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BarrierWithAshes, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Pfft. If Spotify wants me to up the subscription they should give me the ability to directly download songs.

emptyother, in You can now react to messages on Gmail | TechCrunch

Eh… They chose to use the email protocol to send each emoji?! So external users or third-party clients (or school and work accounts for some reason) will be spammed. Won’t a bunch of gmails get marked as spammers then?

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  • Chobbes,

    Which RFCs are you referring to?

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  • Chobbes,

    Thanks :). I’ve actually been looking for the RSVP stuff and I wasn’t sure which RFC to look through (wasn’t sure if it was in the CalDAV one or the iCalendar one… and they’re weirdly huge). I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction!

    Also was curious how they were implementing reactions in e-mail. I actually think it’s a good feature, and it’s one that’s slowly been making it into XMPP and stuff. Emoji reactions and stuff sound kind of dumb and like a “whatever, who cares?” feature, but I find that on platforms like slack they’re actually a really good way to deal with quickly confirming something / finalizing decisions / quickly gauging the opinion of a group. I think a huge problem with e-mail and instant messaging is that they can be quite noisy, so having a “quiet” way to respond without having a thread explode is actually pretty welcome in my opinion.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Hasn’t Pandora had “AI playlists” for like 15 years?

    Bitrot,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    So has Spotify, and off and on the enable or disable easy access. In the past it was Spotify stations (standalone app), for a while you could create recommendation playlists based on artists, genres, or decades. Now they do it for you by making playlists like those themselves, “mix” playlists, “day list”, suggestions in shuffle, never ending playlists, and a bunch of other similar things that attempt to select things they think you’ll like.

    Every Noise at Once shows some of the linkages using a ton of their dynamically generated genre playlists: everynoise.com

    Overzeetop,

    Pandora’s entire reason for being was essentially a ML (/AI) exercise to fingerprint and associate music. It’s still pretty brilliant, really.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    I've been a paying subscriber since 2007 and it's given me so much new music I'd never have heard of without it.

    Oddly enough, regardless of the station, it'll play me some Johnny Cash. Metal station? Johnny Cash. Punk station? Johnny Cash. Funk station? Believe it or not, Johnny Cash. I have the best Pandora in the world thanks to Johnny Cash.

    YeetPics, in Brave lays off 9% of its workforce | TechCrunch
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Only 91% of total layoffs remaining.

    neptune, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch

    The AI Dj was promising, but broken.

    Would be cool to tell Spotify “make an angry Playlist I would have like in 2012” or “play music from fantasy films” or whatever. But worth that much more per month? Hmm

    smoof,

    It needs an option to turn off the commentary. I can't stand it.

    floofloof,

    Isn’t the inane commentary the only thing that distinguishes the AI DJ from the other playlists Spotify generates each day?

    fiat_lux, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch

    That reminds me, I need to audit my Spotify library, acquire the library another way and cancel my subscription.

    datavoid,

    Tune my music worked the best from my testing

    Iwasondigg, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch

    Can I just get one without ads? That’s what I’ve been paying for and now suddenly podcasts have ads.

    Zorque,

    Are they ads spotify put there, or specific sponsors for the podcast as part of the base audio?

    RampageDon,

    You pay for no ads through Spotify, but a podcast is sponsored they place ads in their cast unrelated to Spotify. I know how shitty that sounds and is, but it’s probably the only way those pods are making money.

    YaBoyMax,

    Spotify does actually push me ads for random podcasts or album releases a couple times a month. I know that isn’t what the original commenter was talking about, but it would be nice if they could knock that shit off.

    Iwasondigg,

    Nope. Spotify recently started adding adds before my podcasts. So now I have to sit through three ads before the podcasts starts and the I have to sit through the ads the podcasts add. It’s unbearable.

    RampageDon,

    A little bit of searching and I found this…Spotify Premium reserves the right to insert ads on exclusive podcasts, and ones that they produce/own. Ads will never be inserted into music streaming.

    My best guess would be that since they allow ads for podcasts, they are throwing in Spotify pushed ads on podcasts they own. Do you happen to know if it’s specific podcasts? I would probably unsubcribe if I was randomly getting ads. The only other thing I found was people still getting ads when they were using air play, but that was a desync bug.

    CmdrShepard,

    Spotify has bought out some podcasts and injected their own ads into them. You can tell which ones these are because the “now playing” bar switches from the podcast to the title of the ad. I find I’m unable to skip these in my car with my infotainment controls too which has lead to me unsubscribing from some of them.

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Those ads are in the podcasts themselves, not added by Spotify.

