Halloween is more fun in your 20s without a doubt. Going out to bars and parties dressed in costumes is a blast. As a little kid, I liked both but I think Christmas was a bigger deal. As an adult with kids of my own, Halloween is all hassle no fun but Christmas is still fun
I like a feasting holiday, I love making all kinds of food and serving my family. Thanksgiving and Christmas are for me.
Sure - but if Joe's got enough energy to fuck around in a chocolate factory with his grandson, then he's got enough energy to work part-time to help his desperately poor family
Yeah, I have - and the ones that could walk were constantly having to sit down, not doing bloody jigs like Joe did upon learning about the Golden Ticket.
Grandpa Joe has significantly more energy than his peers, that much I can tell - and the fact he let his poor family suffer rather than put that energy to use working even just a day a week is part of why I hate Grandpa Joe
You do understand that the film isn’t a documentary? It’s a family film. You’d be the guy complaining that in episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy’s skeleton as a xylophone, he strikes the same rib in succession yet produces two clearly different notes.
Edit: Actually, there’s a lot more to say. Your comment is simply wrong on every point it makes.
Firstly, you mischaracterise the elderly, maybe from a myopic view based on personal anecdotes. People who live active lives before retirement tend to live relatively active lives after retirement. The reason they may choose to live more cautious lifestyles is because mundane injuries for a young person can spell a death sentence for the elderly. In over 65s, a simple fall can lead to a hip fracture, which has a one-year mortality rate of 21% if the patient undergoes surgery; this mortality rate rises to 70% if they do not undergo surgery.
Secondly, if you earnestly believe that a 90 year old, over 20 years into retirement, needs to polish their work boots, get on their bike, and find work to support their family, then you’re either mentally deficient, a child with zero experience of the job market, or a tory. Either way, you’re detached from reality. Forgetting the fact that a retiree has earned their retirement, a company is simply less likely to take on an over 65, either through some judgment of their ability or out of fear that a common workplace slip can turn into a death.
You really need to get some perspective on how the world works, and maybe a hobby that isn’t making ill-informed ultra-literalised criticisms of family films. Next you’ll be saying that Grandpa Joe should learn to code so he can remote hustle from his bed.
Bloody heck mate, lighten up a bit. Everyone hating on Grandpa Joe is aware it's a family film, it's just a rather conspicuous plot-hole that he went from not moving for years to prancing and dancing about.
But if you're going to be a pain in the arse about it...
Firstly, you mischaracterise the elderly, maybe from a myopic view based on personal anecdotes. People who live active lives before retirement tend to live relatively active lives after retirement. The reason they may choose to live more cautious lifestyles is because mundane injuries for a young person can spell a death sentence for the elderly. In over 65s, a simple fall can lead to a hip fracture, which has a one-year mortality rate of 21% if the patient undergoes surgery; this mortality rate rises to 70% if they do not undergo surgery.
Yeah, but we know Grandpa Joe has supppsedly been bed-bound like the other elders for years. He may have once lived an active lifestyle, but he ain't active now, and (especially when you're older) muscle you don't use disappears fast.
Secondly, if you earnestly believe that a 90 year old, over 20 years into retirement, needs to polish their work boots, get on their bike, and find work to support their family, then you’re either mentally deficient, a child with zero experience of the job market, or a tory. Either way, you’re detached from reality.
Damn, you really throwing the word Tory around like that... I'm firmly working class, I know struggle - and I do think that if you're barely hanging onto existence like Charlie's family is, then anyone who can be working should be for the sake of your family to improve life even just a little bit.
It absolutely is cruel to suggest that someone retired should have to pick up their cap, but life can be cruel like that, and I think you're detatched from reality acting like that sort of thing never happens - like nobody ever needs to come out of retirement for any reason ever.
Forgetting the fact that a retiree has earned their retirement, a company is simply less likely to take on an over 65, either through some judgment of their ability or out of fear that a common workplace slip can turn into a death.
True, but that doesn't stop Grandpa Joe from trying - sure beats watching your family living destitute while you live bed-bound for years full well knowing you don't need to be
You really need to get some perspective on how the world works, and maybe a hobby that isn’t making ill-informed ultra-literalised criticisms of family films. Next you’ll be saying that Grandpa Joe should learn to code so he can remote hustle from his bed.
Again, chill the fuck out mate, it's way more light-hearted than you're being. Everyone's aware it's a family film.
Having said that, my perspective is that the world can be cruel at times, and that Grandpa Joe should be doing his part to help his destitute family rather than lying in bed if he's got enough energy to start dancing and singing, and fucking around with his Grandson in a chocolate factory - I think you're out of touch if you think everybody hits 65 and suddenly s financially set for the rest of their lives.
Also, certainly given the original film's setting, I suspect that neither of those would've been a thing yet.
Damn, you really throwing the word Tory around like that
If it walks like a Tory, talks like a Tory, and regurgitates bootstraps rhetoric like a Tory…
Everyone from a poor or working class family understands that poverty isn’t something you can graft your way out of. Also, a man described as “96 and a half” and the most fragile among Charlie’s grandparents, managed to muster the energy to celebrate his grandson winning a prize and then accompanied him on a half day tour round a local factory. If you think that’s sufficient to classify him as work capable, then you’ve got a bright future conducting disability assessments for the DWP.
