In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn’t feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
Do you walk into the dealer and state affirmatively “I am not buying a car here because I don’t want a subscription!” and then turn around and walk out?
Won’t matter. The company knows you don’t want this. They also know that enough other people will pay for it that it won’t matter. These subscriptions are not new. If people put their foot down and refused to pay for them they would go away, but the opposite it happening.
I just Googled and the 2024 Telluride has an MSRP of ~$55,000 in my area, used 2023 models are about ~$45,000.
Looking at an auto loan calculator, that’s between $700 and $900 per month with a 96 month 9% auto loan.
Point is, if you can afford the car you’re probably not worrying about the subscription except on principle. If you can afford the car and have principle concerns you’d probably buy a different car.
And anyone who would pay that much for a car is a gullible fool who doesn’t deserve to keep their money anyway, so that tracks, yeah. What a fucking waste.
I definitely agree, but I went with the option which would have the lowest monthly payment. On the other end local rates have a 36 month loan at 6.75%, but that’s $1,800 per month.
The example is the Telluride though? That’s the whole point. Of course any sane person would pick a cheaper car. For that matter why would you ever buy a brand new car?
For the price of car it’s kinda cheap at first but the longer you used it became more & more expensive it was before you realize it
Imagine this scenario you bought the car for 100K + you pay for subscription for the car annually for 10$ + you had to pay for it’s maintenance at mechanic (things get broken the longer you used, you need to replace the broken part as soon as possible) + you had to pay your electricity or gasoline bills for fuel that car you used + emergency bills like towing the car, etc
No because this is only for connected services. All of those features work without any cost with the included remote. OP is expecting connected services for free for the life of the vehicle.
The Tesla works just fine without the app on your phone? You get a card that works as a key and don’t need a phone at all.
I’m assuming opening the car remotely means when you’re not near the car ( e.g.: at the office while that car is at home ). The touchscreen function isn’t nearly as horrible as you make it out to be, while I do agree a physical button is more practical in some cases.
Hyundai/Kia have also had their fair share of recent car troubles with recalls because they spontaneously catch fire wether you’re driving them or not.
Having said that I don’t really have an opinion on the brands. I know some people who drive it around and they all seem quite satisfied with the car. I’m sure they’re great cars :)
The jab @kia was only in jest. There are other brands who want to use subscriptions for things like seat heating, … Which I find a fecking awful evolution ( I’m looking at you bmw ).
IIRC you can also control it with the steering wheel without using the touch display as well.
If you press the button on the handle to trigger the wipers once. It will also bring up the menu on the screen ( bottom left ). You can then use the right wheel button on your steering wheel by pushing it left or right to move between off and auto with all the different speeds in between ( slower being near off and fast being near automatic ).
Source: I had a Tesla company car. Some things worked well. Other times the car felt quite cheap for being that expensive ( mainly interior and finishing ). The car paint seemed a lot thinner compared to European cars too. ( Company cars are common where I live, I’m not a rich big ass CEO )
Alternatively you can use the voice control as well apparently. I’ve only used the voice to initiate calls though
Don’t you think it’s interesting that even though the vast majority of car trips are a single person going less than a mile, every time someone brings up bikes the rebuttal is always “what if I need to move my family of 16 and their refrigerator 800 miles in freezing rain!?”
The US was built on rail. The infrastructure could be fixed. It’s a choice not to fix it. It would be better to put in energy to fixing this than creating an open source way to access a proprietary transit system. Infrastructure is the problem, car vendors are just exploiting it.
Edit: correction, 52% of trips in the US in 2021 were under 3 miles and 28% are under a mile according to US DoE (energy.gov/…/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-al…). 2% we’re over 50 miles. Over 60% were under 5 miles, which is still pretty easy with an eBike given functional infrastructure.
Yeah, but I’m not from the US, I’m from a small town in Europe, you can put “all that effort” in both places at the same time because they are 2 completelly different problems
They aren’t two completely different problems, they’re in direct opposition. Making cars more tolerable increases demand for cars. Improving mass transit and bike infrastructure decreases demand. One is sustainable, the other is not.
I think the term you mean is old car especially from before 2018
in the end old cars basically open source you can modified it whatever you want as long as not breaking regulations
While there’s a bunch I am assuming you can’t look up the location of your car through an app or website, or adjust the climate controls remotely, or get alerts when the alarm is triggered.