    Iwasondigg,

    I’m not referring to those ads. These are ads spotify adds before those ads. It’s a recent thing they started doing.

    The_Hunted_One,
    @The_Hunted_One@beehaw.org avatar

    I’ve been listening to podcasts through Spotify for a while now, and they’re definitely inserted by Spotify from my experience. I’ve had personalized ads show up during defined ad break times, or the ad starts rolling mid sentence/doesn’t roll when they say it’s ad time.

    lolola, in You can now react to messages on Gmail | TechCrunch
    @lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    HR: This email is to inform you of concerns about your professionalism in the workplace.

    Me: 👍 🎉 😂

    Send_me_nude_girls,

    🥵🤤🍆👅💦💦

    HurlingDurling,

    HR: 🎀☠️

    Granixo, in You can now react to messages on Gmail | TechCrunch
    @Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

    Great!

    More reasons to use Gmail Go or an alternative e-mail client. 🤓🖥️

    TheButtonJustSpins,

    Or switch off Gmail altogether.

    ram, in You can now react to messages on Gmail | TechCrunch
    @ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Why?

    Rentlar,

    🤷‍♀️

    otter, in You can now react to messages on Gmail | TechCrunch

    Why though

    detectivemittens,

    This is giving me “how do you do, fellow kids” vibes.

    liv,

    Yes, it’s a massive level of cringe.

    Gmail is convenient, but if it’s about to be filled with 😊 and 👍 then I’ve got to stop using it for any serious communication.

    megopie,

    Because innovation is their passion, and clearly e-mail needed to be innovated on.

    falsem,

    I work at a large company so get a lot of emails. This could conceivably cutdown on the amount of "Nice job!" type emails that don't really have much substance.

    otter,

    Oh that’s a good point, it could help in professional settings

    theforkofdamocles,

    If it cuts down the Reply to All good job chains, I’m for it.

    SteveTech,

    Outlook has had this for a while, and I use it a fair bit to acknowledge that I’ve read the email, but without actually replying.

    Pons_Aelius, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch

    I'm really getting tired of every new product announcement having AI tacked on in some way.

    Lanthanae,
    @Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    To be fair, Spotify’s recommendation system is the only algorithmic content feed that I feel actually gets me the kind of stuff I want rather than just exploiting my psyche, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Spotify’s AI integration is likewise the only of it’s kind that has real benefit.

    It could also be completely useless, who knows 🤷

    Pons_Aelius,

    algorithmic content

    That's my point. I am not knocking the feature, just the marketing push now to call an algorithm feed AI.

    I doubt there has been any actual change in the feed just the term.

    It is buzzword bullshit.

    Max_P,
    @Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

    It is buzzword bullshit.

    And a fad, probably. Everyone's trying to capitalize on the wow effect of ChatGPT.

    Before AI it was neural network, and before that it was machine learning.

    Mac,

    “it’s buzzword bullshit” because it works.

    Pons_Aelius,

    The fact we are complaining about it means...

    pollen,

    … nothing, because people on the internet complain about everything. Every time. I mean, this service isn’t even out yet, so there hasn’t even been a chance to evaluate their music discovery algorithm.

    I understand and relate with the frustration regarding the whole “more streaming services, higher fees” thing that’s still continuing in the industry, though. I mean, $20 a month for just music?! There are competing services that offer lossless audio at a lower price. But yeah—streamflation sucks!

    wagesj45,
    @wagesj45@kbin.social avatar

    If it's a neural network doing it, then that's fine.

    entropicdrift,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Even that’s a fairly new standard for calling something AI. Video Game enemy algorithms have always been called AI, for instance, regardless of their underlying technologies. That’s part of why people tend to use ML (Machine Learning) as an alternative term: AI has meant a lot of things over the years and the term is so general that using it to refer to e.g. LLMs (Large Language Models) is just confusing

    wagesj45,
    @wagesj45@kbin.social avatar

    I think we just have to accept that marketing has to dumb down and generalize for the mass market.

    entropicdrift,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Well yes, but my point is that “AI” is so broad a term and open to so many interpretations as to mean absolutely nothing about the tech in question.

    saigot, (edited )

    IDK I think it’s pretty cool to have a voice that knows my name and tells me the theme of the next few tracks. I really wish I could give it some more feedback but as it is it’s a small but nice addition sometimes that isn’t possible without the recent AI advancements. I wouldn’t pay more for it though.

    jcarax,

    There’s way too much emphasis on a few songs from each artist that seem to make them more money, or are otherwise pushed by the record companies. AI or not, if it gets me deeper tracks in my daily mixes and artist radios, I’ll pay the extra for that and lossless.

