M137,

Sure, but what about killing all people? That’s where we’re heading, and a lot of people are choosing to help with that. (I’m not saying that makes it ok, just asking for the fun of it).

gmtom,

Even if we planted a trillion trees it would only have a tiny affect on climate change. Same with killing large amounts of people. The only way we combat climate change effectively is getting off fossil fuels.

M137,

It’s disturbing that so many think that just more trees is the solution. It really shows how dumb and ignorant most people are.

benjiman,

Are we concerned about the amount of oxygen available now?

AngryCommieKender,

Well it did cause the first and largest mass extinction event so far…

benjiman,

Sure but anthropogenic climate change is an issue of greenhouse gas accumulation rather than a lack of oxygen, no? Rather than there being too many people literally just using too much oxygen.

hglman,

CO^2 production consumes oxygen from the atmosphere; Carbon capture that doesn’t make oxygen will leave that issue alive and well.

AngryCommieKender,

I was joking. We wouldn’t be alive if that particular extinction even hadn’t happened.

bananabenana,

Photosynthesis by ocean-dwelling cyanobacteria produces around 1/3rd of oxygen IIRC. CO2 causes ocean acidification which reduces their ability to grow, thus limiting O2 production. When it is hotter, plants ability to store carbon and photosynthesise goes down. So not right now, but O2 will be cause for concern in the future if we don’t turn away from fossil fuels.

benjiman,

Thanks, I’d never really considered the impacts climate change would have on oxygen. I looked into this a bit and it seems to also be the case that rising ocean temperatures also reduce the capacity of the water to hold dissolved oxygen, which causes a nasty feedback loop.

So while there’s not an immediate risk of atmospheric oxygen concentration dropping by any significant amount, there is a real concern of oxygen concentrations in the oceans dropping pretty drastically. This then accelerates climate change even further and could have longer term effects on atmospheric levels as well.

MonkderZweite,

Contraception is the morally ok way.

SapphireVelvet84839,

CIA operative John Clark forms a top-secret international counterterrorist organization known as Rainbow. Formed to combat the proliferation of formerly state-sponsored terrorist groups gone rogue after the Cold War, and based in Hereford, England, Rainbow consists of two operational squad-sized teams of elite special forces soldiers from NATO countries, supplemented by intelligence and technology experts from the FBI, MI6, and Mossad. Clark serves as Rainbow’s commanding officer (callsign “Rainbow Six”), SAS officer Alistair Stanley serves as their second-in-command, and Clark’s son-in-law Domingo Chavez leads Team-2.

In their first deployment, Team-2 rescues hostages during a bank robbery in Bern, Switzerland. Several weeks later, they are deployed to Austria, where German left-wing terrorists have taken over the schloss of a wealthy Austrian businessman to obtain (nonexistent) “special access codes” to the international trading markets. They are later deployed to the Worldpark amusement park in Spain, where Basque revolutionaries have taken a group of children hostage and demand that various prisoners, including Carlos the Jackal, be released.

Clark and his colleagues become suspicious about the sudden rise in terrorist attacks. Unbeknownst to them, the attacks are part of an intricate plan to wipe out nearly all of humanity, codenamed “the Project”. Dr. John Brightling, a staunch radical environmentalist who heads a biotechnology firm called the Horizon Corporation, ordered the attacks through ex-KGB officer Dmitriy Popov to raise concerns of terrorism, allowing co-conspirator Bill Henriksen’s security firm Global Security to land a key contract for the Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia. Henriksen would then ensure the release of “Shiva”—a manmade Ebola biological agent more deadly than the one that spread a year prior, developed by Horizon and tested on kidnapped human test subjects—through the fog-cooling system of Stadium Australia, infecting almost everyone present, who would then return to their home countries, spreading Shiva across the world. The resulting pandemic would kill countless people, during which Horizon would distribute a “vaccine”—actually a slow-acting version of Shiva—ensuring the deaths of the rest of the world’s population. Brightling’s “chosen few”, having been provided with the real vaccine, would then inherit the emptied world, justifying their genocidal actions as “saving the world” from the environmentally-destructive nature of humanity.

Popov discovers the existence of Rainbow as he reviews the “police tactical teams” (actually Rainbow in disguise) that responded to his attacks, and brings it to Brightling’s attention. Brightling and Henriksen order Popov to orchestrate an attack on Rainbow to prevent them from being deployed to the Sydney Olympics. Popov persuades a team of breakaway drug-dealing Provisional Irish Republican Army militants to attack a hospital near Rainbow’s base and capture Clark and Chavez’s wives, who work there as a nurse and a doctor respectively. When Rainbow arrives, a team of IRA militants ambush them, killing two Team-1 troopers and injuring several others, including Stanley. Despite sustaining their first-ever losses, Rainbow manages to repel the ambush, retake the hospital without further casualties, and capture some of the militants. Using trickery to interrogate the captured militants, Clark and Chavez learn of Popov’s involvement, while Brightling evacuates Popov to Horizon’s OLYMPUS facility in Kansas.

However, this turns out to be a fatal miscalculation: Popov was unaware of the genocidal plans of his employers, but the people at OLYMPUS talk openly about them. Learning the truth about the Project, Popov, appalled by what he had unknowingly assisted, escapes and reveals his knowledge to Clark and the FBI, who were already investigating the kidnappings of the Shiva test subjects. Popov’s warning comes just in time for Chavez and Team-2, who were deployed to the Olympics to provide security, to thwart Shiva’s release at the last minute.

Their plans in shambles, Brightling and the remaining Project members flee to a smaller Horizon base in the Amazon rainforest near Manaus, Brazil. Clark personally leads Rainbow to the base, where they kill the guards, demolish the buildings, disable communications, and round up the remaining Project members. Knowing there is insufficient evidence to convict them and that they would just restart their plans if freed, Clark instead has the survivors stripped naked and left to fend for themselves in the jungle, taunting them to “reconnect with nature”.

