution.

Cort,

Or maybe bring back self hosted servers so you can roll your own

aniki,

Viva la Gamespy!

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

slef hosted servers don’t solve cheating on their own either.
proper authoritive server shouldn’t send or accept any information that isn’t strictly necessary, like positions of players that are in a completely different part of the map

foggy,

“most people who had the rootkit installed on their machine dont know what a rootkit is anyways; why should I care?”

-sony’s response

TokyoMonsterTrucker,

Worse: you’re a DJ in 1998 and spend $12 for a 6 minute B-side.

julianwgs,

It‘s 2023, you can still listen to the same shitty music, because it is yours to keep.

zammy95,

I’m assuming you’re saying still listen to the same shit music you BOUGHT back then?

abraxas,

The sad truth. I threw out my CD binders at least 10 years ago. I still have some of that uploaded to the cloud, but I’ve swapped provider a few times and probably lost some.

And more often, I Just listen on spotify or youtube music.

julianwgs,

Yes, the comment was meant as criticism of the streaming era packaged as a joke

tpihkal,

Where the hell you buying CDs for $10 in 1999?

enthusiasticamoeba,

The standard price where I grew up was $13. Feels like a steal these days.

tpihkal,

I don’t think any CD I ever wanted enough to buy was less than $16. My family was poor so cassette tapes were still a thing for quite a while.

By the time I could start thinking about affording CDs, I’d already seen the movie Hackers (1994) and was convinced everything would be digital really fucking fast.

I started converting my CDs in the Napster era.

enthusiasticamoeba,

Yeah, I only had a handful of CDs because they were too expensive! I jumped on the napster train and got a CD burner as soon as I could.

teamevil,

CD Depot.

hemko,

Oh I would listen the shit album 100 times and memorize the lyrics for each song. It might have been bad album, but it was mine and I was so excited to bring it home.

But also I was very young

teamevil,

So you too owned Limp Bizkit albums

foggy,

1999?

Try $20.

Uniquitous,

And there are only 6 tracks, and also the CD was $20.

paultimate14,

They are typically 45-60 minutes. Which could be 1 long song, or 20+ short songs.

Uniquitous,

Dude, I was there. I lived it. Step off.

paultimate14,

Bruh I’m looking over at my shelf of CD’s from the time.

But let’s look at the best selling albums that came out in 1999, the year referenced in the meme.

  1. Backstreet Boys - Millennium - 12 tracks
  2. Britney Spears - Baby One More Time - 11 tracks (or more, depending on the version)
  3. Santana - Supernatural - 13 tracks
  4. Celine Dion - All the Way… A Decade of Song - 16 tracks (kind of weird as it’s a compilation)
  5. Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin - 14 Tracks
  6. Blink-182 - Enema of the State - 12 tracks
  7. RHCP - Calofornication - 15 tracks
  8. Christina Aguilera - Christina Aguilera - 12 tracks (I think? I’m only finding re-releases that include more bonus tracks now)
  9. Creed - Human Clay - 11 tracks
  10. Dido - No Angel - 12 tracks

Maybe back in the day you mistakenly bought singles instead of albums?

ThatFembyWho,

Hey that was the soundtrack to high school. I downloaded half of them on dialup, via Napster/Gnutella/whatever.

#7 is one of the only ones you’ll hear to this day.

abraxas,

Mostly THAT was EPs. Some of the best albums are EPs, but they’re short.

Rose for the Dead EP, was my favorite one. 6 songs.

NIN Broken was 8 songs.

A lot of punk albums have plenty of songs, but they’re so short some of them have terrible play times. OpIvy Energy (the first bootleg I ever had) is only about 35 minutes long and the whole thing mostly fit on one side of a (small) cassette tape.

I could probably find more, but that’s just off the top of my head.

paultimate14,

Isn’t that kind of the point of EP’s though? They’re ~half the length and should be cheaper to compensate for that.

abraxas,

“should be”

Of the above, I only remember Rose for The Dead… costing easily as much as an LP.

Uniquitous,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jar_of_Flies I rest my case you condescending asshat.

paultimate14,

As an EP that wouldn’t have been $20 lol.

Uniquitous,

As if you would even know.

paultimate14,

You’re just mad you got ripped off 25 years ago lol

ianhclark510,
@ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

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teamevil,

That fucking album is proof there was hope, except it bankrupted London Records which killed Grotüs’ career. They are a dope ass band I found in a CD store with throwaway CDs for a dollar in 99. Definitely worth it for them. YouTube Grotüs’ Mass.

ianhclark510,
@ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I thought Dopesmoker was released by Tee Pee lol

paultimate14,

But you owned it. So you could sell the CD and recoup almost all of your money.

Tedrow,
@Tedrow@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure who you were selling your CDs too to get almost all your money back. Maybe if you sold it to a friend.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

A used music store or pawn shop

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

The person who made this meme is too young to know about reselling stuff they own.