    CmdrShepard,

    I used to really enjoy the Discover Weekly lists but for the past few years it just pushes what sounds like AI generated music. It’s like a bunch of covers of popular music done by people I’ve never even heard of (who probably cost Spotify less $ per play). I’ve had better luck with stuff like Spot-a-like recommending new/similar music that I actually might like.

    SugarApplePie,
    @SugarApplePie@beehaw.org avatar

    There’s a lot of commotion about how so many Jazz tracks that pop up in Spotify playlists come from clearly made up bands with one or two songs, millions of views, and no internet presence anywhere outside of Spotify.

    thejml,

    At least we moved on from everything being blockchain I guess. I was over that trend. Wonder how long AI will be a buzzword.

    Pons_Aelius,

    Wonder how long AI will be a buzzword.

    Until the next one comes along.

    entropicdrift,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It’s been a buzzword for like 50 years now, if you count video games/computer chess

    CosmoNova,

    As if Spotify wasn‘t bordering bloatware territory already. Just give me a music subscription service without the dozenth of functions I will never use or „recommendations“ that are clearly just paid ads and don‘t fit my taste at all.

    iso, in Spotify spotted prepping a $19.99/mo 'Superpremium' service with lossless audio, AI playlists and more | TechCrunch
    @iso@lemy.lol avatar

    So they’re using our data and also getting paid for it 😄 I want to ditch it but can’t find an alternative that simple and with wide library.

    Onii-Chan,
    @Onii-Chan@kbin.social avatar

    InnerTune is what finally got me to ditch Spotify. It's free, no account required, uses YouTube Music (so imo, a wider range of content) AND shuffle is genuinely random.

    8bitguy,

    Deezer is decent.

    pollen,

    You mean deezent?

    Albin7326,
    @Albin7326@suppo.fi avatar

    Why not use youtube music via a foss client ? Or just use spottube.

    WarmSoda,

    YouTube with an ad block/an api. It has every song and album on it, you can make playlists and there’s a million playlists already on it.

    pollen,

    Not lossless, so it’s not comparable.

    WarmSoda,

    Then buy the music and use a media player.

    pollen,

    Less convenient and you lose music discovery. Also not comparable.

    wagesj45,
    @wagesj45@kbin.social avatar

    So they’re using our data and also getting paid for it

    Yeah? Isn't that the point of paying for a music service? I pay, they give me access to music and curate it in a way that would be enjoyable to me. How could they do that without some information about me? This is a prime example of what a company should use your data for.

    This logic is really sending me, man.

    entropicdrift,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Tidal has better sound quality and works just as well

    pollen,
    entropicdrift,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    OK, didn’t say it was. Just said the sound quality was better than Spotify

    pollen,

    With Spotify going lossless, I don’t see how Tidal’s sound quality can be “better”.

    Unless if you’re referring to Spotify’s current sound quality—in which case you’re making a meaningless comparison.

    entropicdrift,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    My comment was in the present tense. I thought that much was self-explanatory.

    Tidal offers their “lossless” audio at their lowest tier, for Spotify it’ll cost $20/month. The article we’re all here commenting on mentions how Spotify previously announced and then failed to launch their Hifi service.

    Suffice it to say I don’t think this is as clear cut of a case as you’re making it out to be

    ensignrick,
    @ensignrick@startrek.website avatar

    I’ve had a Spotify sub for 10+ years. I’m getting really close to ditching it because imo the app design is getting worse as prices increase… I was super disappointed in the car thing too. Spotube is a really nice alternative that’s foss. Checkout spotube.netlify.app.

    verysoft,

    Yesss, it's UX was the main selling point it had over competitors and why I also kept with it. It has slowly started going down hill with all these library and playlist changes they have seemingly made for no reason at all, while they keep ignoring user requested features. Will check out this spotube.

    AlexWIWA,

    Every ui update makes the app significantly worse

    audiomodder,

    I’ve been using Apple Music for a couple years now and I’m pretty satisfied with it. I moved because Spotify pays artists atrociously and Apple is at least a little better. There hasn’t been much I haven’t been able to find, since there are a lot of services out there that will handle the release of music to multiple platforms easily.

    Rai,

    I went from flac hoarding to Apple Music because they have lossless by default, and I love it. I still hoard flacs, but now when I’m not at home I have most all of the songs I love, lossless.

    strangerloop,

    Tidal’s pretty good, they cost the same as spotify but all accounts have access to lossless. The playlists it makes for me are no worse than spotify’s and I can sleep happy knowing the artists I listen to get compensated better than on either Spotify or Apple Music.

