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RuikkaaPrus, in Murena vs disroot
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In my experience. I didn’t like Murena. I used it for a while (I think 6 months. I don’t remember well). And yes, it’s “ok”, but the interface is a bit broken.

The good thing is that there is a lot of software you can use there: OnlyOffice, NextCloud (much of their software), Searx and even Gitlab are there.

Another thing: if you like SMPT and IMAP, the Murena account offers you this. I prefer Proton, but it a good option too.

itsaj26744,
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Disroot also gives all +Xmpp +Fediverse

RuikkaaPrus,
@RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml avatar

Disroot also gives all +Xmpp +Fediverse

Well then, why no choose Disroot instead?

filister, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

When companies build shitty software for which they charge arms and legs extra and are pissed that someone found their way around it

eager_eagle, (edited ) in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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Translation: our legal team has to justify their employment, thus we’re threatening non-profit open source projects that can’t fight back and pose no harm whatsoever to the company’s financials, market position, customers, or any other stakeholder.

It’d be awesome if the maintainers could get a pro bono advice / representation here to make a proper response. They’re volunteering their free time improving an extensive list of crappy products of a brand and this is what they get back? Disgusting move from Haier.

Rentlar,

EFF.org would have lawyers, that I hope would take up the case to help the original repo maintainer out…

Static_Rocket, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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significant economic harm to our company

Oh! I have a solution! Make it a local API you fucking goofs.

Damage,

I went with Daikin 'cause they had local control… Except that they changed it in the meantime, and I had 2 different AC splits connected to the pump, one of them is older and still has local control, while the other is newer and doesn’t. Fuck all of them.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

You can make a thermostat with a raspberry pi, a few sensors, and a relay board. They’re pretty simple devices.

Really, you don’t even need a pi. An ESP8266 would be more than sufficient.

Source: I made my own thermostat from an esp8266, some sensors, and a relay board.

Damage,

I did that, for my gas heater.

AC is more complex, it has fan speed, air direction (2 of them), temperature settings and so on. I solved with an IR blaster, but that’s not what I wanted, I specifically selected this brand to have local control via wifi.

frezik, (edited )

Good enough for a fan, furnace, and AC setup. What we need going forward, though, is something that can intelligently use heat pumps to take into account electrical costs, current rooftop solar generation (if any), and the heat pump’s efficiency ratings in order to most efficiently balance between the heat pump and a regular furnace. Can choose the balance between either cheapest way to run or the least amount of CO2 (which won’t always match up). May also have to consider multi-stage setups where you can run it at low/medium/high levels.

I don’t think it’s impossible for a FOSS solution to do this, but I don’t think anyone has tackled it, either.

kent_eh,

I don’t think it’s impossible for a FOSS solution to do this, but I don’t think anyone has tackled it, either

That’s just a software problem. Not all that difficult, assuming the hardware manufacturers don’t lock you into some bullshit locked down proprietary cloud control thing.

rishado,

My manager once asked me if I could code in API

speaker_hat,

It depends if it’s in the cloud or not

frezik,

Nah, I’d rather data get sent out to external servers and then come back. This is efficient and very smart.

notfromhere, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

How is the plugin illegal?

Dehydrated,

Ask those brain dead fucks at Haier

notfromhere,

It sounds like someone out of their jurisdiction should host the repos and tell them to pound sand.

Dehydrated,

Codeberg is hosted in Germany

subtext,

Pretty sure the maintainer is in Germany so that wouldn’t help (unless you meant something else by your comment)

gomp,

It’s not like a judge said it’s illegal… what happened is that a huge multinational company sent a menacing letter to a developer regarding their hobby project, and the developer —understandably— decided to comply.

4am,

Yeah, even though the claim is 1000% horseshit, it’s not like some small time python dad has the means to defend against a giant multinational in court.

Laws are only for the common man.

RvTV95XBeo,

The developer has not yet fully complied - the repo is still up, they have legal insurance and are in discussion with lawyers, and they have responded requesting clarification on the specifics of their alleged “violation”.

In the mean time, I think many people have reached out to Haier to express their displeasure. On an unrelated note, the original menacing letter came from cybergovernance@haier-europe.com in case anyone was curious.

poVoq, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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Seems like I dodged a bullet by recently deciding for another company. Definitely on my permanent do-not-buy list now, thanks for letting us know that you do not want any customers, Haier 😑

Dehydrated,

Do you use any smart home solution with your AC? Maybe even Home Assistant? Just curious

noorbeast,

I use a BroadLink infrared blaster, as you can control all sorts of devices with Home Assistant that use infrared remotes: www.amazon.com.au/…/B086VBXSDH?th=1

pearsaltchocolatebar,

The problem with a product like that is that there’s nothing stopping them from locking down their API to only work with their app.

noorbeast,

Compared to what what and at what relative cost? Given the actions of Haier buying into a product eco system seems like a far more expensive and risky proposition!

