got it on steam deck, so using a controller. it’s mostly like i remember playing it as a kid on n64. the only issue is that the camera keeps zooming out every now and then, but there’s a keybind to reset it when needed.
Don’t watch the prequels first. It’ll spoil the original trilogy. Machete or release order would be good.
Once you’re done 1-6, watch the others at your own will. Solo, Rogue One, the sequels, any order (but watch the sequels in order).
If you really get into all of the above, check out the Clone Wars animated show (watch it in chronological order), then Rebels. I would recommend watching the live action shows after the animated stuff because they continue a lot of those stories, but you could do it either way.
In my opinion, the best way to watch ALL of it is to watch it in release order. Nothing gets spoiled, and everything gets built upon what we already know.
If he really wants to watch Phantom Menace first, I suppose it would work if you jump from it to A New Hope.
If he is truly ignorant of Vader being Anakin, he’ll see a movie with kid Anakin, followed by a movie with old Obi-Wan lamenting how Vader killed Anakin at some point in the prequels, leaving the big reveal in place. Maybe actually making it better in some ways.
Honestly I don’t think Rogue One is worth watching. It’s pretty, but was very meddled with. I would highly recommend perhaps putting the Andor show in place instead of it. Either way, watching these after Episode 1 makes sense to me.
Then do the normal Machete Order.
If he doesn’t remember that the Han Solo movie exists, don’t remind him.
Of course that’s a BIG commitment. The sane way is to convince him just to watch the original trilogy first and the rest if he likes it.
I’ll jump in. What is the preferred order? I’m old. I saw the originals. I watched the prequels and nearly barfed. But now, there are all these side stories and Disney offshoots.
What order should I tackle them all in? A full rewatch, and in correct order. For the whole franchise?
I grew up watching SW and the prequels came out when I was young. I enjoyed them as a stupid kid and then hated them as I grew up though. I recently rewarched them and they aren’t nearly as bad as I remember, with the exception of Jar Jar who I always forget just how horrible he is whenever he’s on screen. I think it could just be how bad the rest of SW is now (with the exception of Andor, which is I think my favorite piece of SW media in totality) that helps me enjoy them more. I’ve seen how bad things can be so I appreciate that the prequels didn’t get that bad.
If he really doesn’t know about Vader’s reveal in Empire, then you must watch the OT first, because the prequels will spoil one of the best plot twists in film history. Otherwise, watching the prequels first is fine.
But please do not watch the shitquels under any circumstances.
A complete coincidence, as Vader was not intended to be Luke’s father when A New Hope was written.
Heck, I’m pretty sure “Darth” was actually just supposed to be his first name. Sith titles weren’t considered at all. The concept of Sith didn’t even solidify until after Return Of The Jedi had been released.
The reveal in Empire is one of the biggest retcons in movie history.
It's very binary in the Disney era. All the theatrical movies, the 2008 Clone Wars TV show, Rebels, and all the rest of the Disney-era TV shows are canon, as are all of the novels, comics, games etc released during the Disney era. Everything else is non-canon. Lucasfilm maintains a tight grip on canon and that's a big part of what Pablo Hidalgo's job is all about.
Before the Disney-era, the concept of canon in the Star Wars Expanded Universe was more complicated and fluid, and relied on 'tiers' of canon with the movies at the top, the TV shows next, certain novels next, etc. The idea of canon back then was that anything in the one of the lower tiers could be canon as long as it wasn't contradicted by something in a higher tier. For example, if somebody wrote an EU novel that said that Anakin loved sand, that would be non-canon because it's directly contradicted by Attack of the Clones; but if they wrote a novel that said Padme loved sand, that might be canon if there's nothing in the higher tiers of canon to contradict it.
Disney would have the list. They decanonised all but the movies and other properties they got with lucasfilms. They have expanded the list, but I haven’t looked at it.
Going to piggyback. When Disney got the rights and wiped out the old Expanded Universe, what was left were the original trilogy, the prequels, and the Clone Wars (the 3D one) cartoon. Everything else was decanonized.
Under Disney, there was a promise to make every story produced under their control of rights to be canon, and equally canon rather than the tiered system of the old Expanded Universe. There have already been canon conflicts, but generally speaking if it was freshly made after 2014, it is canon.
The old EU works that are being reprinted are labeled “Legends”.