    I also feel the app’s design helps me see music in the context of the album it was released in instead of as random tracks, which has made me reconnect with some kinds of music I’d grown apart from after I got Spotify.

    Ghoelian,

    Tidal’s base subscription costs the same as spotify, but to get lossless you have to pay more. Where I live it’s 20 euros / month for lossless.

    java,

    I decided to give it a try.

    https://i.imgur.com/9qaysjT.png

    An ‘invalid’ character in a password, that’s just great.

    Zaktor, in U.S. is sending a carrier strike group closer to Israel and will begin supplying munitions starting today

    How could Israel possibly need munitions after years and years of military subsidies? Especially just to fight Hamas (and do some retaliatory killing of civilians). This isn’t a Ukraine situation where a major power is invading a weaker enemy who has had to choose between military spending and social spending, this is the more powerful country attacking a weaker insurgency while being continually fed funding for their military from a superpower.

    Rapidcreek,

    According to the clips I’ve seen, they’re firing a lot of iron dome anitiair. Wouldn’t doubt they’ll need missle restock.

    Zaktor,

    The billions of dollars they’ve received is more than enough to have stockpiled a large multiple of whatever rockets Hamas was able to somehow build up in secret. “We give you $3.8B per year” should also mean “manage your own munitions when fighting a small insurgency”. If they got into another war with Iran, sure, that could warrant big brother stepping in and turning on the missile spigot, but they’re not even at war with an actual nation.

    Rapidcreek, (edited )

    I don’t know if I should explain how foreign aid works, how many long range missles Hamas controls and how they got them, what a small insurgency is, how an anti-missle system works, or something else you seem to need clarity on. So, I think you should just keep ranting.

    Zaktor,

    Oooh, we got an expert explainer in the house, everyone! Let’s hear it expert, and cite your sources, we’d all love to learn from such a valuable resource.

    Rapidcreek,

    I’m smart enough to know a drunk when I see one. Goodluck in life .

    Zaktor,

    People can make fun of your lazy argument without being drunk. It’s quite easy.

    You want to act like you’re a deep expert and everyone who disagrees with your positions is ignorant, here’s your chance to prove it. If not for me, do it for everyone else, because right not many people seem to be upvoting your obvious brilliance. You do want them to understand and acknowledge your expertise, don’t you? Or was this just a tired rhetorical device people have been using for decades to posture on the internet when they believe they’re right but don’t want to go through all the effort of proving it?

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    This IS a proxy war from Iran.

    Iran will give Hamas and other militant terrorist groups like Palestinian Islamic Jihad as many arms as they can get across the border.

    That’s a rather significant fact to be unaware of.

    zerfuffle,

    Recent reporting from AP indicates that the Israeli blockade has meant that the primary source of explosives used in Hamas missiles are those extracted from unexploded Israeli munitions fired on Gaza.

    Iran is mostly only capable of supporting Hamas through intelligence and through designs/blueprints (things that don’t really require transport).

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    You mean the same report which also talks about arms coming into Gaza via Sudan? But yes, Gaza militants fire so many rockets and missiles at Israel they have to make their own in addition. This smuggling includes key components. And yes, Iran’s contributions are far bigger than smuggling in arms. My bad for not including a full list 🙄

    None of this changes the fact that it is a proxy war with Iran.

    Zaktor, (edited )

    I’m not unaware of it, it’s just not remotely a threat that means $3.8B a year isn’t enough. Israel estimated 1,000 fighters were involved in the recent attacks. And that was considered a lot! Ukraine was invaded by 150,000 soldiers in a modern (ish) military with a full state actor behind it, not smuggled weaponry from a regional power which is still weaker than Israel itself.

    emma, (edited )
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    I’m countering the way you downplayed Hamas’ resources. You keep doing this which leads to sloppy opinions. Especially so if you truly are aware of the resources Iran puts into their proxy wars.

    The PRESENCE (not necessarily use) of additional weapons NOW is geo-political message to Iran to de-escalate, that the US will respond in some way. Iran will hear it even if you can’t, we’ll see what they do.

    HiT3k,

    Okay genius, so what’s Iran’s military budget, what is Israel’s, and how much value in aid is Iran providing to Hamas annually? It’s more than $3.8b?

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    We add a cool $5 billion to the Republicard every year on Israel’s behalf.