There are some features in here that require some sort of connection, what I find criminal is that they remove the features we DO have on our old cars from the key fob and paywall them behind an app.
Time to begin the era of the DYI automobile. Buy a number of ~30v, high amperage batteries, an electric motor, jury rig the thing to a drivetrain and presto!
If you can, get an eBike. Cars need a ton of expensive resources. No matter what car you get, you’re basically renting it for $10k/yr anyway. Bikes can be fixed with a small set of tools in a living room without thousands of dollars of diagnostic equipment.
If you can’t do a bike because of distance, consider a motorcycle. That’s at least a little more free than a car. Cars are the worst.
I don’t think either one is viable for families, but possibly for single folks, depending upon proximity to urban areas. For folks in the sticks with unpaved roads? I don’t think so.
Yeah, I have two kids. We used an eBike in the US. The Dutch would find your comment absolutely hilarious. We do not own a car and haven’t needed one since we moved to the Netherlands. The problem is that you have a proprietary transit infrastructure that forces you to use property cars. Infrastructure is your vendor lock in.
The majority of car trips are under one mile and have one passenger. In the vast majority of cases you can replace a car with an eBike.
This just reminds me of someone else saying something like every time you suggest a car replacement suddenly everyone needs to carry a couch 300 miles in the snow.
It is not possible to be free while you have a car. But yeah, some times your forced in to that by the complete failure of American infrastructure. Cars continue to be your worst option, even if you’re forced to use them.
Edit: Correction, over 60% are under 5 miles, 28% are under a mile. Only 2% are over 50 miles. 69% of the total annual vehicle miles traveled in the U.S. occur in urban areas. In 2019, average car occupancy was 1.5 persons per vehicle.chart showing 75% of trips driving alone
I wish we had better infra to support bikes. Amsterdam is nice how you can ride around on a bike and get anywhere. It’s healthy, environmentally friendly, and cheap. Win win win.
Well instead using e-bike why not purchase an old car (from year 2000 - 2018), like old honda civic or old ford fiesta or old Toyota Corolla
I like your idea but using bike for everything but in the end is bad case especially if you need to go somewhere that very far (well using public transportation in the end kinda costly for longer run especially if you already married & have children)
I’m not saying it’s wrong to have bike for short trip it’s okay yo used bike, but in the end you need reliable car that can make you go everywhere
If you are stuck in a place that actually requires a car then this makes sense. Between the two you’ll save a ton of money.
In the long term though vehicle to vehicle communication will be required for all cars on the road. You will have (probably property) computer in your car controlling it. Unless you go back to like the 80’s or something you’ll still have a proprietary computer in your car that will need to be replaced.
But even getting a bike for occasional trips prepares you for gas prices spiking or your car breaking down.
Ive had a “subscription” for roadside assistance through my auto insurance company for years. It’s like $2 a month, and I’ve used it 7 or 8 times for keys locked in, or flat tire, etc. it’s awesome.
Imagine your car need an updates or you don’t paying subscription fee or but the server are offline & you’re in emergency situation, and the worst of it your car won’t start without it OMG… that’s scarred me the hell out of it
The crack was done because of a flaw in the AMD CPU and not the Linux component. My understanding is it’s only good for temporary override of the subscription enforcement.
The car costs a lot of money and they already give you wareanty, free service and will in one way or another milk you for years to come. I don’t think one more connection to a server costs this much.
Especially since all the „telemetry” is uploaded for free.
It’s the cell plan not the server costs unfortunately. When they moved to app based starting from anywhere you need to start paying the cell carrier for that wireless connection.
I can understand some of these features requiring a $5/month subscription. Anything more than that is absolutely insane. With roadside assistance (depending on what that actually entails) I could see that sevice being bumped to $15-$20 a month,
I never said this was a bad value, but I think we all know that these prices will not remain. They will increase because people will pay it once they are locked in. And if someone buys a used car, they have to pay that subscription to get these features, ensuring the manufacturer gets a slice from used sales. I can understand the cost, but it sets a dangerous precedent. It should be one time fee that grants the VIN access to the severs permanently. What would be really nice is if we had legislation that requires companies with a certain amount of revenue to maintain services for older products so they can’t just pull the plug later anyways.
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