Six months later, Chavez reads news articles about Popov (who was pardoned in exchange for his information) discovering a gold deposit on a Project member’s former property, and Horizon’s revolutionary medical breakthroughs under new management. Chavez asks if the Project members survived; Clark informs him that no human activity has been detected in the area since, and remarks that nature does not distinguish between friends and enemies. Wondering who humanity’s natural enemy must be, Chavez determines it must be humanity itself.

SomeAmateur,

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought of this

edinbruh,

I feel like this argument is way too imprecise, to the point of being basically untrue. That’s probably based on the average emissions or something like that, but people are not the same and “emission responsibility” is wildly different.

Imagine killing 34k exploited African people, the world’s climate won’t even notice that. On the other hand, killing 34k middle class Americans or Europeans would probably be a little more effective, but still won’t fix anything. Now, killing 34k high-profile megacorp executives would definitely be much more effective, but would also collapse some economies, leading to various climate unfriendly events (like riots, war and shit).

But the simplest empirical evidence is: COVID killed 6 million people and the climate is still shit.

Source: I made it the fuck up, I’m talking out of my ass

Risk,

The meme is about saving oxygen, not reducing CO² emissions.

Ultraviolet,

Which is even further off because that’s not the problem.

Risk,

It’s a meme ffs.

hglman,

Interestingly, every CO^2 molecule consumed 2 oxygen molecules from the atmosphere. CO^2 emissions are the cause of the loss of oxygen.

jol,

Planting 20 million trees wouldn’t have much of an effect on the climate. Definitely not for the next 10 years.

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

Hemp/ Cannibis/ Marijuana are the best crops for carbon capture. Not only do they store 80%+ of the carbon in their roots, one acre of hemp will capture 10 times the amount of carbon as one acre of trees, provided the hemp is harvested at least once a year, and the roots are stored at the bottom of the ocean or something. You can harvest that acre up to 4 times a year in some parts of the world, and hemp can be used for food, fuel, clothing, rope, paper, shelter, concrete, and a ton of other stuff.

Akasazh,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I kind of appreciate your sourcing. The same citation is used by many, without disclosure.

littlebluespark, (edited )
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Ayy, you had me at “killing 34k high-profile megacorp executives”. 🤌🏼 Got a newsletter?

hglman,

The 34k wealthiest ppl in the world emit more than 3,200,000,000 average people.

oxfam.org/…/billionaire-emits-million-times-more-…

edinbruh,

It looks like my ass is very knowledgeable. Definitely a good source

littlebluespark,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Do you have long horns and an average testosterone level of 2.7 ng/ml?

AngryCommieKender,

What is this a reference to?

littlebluespark,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Bulls, implying that their ass “is a good source” for bullshit. 🤓

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

well well well

Pipoca,

Bullshit.

The investments of just 125 billionaires emit 393 million tonnes of CO2e each year – the equivalent of France – at an individual annual average that is a million times higher than someone in the bottom 90 percent of humanity.

That is to say, if you multiply the emissions of the gasoline sold by ExxonMobil by whatever percentage of ExxonMobile that’s in Bill Gate’s portfolio, you get an absolutely ridiculous emissions number.

But that seems to assume that if it weren’t for those dastardly billionaires investing in oil companies, we’d all be living in 10-minute cities with incredible subways connected by high speed rail, powered entirely by renewables, and heated by geothermal heat pumps. And I honestly don’t beleive that.

AngryCommieKender, (edited )

Considering that the oil companies bought up the trolley companies, and shut them down, I would argue that without those particular billionaires, we would still be building walkable cities the way we did for centuries, until they decided that cars should be essential, but a luxury at the same time.

Edit: this is specifically applicable to the US

Pipoca,

Sure - blame Rockefeller, Henry Ford, etc. for that. Also e.g. Robert Moses, not that he was a billionaire. But they’re all dead. They’ve been dead.

Is America’s suburban sprawl the fault of Bill Gates in particular? Or Bezos, Musk, or Dell?

AngryCommieKender,

Do they have any investments in the oil sectors? And Musk is absolutely trying to keep cars and kill mass transit. He admitted it. Bezos definitely has invested in making our cities the unwalkable hell scape that the oil companies started.

hglman,

Are you not responsible for the things you own?

Gymcap, (edited )

To take it seriously:
No it wouldn’t; time exists.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar
PoisonedPrisonPanda,

Is thats why the tesla autopilot is that bad?

Because the AI gets rid of the polluting factor?

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Israel’s new propaganda wave: “We’re just environmentalists.”

HootinNHollerin,
@HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works avatar

Don’t give tankies and the far right any ideas

EmergMemeHologram, (edited )

It’s fine, the far right doesn’t believe in climate change and tankies can’t find their way out of their basement.

GBU_28,

Or as they would call it: their “reeducation chamber”

MisterD,

Or kill a billionaire

GBU_28,

What about a billion which includes all billionaires

lorez,

Do we have a billion billionaires? I don’t think so.

GBU_28,

No, the set would include them

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Let’s just start with the billionaires, see how far we get and reassess as needed?

GBU_28,

Let’s go for 2 now

lorez,

Roger roger

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Climate Refugee is confused!

It saved oxygen in it’s confusion.

paddirn,

Good Guy Putin sending waves of Russians to die in Ukraine was just trying to help the environment all along.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

Trees are actually oxygen neutral for most of their lives, their main purpose is in sequestering carbon.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Shall we fix our extreme pollution pattern to be ecologically sustainable and embrace renewable energy?

Wait what about just throwing humans into a meat grinder!

overzeetop,
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

Por que no los dos?

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