    But the thing is… war is good business. I’d be surprised if there weren’t a legislator in Washington that hasn’t already made a stock move based on their classified briefings on this event.

    jarfil,

    Last thing I’ve heard is China would be supporting Palestine/Hamas. If that were to translate into weapon supplies, it could turn into a hairy situation.

    agarorn,

    That would be a Novum, wouldn’t it? China supplying weapons in a large quantity to foreign organisation’s.

    bingbong,

    What is a novum?

    agarorn,

    Ah. Apparently this is rarely used in English. Replace it with novelty.

    zerfuffle,

    China hasn’t even supported Russia with weapon supplies. This is fear mongering a what-if that contradicts Chinese foreign policy in the first place. China’s foreign policy is one of fierce neutrality for anyone not encroaching on their own sovereignty, often to a fault.

    China considers both Israel and Palestine to be strategically important allies in the region, so there’s no way they’re going to pick a side in this conflict unless that side is in support of one of China’s more significant allies (Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.)

    jarfil, (edited )

    This is fear mongering

    Possible. To my excuse, I heard it on TV (on a supposedly reputable channel, but still).

    Another thing I’ve heard, is that apparently Russia would’ve been supplying Hamas with the NATO weapons they’ve been seizing in Ukraine from among the ones supplied as NATO aid.

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    Hamas is the second richest terror organisation. Funding from Iran but they also grift 13% of all aid money going into Gaza via charges for currency conversion. “Not for resale” aid food products are routinely sold for profit in Gaza.

    Hamas routinely chooses military spending over social spending. It’s always been their way.

    Zaktor,

    “The second richest terror organization” is like talking about the second toughest fifth grader when discussing whether a prize fighter needs help in a one on one fight.

    Hamas routinely chooses military spending over social spending. It’s always been their way.

    How is this remotely relevant? It’s like you just scanned for keywords and then remixed them to make an irrelevant comparison.

    emma, (edited )
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    False equivalence from you there. Oh so false. I’m pointing out some of the flaws in your thinking. Don’t downplay Hamas’ resources.

    zerfuffle,

    You’re downplaying Israel’s resources lol

    Israel’s occupation of Palestine makes the Xinjiang situation look downright utopian. Education? Jobs? Infrastructure?

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    Oh you truly do not understand the situation with Palestine if you think it’s worse than Xinjiang. Would probably be good to reconsider your “sources” for this, someone’s misleading you badly.

    zerfuffle,

    Are you forgetting how the Americans funded the American Revolution against Britain?

    When living under constant suppression, inequality, and a state of war (and a blockade IS a state of war), are you really looking for a peaceful solution?

    emma, (edited )
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    Are you naive enough to think Hamas is open to a peaceful solution? Their f-ing charter calls for slaughtering Jews OUTSIDE of Israel as well as annihilating those inside.

    No peaceful solution is currently possible. There isn’t any solution at all right now.

    If it weren’t for the blockade and the security fence, the horrors of Saturday’s massacres would be standard. Hamas shows you exactly who they are and you’re blaming Israel for taking necessary measures to reduce terrorism? Israel isn’t perfect but my word, understand who Hamas are and how much responsibility they have for conditions in Gaza.

    zerfuffle,

    Hamas doesn’t get it’s support because people woke up and decided to be radical Islamists lol

    It takes years of oppression, inequality, and discrimination to radicalize most people.

    emma,
    @emma@beehaw.org avatar

    LOL. No. Jihad against Jews existed long before Hamas become an organisation for a small part of it. Your grasp of both history and current events isn’t anywhere near as solid as you seem to think it is. The gap in your logic and knowledge here is a chasm.

    DeForrest_McCoy, (edited ) in U.S. is sending a carrier strike group closer to Israel and will begin supplying munitions starting today

    To think republicans pretend like aiding Ukraine is the real problem… yet They’ll blow Netanyoohoo any time he wants. If anyone in Washington had a damn lick of sense they’d cut Israel off entirely.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    If anyone in Washington cared we wouldn’t spend a dollar on foreign war (as opposed to domestic defense) until domestic needs are 100% taken care of.

    rgb3x3,

    While I agree that we very much need to take care of domestic issues, it’s more complicated than that. It’s in the global best interest for us to help Ukraine steamroll Russia. We’re getting a bargain that way, rather than becoming directly involved in a conflict.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    Yeah, that’s the same thing people say every time a war pops up. It was also the justification for the trillions we wasted in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Karzyn,

    The US supporting a country fighting a defensive war against an aggressive invader isn’t equivalent to it invading another country and attempting regime change.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    You’re right. It’s more like 1983, when we poured money out for Saddam Hussein because his guys were going to fight Iraq for us.

    That worked out well.

    But, in the end, it doesn’t matter. There’s a blank check for war and I’d just love it if people cared about the extent to which we neglect our own people in service of it.

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