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Saki, in You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually

While doing this is generally not recommended, EFF does indeed suggest this option in some context: ssd.eff.org/module/choosing-vpn-thats-right-you#t…

tux0r, in You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually
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I never leave my VPN, so that’s the easier way anyway.

t0m5k1, (edited ) in You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually
@t0m5k1@lemmy.world avatar

The onion router was a clue in itself as to how you connect to the Internet, especially when you need to hide. Add more than a normal vpn into the mix, proxies, ssh tunnels, dns tunnels, net cat, and maybe i2p. Once done, you could even fire off an ion cannon in a particular orbit if you fancy.

Just bear in mind that some vpn companies are owned by companies who also own other companies that own large networks, so they don’t necessarily need the vpn to log traffic to get your meta data.

TheButtonJustSpins, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

It’s a slow change, honestly. Just do what you can with your own services.

governorkeagan,

It’s unfortunate but at least it’s moving.

hperrin, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

The unfortunate fact is that most people don’t care about their privacy until it’s violated. It’s weird.

governorkeagan,

I’ve seen people complain about companies like Meta and Google but then not make any effort to try and change…people can be weird sometimes.

I suppose there are a lot of factors at play, but still 🤷🏻‍♂️

GenderNeutralBro,

There’s a balance between principles and practicality and for a lot of people it just hasn’t tipped yet. I’m kind of in that boat myself.

On principle, I’d like to eliminate Google from my life entirely.

In practice, there is no good alternative to Google Maps. I’ve tried a bunch of OSM-based apps and they’re just not there yet. So I use Google Maps. Not happy about it, but I still use it.

TheButtonJustSpins,

I just switched to Petal Maps, though it doesn’t warn me if a place is closing soon.

Nusm,
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I’d like to give Petal Maps a serious try, but for some reason it doesn’t work with CarPlay. So it’s a no-go for me.

sadreality,

Yep. And YouTube on teevee, just got to pay for it. I can't suffer these ads.

No real replacement as of now for either.

Imagine paying and they are still mining you.

Wtf sort of dystopian bullshit time line is this.

Stop using them for everything else.

smeg,

Ironically I found the best way to watch YouTube on the TV was to pay Google for a “Chromecast with Android TV” (or whatever it’s called) and install SmartTube on it. I could have spent a while tinkering around with my Raspberry Pi to create some custom solution and given Google no money, but this cost less than 2 months of YouTube premium and now I’ve got a device I can do whatever with.

sadreality,

Didn't realize that was possible now you ate running on google controlled device...

I cant swallow that.

Hate paying them too tho

smeg,

I’m paying for the convenience of a tv-optimised android device. It’s relatively versatile in that you can install most android apps, but much more robust than trying to build something myself. And all I use it for is watching video so there’s not really much it can data-mine compared to something serious like my phone.

shortwavesurfer,

I use osmand in conjunction with gps-coordinates.net so I can get the GPS coordinates of addresses to put into osmand since it has a serious lack of addresses

h3ndrik, (edited )

Open street map data is created by volunteers. Where I live, you can practically put in any address into OsmAnd and it’ll know it. Maybe you live too far out. Or there aren’t enough people contributing in your area. Putting in the house numbers is a tedious task.

shortwavesurfer,

I highly suspect it’s a lack of contributors since I live in a small city in the United States (~50k population).

h3ndrik, (edited )

Ah, okay. Different continent, ~500k people here. More if you count the neighboring cities. I’ve programmed in a few house numbers like 10 years ago. But generally speaking, OSM knows most hiking routes and illegal mountainbike trails in the woods. And it rarely does silly mistakes while routing me in the car. Something it used to do regularly when I started using it. Guess the experience heavily depends on where you live, then.

hperrin,

Apple Maps is a good alternative if you have an iPhone. Apple may not be a whole lot better, but at least they aren’t an advertising company.

ItsComplicated,

How sad it is when “at least they aren’t an advertising company” is one of the better alternatives!

gaufff,
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@hperrin @governorkeagan Until they realise how much and for how long it's been violated.

apis, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

Start sending invites to Signal. Setting up group chats can help too, as invitations to those create mild FOMO in the mind of the invitee, then once they have the app they can use it for things besides group chats.

governorkeagan,

I’ll give that a try!

kpw, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

Signal is not much better than WhatsApp or any other walled garden messenger without provider choice. Don't waste your time and energy to move people to walled gardens. A better idea would be to use providers and apps that support the federated internet standard XMPP: https://joinjabber.org

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  • kpw,

    Which encryption protocol is labeled with a warning? The link I posted makes choosing a client very easy.

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  • kpw,

    Yes, the XSF has a very high bar what a standard is and what not, so the many protocol extensions are labeled experimental. However that doesn't mean implementations are "incomplete" or "insecure". OMEMO has good support nowadays and the implementation in Conversations has been independently audited.

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  • kpw,

    How regularly should I check if Signal has become an interoperable internet standard?

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  • kpw,

    Sorry but I've been burned by WhatsApp before. Not wasting time on moving my contacts to another walled garden again. XMPP is actively developed and has most privacy features Signal does + most providers don't require a phone number and let you connect over Tor. Doing things properly and in an interoperable way takes more time but is absolutely worth it: https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/

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  • kpw,

    You can check how often you want, it's not going to affect anyone. Please don't check more than 5 times a second maybe.