Peaty,

Except you couldn’t? You would get $1-2 bucks for most used tapes/LPs/Cds.

paultimate14,

Maybe if you tried to sell at FYE. But a local flea market? You could totally get $10-$15 depending on what it was and how much it cost initially.

doublejay1999,
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

If you got 3 tracks off a hip hop album you’d nailed it.

Yes, there are exceptions, we now call them classics

SpaceNoodle,

More like $20.

mxcory,

Got the censored version at Walmart.

massive_bereavement,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

Uugh ..

teamevil,

Waif Me

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

There were so many shitty albums I bought for $16 in the early 90s (even worse, that's like $30 now) and had the exact experience in the meme. Things like we loved the first Suicidal Tendencies album, bought the second and were 'wtf is this?' The only way we had to pick out death metal was based on the cover art and record label... put it in the CD player, okay, good guitar sound... just have to wait until the guy sings.... that pretty much decided it.

Diabolo96,

Death metal

wait until the guy sings

(。╯︵╰。)

MFW the main singer guttural scream isn’t as good as in the last album.

/jk

abraxas,

Sounds like a Theatre of Tragedy problem.

“Fuck that shit. We’ll fire the singer that put us on the map because she was only supposed to be a back-up, and then we’ll go full techno”.

(as you may guess, I never got over it. Also, I know this full-techno song was still w/ Liv Kristine, but they stayed techno-ey and I picked a song I don’t actually hate)

Diabolo96,

I tried to listen the song and it’s not really my cup of tea. It felt almost psychedelic.

I for the most cases , don’t enjoy any screaming and neither vocals for that matter. That’s why I mostly will only listen to instrumental pieces of the metal genre like the doom ost. Nothing else matters is an exception but that song is more of ballad.

abraxas,

Exactly! Compare to Rose for the Dead, which is arguably (ok, my opinion) the most solid “Beauty and the Beast” genre death metal song ever written.

Of course, there ARE vocals, but as I say, totally different genre.

Diabolo96,

The part from 1:09 to 1:18 was a pleasant surprise to my ears. The woman seems very talented and I totally understand why you’d feel like a it was a huge waste to fire her.

The start of the instrumental transported my mind into a bandit filled wasteland world. It’d fit soo well into ashe 2063 ( a free doom full conversions game that I highly recommend ) or at least watch a playthrough of. I guarantee you’d play it after watching a few minutes.

abraxas,

If you like that at all, their Aegis album features her much more heavily, if with somewhat less “growl”. She also has had a few bands since that did “okay” in Norway. Leaves’ Eyes does gothic twist on some traditional celtic.

Also, “Beauty and the Beast” death/doom are hard to find, but Cradle of Filth had a few phenomenal songs of that genre. Nymphetamine Fix is my favorite of theirs. It’s so hard to find good death or doom that fit my tastes.

I watched a little LP of ashe 2063. FPS’s don’t work well with me, but it seemed interesting. Me with gaming seems like you with music :) I don’t like “vocals” (action reflex games)

Diabolo96,

The dude growling voice wasn’t that bad the first time he sang. Later parts weren’t as good tho. The part at 1:22 till 1:45 was my favorite. Really digging the folklore feel.

I actually have really bad reflexes but most games allow to toggle the difficulty and juste enjoy the story with the exploration as the reward, not passing the challenges. I wish it was as easy to toggle the vocals off. So many songs I deeply enjoyed until someone sang and removed any joy listening to it, so i end up playing that first part over and over.

abraxas,

Yeah, IMO it’s definitely a step down from the growl voices I like, ex. Peter Steele or Raymond Rohonyi (but had to look him up, which shows how much more I respect Liv Kristine than him)

As for vocals. I’m so attached to vocals it’s hard for me to relate. Most music I listen to are the type of person you can immediately recognize if they sing a totally random song acapella. Everything from Enya to Celine Dion, Maynard to Trent Reznor to Peter Steele. Even bands I “kind of like” have that in common.

“Oh my god, that sounds like…” <–if I can’t say that if they do a cover or new release and I didn’t know, then I probably don’t like it.

Diabolo96,

We’re polar opposite. Nevertheless, I don’t hate all vocals, Celine Dion is indeed a phenomenal singer , but not everyone is a good singer nor have a good voice, and even then, the lyrics can be a turn-off. I have hyperphantasia and my mind tend to wonder whenever I listen to any song, vocal more often than not disrupt the process. My favorite genre is chiptune music.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

With a new band you never know. It could be a low, murky graaar like Immolation or Bolt Thrower… or a higher pitch like most Entombed (I prefer Clandestine where some bassist from another band sang, but most people don’t, for some reason). Or it could be like Deicide where the singer is mainly good then they cheapen it with this cheesy high pitched thing…. Carcass where the singer is h medium pitched and sounds good, then they also have a low guttural voice thrown in here and there, which was alright. Or maybe all is well and it’s the perfect Morbid Angel vocals.

teamevil,

Fucking Death metal was my counter to shitty alternative albums with one hit…30 years later I’m still a fan of grindcore/death metal/stoner metal…thank god for Relapse Records.

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