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Quexotic, in World facing ‘hellish’ 3C of climate heating, UN warns before Cop28

Aren’t we on track for 9°c or something like that?

I feel sad for my kids. Also guilty.

admin,
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Also guilty.

Why would you feel this way…most of us were born into this world not knowing anything about climate change…I only learned about it in 2007…Scientists have known about this problem, at least, since the 1950s…It has been shown, many times over, that the primary responsibility (of no longer burning fossil fuels) falls onto a handful (or so) of very large corporations…Of course, they want the every day person to feel guilty and have been pushing green-washing propaganda for decades onto all of us…propaganda works in their favor to deflect the blame off of themselves and onto you and I.

Right now, China and India must get on board quickly in order for the future populations to subvert the worst case scenarios.

Quexotic,

I feel guilty for bringing kids into this world, friend. That’s why.

Jack,

The 1992 Earth Summit in Rio (where the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change was created) was a landmark year for the news reporting that climate change is by far the most important issue humans are facing. Widely seen news has been reporting scientists’ warnings about the existential threat of our overpopulation and fossil fuel since then, and in the last 30 years the media has been reporting on it more and more every year.

falls onto a handful (or so) of very large corporations

Those companies are not burning the planet for the hell of it - they do it because billions of people choose to buy their biosphere destroying products and services.

While we should vote for Greens who’ll make laws where anyone using more than 2.1 tonnes of CO2e per person per year is jailed, instead of for people and parties who subsidize overpopulation and fossil fuel use - in the short term that usually doesn’t do anything unless a threshold is passed. Individual action (reducing our communities’ fertility rate by 2 orders of magnitude for several decades, not flying, not driving, not living in unsustainable places, …) while vanishingly small, does actually make a measurable difference.

OmnipotentEntity, (edited ) in World facing ‘hellish’ 3C of climate heating, UN warns before Cop28
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Hey at least we got the CEO of a Saudi oil company heading up the climate talks. I’m sure that he’s perfectly willing to set aside his own personal interests and take one for the team and reduce his profits by leaving Saudi oil in the ground, and encouraging (or even requiring???) everyone else to do the same, right? Right?

BruceTwarzen,

Ever since i saw an update on "the line" that they are building, i realised that we're absolutely fucked as a species. For the better probably.

Mongostein, (edited )

Some of us will survive and rebuild, but we’ll lose our history and destroy everything again in another 2000 years or so. We’ve probably done this 100 times already.

/s(?)

Butterbee, in Albania opposition starts fire in parliament during anti-government protest
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usually setting fire to parliament is treated a little more strongly than just “protesting”

riquisimo, in 40 workers have been trapped inside a collapsed tunnel in India for over a week and 3 attempts to drill through the debris have failed so far

Dang that’s crazy.

The fact that they can send them food, water, and air is really great. But over a week in a dark tunnel is still mentally taxing.

tsonfeir,
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I’m sure it smells great too…

Senex, in 40 workers have been trapped inside a collapsed tunnel in India for over a week and 3 attempts to drill through the debris have failed so far
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Where’s the Elong Muskrat? He usually gets a stiffie over these kinds of things.

bermuda,

Hes gotta call the people actually helping “pedo guys” first

doolijb,

Only when kids are involved

petrescatraian, in Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes

@throws_lemy I just read about this guy on a Telegram channel that I follow (content is in Romanian). What the hell?!? How can people actually vote for a crazy dude like him?!? There's a shitload of stuff that he wants that even a moderately right-wing person would disagree.

Even our most right-wing extremists would go crazy at the thought of abolishing the national currency in exchange for a foreign one (or maybe it's only when it's about Euros, who knows). Let alone selling babies and organs on the free market.

Radiant_sir_radiant,

I don’t think most people actually voted for him - it’s more like he was the lesser of two evils. Now consider what that says about the other candidate.

petrescatraian,

@Radiant_sir_radiant I'm still struggling to understand what could be worse than selling babies and organs on the free market.

Radiant_sir_radiant,

I know, right? Consider this though: Argentina’s biggest problem right now is the economy, and his opponent in the presidential race was the current finance minister, who one could argue has already given a quite impressive demonstration of his incompetence. “Four more years of the same” simply isn’t a realistic option. Milei’s plans for the economy on the other hand could be worth a try.

I suspect he’s a bit of a calculated risk to many - some of his ideas might actually be good for the economy (not the selling babies part obviously), and his more, uhm, controversial ideas are highly likely to be blocked by parliament. In that aspect he might be the kind of healing shock that the country needs.

So far we know that he appears to have toned down his rhetoric a bit since his victory, and that the other party supporting him plans to ‘keep him in check’ in parliament. Let’s see how that turns out.

petrescatraian,

@Radiant_sir_radiant does his party have any chance of forming a majority in the parliament all by itself?