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  • kpw,

    Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability.

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  • kpw,

    Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.

    Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:

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  • kpw,

    It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.

    You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.

    kpw,

    You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body.

    b0rlax, in Australian privacy watchdog refuses to investigate employer that allegedly accessed worker’s personal emails

    Easy solution, stop using company property for personal things.

    Spectacle8011, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives
    @Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

    You’re not going to convince anyone to suffer inconvenience for something that has no tangible benefit in their eyes. The best you can do is give people the option to contact you on Signal and explain (briefly) why you prefer it. After enough experience, you realize there is no argument you can make that will convince people to care about privacy. The people who join you on Signal either already care about privacy (but maybe didn’t realize it) or value your comfort over theirs.

    Personally, I would rather send unencrypted SMS instead of using a Meta-owned service. I don’t want to be part of the network effect keeping people on Facebook. Everyone with a SIM card in their phone already has access to SMS, but few use it if they can help it, so I don’t think I’m contributing to a network effect by doing this. The only MMS client I use is Signal, so anyone can contact me over there if they want more functionality. That’s the only tactic I use, and so far, it has been unsuccessful.

    lwuy9v5, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

    Just start using Signal. Don’t push it for a reason for people who don’t care, just let people know “Hey, message me here”. The more people that use it - the better for everyone - whether they benefit or not.

    The second part of that is use things like WhatsApp less or not at all, but you can always start with the first part. Maybe you already have folks on signal, and you can just start messaging them there until more folks come over.

    otter, (edited ) in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

    I have a few friends and family on Signal. Pretty much everyone uses other services too (including myself) but Signal is installed on a few

    • I talk to some friends / family on Signal exclusively. They either already cared about it, or they’re close enough that they trust my recommendation / still don’t care but want to put in the effort
    • I talk to some friends / family on Signal only when we want to have a more private conversation
    • Some people won’t ever be convinced, I talk to them on other services or in person when privacy is important. I set up boundaries to protect myself, and people usually respect that.

    This way I protect myself while respecting other people’s choices.

    For you I’d recommend focussing on the second option. When you need to talk privately, ask the person to install it and give a short explanation for why it’s better. If they do, then great it’s installed and it’ll get used once in a while. Maybe they will see other people and build up the network. If they don’t install it, then suggest an alternative like talking in person

    ritchie,
    @ritchie@lemmy.world avatar

    I tell everyone that messenger is not installed on my phone and I check messages once a week. So if they contact me there, expect a one week response time. (Or more.)

    JamesWords, in Australian privacy watchdog refuses to investigate employer that allegedly accessed worker’s personal emails

    Bad but not surprising. Unlike many other privacy laws, Australia’s has an exception for employer access www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/…/employment#

    bbbhltz, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives
    @bbbhltz@beehaw.org avatar

    Of all the privacy-related changes I’ve made, Signal is the only thing I’ve managed to get anyone else to use.

    It was a matter of saying “I don’t use WhatsApp anymore” and that was that. Some friends didn’t make the switch, but they know where to find me.

    Quitting Facebook lead people to believe that I was in need of help, though. They thought I was crazy. Still, today, people ask me why they can’t tag me on FB or why I unfriended them. When I tell them I stopped using FB they’re shocked and say things like, “but you’re such a techy computer nerd guy.”

    Quitting Google was confusing for others too.

    frogmint,

    “but you’re such a techy computer nerd guy.”

    that’s the reason why

    bbbhltz,
    @bbbhltz@beehaw.org avatar

    if only they knew how not-so-techy I really am…

    wincing_nucleus073,

    you’re a techy nerd and thats why you definitely use 1984book and give your soul to the zucc :D

    Droid_B612, in Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives
    @Droid_B612@kbin.social avatar

    It's worse for me in my country, 90% of people use Viber. Which not only has the same lack of privacy with other popular messengers, it's also ugly, filled with ads and company bots, and it's obviously targeted to teenagers. It's so weird to me that people use this app, but I guess most people's choice is always "whatever my most contacts use". I've been trying to introduce my friends to something better, I would prefer Signal but literally zero of my contacts use it. On Telegram on the other hand, I found 4-5 of my contacts already using it so I started from there, added my family too, and I'm slowly trying to add more friends. Until then, like others said, I'll use whatever for a casual message, and I'll just call the person for anything more personal or private.

    spookedbyroaches,

    Yeah that’s what sucks about this. But you don’t have to really call for intimate messages. WhatsApp cannot read you message since it’s E2EE but they do store and use the metadata. So a casual message and an intimate messages are the same in a WhatsApp server’s eyes.

    ritchie,
    @ritchie@lemmy.world avatar

    Viber is really very annoying, constantly nagging me about their “newest stickers” and other crap. When I open it, it’s like times square on my phone with all the garbage ads…

    Anamnesis, in You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually

    What are you guys actually using Tor for, anyway?

    InfiniWheel,

    For shits and giggles, mostly

    Mr_Blott,

    Not for watching YouTube vids that should’ve been a fuckin article anyway

    lseif,

    thats besides the point

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