You can really help a household by doing very little. Even if all you are capable of is cleaning the table once a day that is just one more thing no one else has to do. My youngest child can now finally put her own clothing away if I put it in her room. Which saves me about 30 minutes or so a week. Basically yes you are right. Joe doesn’t have to be pulling a plow but if he can do literally anything, which he can, he can help.
So fuck him and fuck the transformative power of dreams bullshit
My grandma could have mustered a single jig and one day of walking in her 90s. She definitely would not have been able to work a part time job. I think you just want an excuse to hate grandpa Joe, so you invent one even though on proper scrutiny it doesn’t hold up to reality. But you don’t need to justify hating someone, you’re allowed to just hate them for no good reason. Instead of throwing all old people under the bus for the sake of hating Joe, just let the hate flow through you without needing to find a reason for it.
You do have a point. My wife has a patient who is 95 and the fact that she can walk to the store, buy eggs, bring them home, and cook them is very impressive.
In the United Kingdom, and therefore Wales, where Roald Dahl is from had an old age pension for all of Dahl’s life. So I don’t think forcing old people to work to death is the point. Blaming old pension accessible people for not working is the same as blaming children for not working in my opinion.
They’ve probably worked all their life and paid taxes for it. They deserve the rest.
One day of basically just walking around like a tourist isn’t quite the same as a 9-5 at even low intensity jobs
Also, he’s probably not able to find work, it’s the 60s-70s in the UK and Joe only ever worked at Wonka’s, odds are he doesn’t have the qualifications to work for anyone else, and anyone he might be able to are probably covered by the VERY intense NC order Wonka probably made his workers sign after the breach of his IP.
Yeh. People give grandpa Joe a hard time but what about the other 3 grifters. And let’s not forget the kid. He could have easily worked 16hours a day in a coal mine and instead treats his family like shit by buying chocolate for himself out of shameless greed
Fuck Grandpa Joe and all, but the guy in Saving Private Ryan who stands on the stairs while his squad mate is being killed just inside the door usually gets my vote for biggest piece of shit in cinema history.
This sounds like a moral position until actually having one’s life threatened. There’s no reason to give bravery credit to a statement. That scene showed the paralysis effect of our brain, the ENTIRE POINT is that he was unable to save his friend. Same point is referenced multiple times in the book, and once more(without nominal reference) in the series. Spielberg and Hanks saved their audience of most of the visible anguish and tears in the interwoven interviews. Honestly, the author of the book saves the audience from details, too. It was all THAT BAD.
So.
The folks who said it “wasn’t that bad” and “Hillary evil”, nearly in the same breath, have an accessible platform with an audience that can presume engagement (including purchasing). Jones even attacked parents of murdered children with his newfound power. Confirming that infamous line about absolute (in his small pond) power: it corrupts absolutely.
Honestly I heard one of my nieces or nephews in my head saying “So what?” because that’s their thing lately and the tangent fell freely from my brainmeats.
I’m not surprised, I got the vibe this is something you feel very passionate about that the tangents just come naturally at this point. Maybe I’m projecting cuz that’s where I’m at haha.
Everyone thinks they’re better than those put regularly in high stress real life and death scenarios.
Nobody really understands it until it happens to them. Unfortunately it’s the nature of the human brain.
Everyone thinks a panic attack can be pushed through with sheer willpower too. They also don’t understand the difference between garden variety anxiety and a full blown panic attack.
Also - and I’m only familiar with the 1971 film version with Gene Wilder - Grandpa Joe is clearly the only friend, companion, and available adult in Charlie’s life who he can talk to. His mother is too busy from working to support the family. He doesn’t have friends or money to spend. And Grandpa Joe does show some guilt and awareness about not contributing more to the family. He has that great line when Charlie tries to give him a nickel for tobacco: “When a loaf of bread looks like a banquet, I’ve no right buying tobacco.”
I mean, OK for not picking some random girl and mocking her particularly but what about all the girls in the audience that look like the kid? It’s still a pretty fucked up joke in retrospect.
I don’t think the problem was the photo, the problem was the reaction of disgust, and the fact that the whole purpose of the photo was to laugh at the ugly person. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say maybe that’s not the best way to go
I love it. You need someone who is gonna be ok with being the butt of an ugly joke and being in on it is better than not. So the kid put on a wig and makes the silliest face he can for a one off and they get to brag they are in the movie in silly way and no one is hurt by it.
Or would you prefer they go to the union for ugly actors?
Yeah, maybe. Though what if Grandpa Joe is chronically ill with waxing and waning debility. There are lots of folks in that boat. Maybe he was just having a very good week. One of the chief complaints I hear from friends that are so stricken is that when they are having an ok day, and are out doing something important or essential or even fun, they are seen by some dillweed that takes it as proof they are a lazy, shiftless malingerer.
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