Radiant_sir_radiant, (edited )

From what I hear the answer is no. The current opposition party (JxC) started supporting him when it was clear that their candidate couldn’t win against the incumbent party’s candidate (Sergio Massa, the current minister of economy), but they say they plan to vote against some of Milei’s more radical ideas.
What actually happens, and how many of his ideas Milei will actually try to get through parliament, remains to be seen.

AlmightyTritan,

I wonder if they are banking on, to put it into meme terms, “Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point”.

And obviously I mean that in terms of a “great point” for the opposition.

I really don’t know anything about the parliamentary system of this country, hell I barely know enough about my own country, but this seems like at the best an interesting play and at the worst a huge miscalculation that will bite them in the arse.

Radiant_sir_radiant,

Your guess is as good as mine. 🤷‍♂️ You know how the things politicians say before the elections and the things they do afterwards don’t necessarily have a lot in common, so I guess it remains exciting.

sanzky, in Revealed: the huge climate impact of the middle classes

middle class is now “the richest 10%”? not sure they know what “middle” means

frog, (edited )

I can see how the richest 10% of the entire global population would include a fair chunk of the middle class in the richest nations. But the article specifies the richest 10% of many countries causing more emissions than the poorest 10% of their fellow citizens - and neither the richest nor poorest 10% of those countries are “middle class”. They definitely do not know what “middle” means.

Edit: reading further into the article, they do actually specify that the middle class of many rich countries are in the top 10% globally - anyone earning over £32k/$40k are in the top 10% for the entire global population, despite these being very modest incomes in the UK and US respectively.

WHARRGARBL,

According to this tone deaf article, the middle class is still taking family vacations to Italy and Iceland, without sparing a thought for the carbon emissions of our flights.

Shame on us all for doing the things we’ve never done!

Paragone, in Why does China claim almost the entire South China Sea?

it is called “establishing ownership”.

Once their identity is consolidated that way,

then they can enforce their certain-in-their-own-unconscious ownership of Asia, through any violence necessary.


You can see equivalent self-dishonesty in the West, & you can see it in Modi’s delusion that Russia is going to help them against China, even through Russia is financially now a vassal-state of China…

Once the economy guts the Democrats in the US, losing them the 2024 election, & Trump guts NATO, backs Russia & Saudi Arabia,

what is going to protect Asia from China’s smashing it like they did Tibet?

7 years from Trump’s coronation ( in 2025 ) is all Asia has left, it seems.


Establishing ownership is fundamental to bullying, btw: rodents do it, sneaking into places at night, so that they feel righteous when fighting for “their” new territory during the day…

I hadn’t understood that bullying had both a yin/molesting/violating phase & a yang/overt-bullying phase until rodents taught me how it’s done…

The governments who push privacy-violating laws & systems, then later stomp civil-rights, they are demonstrating exactly the same Pattern.

The religions who push for “some” control of everybody’s life, relentlessly pushing for “a little more” authority, then once a tipping-point is crossed, suddenly they can switch from yin-bullying to yang-bullying … same thing.

It’s a really common pattern throughout human history, lately…

Radiant_sir_radiant, in Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes

It could be worse really. At least the people who watch NASCAR for the crashes are gonna have four very entertaining years ahead of them.

Namstel, in Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes

That’s going to end well…

Thorny_Insight, in Richest 1% account for more carbon emissions than poorest 66%, report says

The most comprehensive study of global climate inequality ever undertaken shows that this elite group, made up of 77 million people including billionaires, millionaires and those paid more than US$140,000 (£112,500) a year, accounted for 16% of all CO2 emissions in 2019

So while this obviously also includes billionaires, this group still mostly consists of wealthy upper-middle class. So in other words; people that can afford a house, two cars and few trips abroad per year generate more carbon emissions than the ones that can’t. Shocker.

Eggyhead,
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two cars

Imagine being able to afford just the house first...

jivandabeast,

Where the fuck are you buying a house and taking on two car payments for $140k 😭

villasv, (edited ) in Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes

Holy guacamole, Argentina was at the precipice’s edge and finally decided to take a step forward

Sorry for the comrades who will have to deal with this hell

Spitzspot, in Richest 1% account for more carbon emissions than poorest 66%, report says
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When do we eat?

anachronist, in U.S. President Biden says "Gaza and the West Bank should be reunited under single government" and "extremist violence against Palestinians in the West Bank must stop"

Extremist violence against the Palestinians in Gaza, on the other hand…

Devi, in Israel-Hamas War: Israeli Army Takes Journalists on Controlled Visit to Gaza Hospital

This whole thing reeks of desperation, they’re grasping at straws to defend murdering babies, but there’s zero defence here.

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