CameronDev,

The IR blasters can usually be flashed with open firmware like tasmota or esphome. I started with IR as well. The downside for me was that IR was one way. You can tell the unit to turn on, but you cant know if it actually did turn on.

For a cheaper IR option: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004486051086.html

If anyone is in Aus and wants some IR blasters with tasmota, happy to ship my spares :D

Dehydrated,

This is cool, I actually such something similar for my old school (~10 year old) AC unit because Infrared is the only way to control it.

CameronDev, (edited )

Not the person you asked, but i have a mitsubishi electric heatpump, which i have hooked up to homeassistant via an esphome library. It has a header on the controller board that you can connect to.

Normally the header is for their $200 controller and app, i spent $10 on the parts.

github.com/geoffdavis/esphome-mitsubishiheatpump

I think i better start mirroring the repo…

Dehydrated,

That’s amazing. I love such open source projects! I love the Lemmy, Home Assistant and Open Source community.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

I have a diy thermostat project (really a multi-zone hvac setup) that I might pick back up given what’s going on.

It kinda fell by the way side after my 3D printer started having issues.

kif,

I installed this same system a few months ago. It’s been fantastic - responsive and intuitive. The 5V pin in the CN105 connector means no external power or wiring is required. We haven’t touched the remote since it was installed.

CameronDev, (edited )

Yeah, its great. My only complaint is that you cant set the vane positions. And the temp sensors are a bit meaningless due to the height on the wall.

I intend to investigate the vane positioning in the future.

domi,
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I did the same thing for Panasonic ACs if anybody wants to get rid of the cloud: github.com/DomiStyle/esphome-panasonic-ac

CameronDev,

Might just mirror that repo to be safe :D

frezik,

I have a Lennox multistage system with a heat pump, and furnace for when it gets too cold. The best way to run those (according to the installer) is at a low level all the time. So it doesn’t benefit much from things like location tracking to turn the system up or down while we’re out. Especially since I work from home.

What it does do is make graphs for tracking how it runs the heat pump and furnace each day.

Dehydrated,

That’s cool. Similar to how I use my heating Home Assistant integration.

oatscoop, (edited )

I’m running a Venstar Colortouch thermostat. They’re not cheap, but they have a local API and there’s a Homeassistant integration.

Dehydrated,

That’s great

comfortablydumb, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

How many GBs do these ACs upload to the company’s cloud?

Dehydrated,

Too many probably

pearsaltchocolatebar,

That ended up being a router error. It was actually something like 1mb.

andyburke, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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Don't ever buy anything from these people, got it.

sxan, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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Wouldn’t be a bad idea for potential customers to write Haier and let them know they’re on a personal blacklist.

Is there an OSS-hostile list, like the opposite of the Awesome-XYZ lists?

qaz,
JoeKrogan, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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Another one to the boycott list

DeltaTangoLima, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
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Forked, and mirrored to my Forgejo server. As someone else pointed out on a different community, this is a great example of the Barbra Streisand effect in action.

People like me, without Haier appliances, are now aware of this fuckwittery, and have actively taken steps to preserve the code, before it gets taken down.

Dickheads.

sparr,

And, since we don’t own or use any Haier appliances, we aren’t subject to their TOS.

anon5621, in Will the new judicial ruling in the Vizio lawsuit strengthen the GPL?
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Thanks for sharing.This is really important.

ResoluteCatnap, in Will the new judicial ruling in the Vizio lawsuit strengthen the GPL?

Fascinating read. Thanks for sharing.

assembly, in Will the new judicial ruling in the Vizio lawsuit strengthen the GPL?

Thanks so much I had not been tracking this case but it pissed me off to no end when I heard that Vizio was refusing to uphold the GPL. They are more than happy to greatly benefit from the labors of open source development but the second they have to do the smallest step in support of the GPL, they fight it. I doubt there is anything overly interesting that they could release. My mind is assuming they don’t want anyone to see the actual level of their data gathering.

eldritch_lich,

The best outcome would be setting a precedent that allows FOSS organisations to send threatening letters to companies that violate the license. An individual dev maintaining a small library may theoretically be able to win a lawsuit, but practically? lmao good luck

Eldritch,

It might be worth something for the open source community to consider open funding for a group that would help devs to do just that. It wouldn’t help everyone. But it might help enough to make an impact for everyone.

eldritch_lich,

I think this could even be related to the idea of post-open source that Bruce Perens talked about. An organisation which helps its members handle the business-y parts of running large community projects. They could handle funding, legal representation, marketing and any other support that members may want. A large number of members would make it that much more effective as well.

Admetus, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

Haier is Hai Er in Chinese, just saying.

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