In short the “Disney canon” includes the 9 saga movies, rogue one and solo, the cartoon network 2008-2013 “the clone Wars” with Dave Filoni, star wars rebels, and star wars resistance. There are also of course tons of books and comics released in this canon as well but I believe there is a little overlap with old canon and Disney canon releases
Editing: here to add and clarify. That the Disney+ shows are indeed part of modern canon I don’t know how I left them out. As well as games like EA battlefront 1, and the multiplayer battles of 2 being a weird semi canon, the EA BF2 campaign and dlc is canon, Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor are canon. The ubisoft game “Outlaws” will also be in canon.
It is an explicit division made by Disney. They threw out everything in order to make room for their own stories. All of the old pre-2014 books are non-canon. Any books freshly released after 2014 would be canon.
I think they missed the Disney shows which are of course canon.
I’m in the minority here, but I consider Obi-wan especially to be primary canon, as necessary as Movies 1-6. They retconned in the emotional core of the whole damn saga with Obi-wan and fully realized Vader’s confrontation and resolution. That moment truly bridged the OT and prequels for me like nothing else had.
Disney’s stated policy is that there is no longer primary/secondary canon. There is (at least supposed to be) a storygroup working for Disney to ensure everything they make fits together because everything is equally canon.
In practice, there have already been issues but that’s how it’s supposed to work.
Good point, thanks. I’m surprised to hear that you’re in the minority for the Obi-Wan series being canon, Ewan McGregor is so Obi-Wan to me that I just assumed that show was cannon as well
Im not in the minority of acknowledging it being canon, I’m in the minority calling it essential canon. A lot of people hated it for its B story that I personally thought was fine.
I did totally forget to call out all the Disney shows, very silly of me as I’ve quite enjoyed them all at worst and are some of the best star wars has to offer, at best!
It’s not precisely that the old EU and canon overlap, but that the entire old EU has been thrown out. Within the fresh slate of new canon there are elements that are picked up and re-canonized, though they are changed to fit into the new canon.
Classic EU characters, ships, planets, etc might appear but that doesn’t imply the old stories they are associated with are also canon.
Oh yes, of course! I meant to say, I believe there were still a few legends EU books that released after the buyout when much else of the old continuity had already ceased
I get what you’re saying now. I actually double checked myself and the buyout happened in 2012, but the erasure of the old EU happened after 2014.
So there was slightly over two year period where Disney owned Star Wars with the old EU in place. A few books and things released then. Those few Disney released old EU stories were still turned into Legends like the rest of pre-Disney EU.
In the past, only the movies were canon. The rest was considered non canon by George Lucas. I have no idea if that policy has changed since Lucas’ departure or not.
Not precisely. The Lucasfilm group licensed and approved official EU material. There were certain limitations placed such as up until the prequels avoiding the Clone Wars era in EU fiction, and avoiding elaborating on Yoda’s race. George Lucas did have some direct contact with EU authors for feedback.
The old EU used a tiered system of canon, where George Lucas sat at the top and his dictates would override anything else. But if Lucas didn’t override a piece of EU, it was canon.
On April 25, 2014, in preparation for the upcoming feature films, Lucasfilm announced that the Expanded Universe was rebranded as Legends, thus, the term “canon” come to be reserved exclusively for George Lucas’ canon - the six movies and the seasons of Star Wars: The Clone Wars he developed and producered - and the movies, television series, novels, comics, toys and video games created by Lucasfilm after the acquisition. Since then, the only previously published material still considered canon are the six original trilogy/prequel trilogy films, novels (where they align with what is seen on screen), the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film, and Part I of the short story Blade Squadron.
So, as a rule of thumb, only products coming from Lucasfilm directly are considered canon.
I remembered this because I was an active 501st member and remember the uproar when the EU was left out of the canon. A lot of people was pissed with the decision. But it is what it is.
I saw the trailer for it he released and supposedly there was a release of the whole thing but it’s impossible to find on mainstream sites. His five min edit of all the movies was quite good too. Like a long trailer for the whole story.
I do kinda wonder how many modern SW fans remember the hilarious Naked Gun movies. I guess this might look pretty ridiculous if not.
I hope we're not to that point yet. The spoof genre reached its apotheosis in that period from '74 to '94, with Python doing Holy Grail and Life of Brian, Mel Brooks going from Blazing Saddles to Robin Hood Men in Tights, and the ZAZ run from Airplane! to The Naked Gun and Hot Shots movies. For ZAZ, Top Secret! is even better than Airplane! or TNG, IMHO.
Their successors forgot that however thin, the underlying movie has to be watchable, or you lose something. Maybe it's just generational (always have to allow for that at my age), but I kind of think that Scary Movie et al is stuff that is not nearly as timeless.
Their successors forgot that however thin, the underlying movie has to be watchable, or you lose something. Maybe it’s just generational (always have to allow for that at my age), but I kind of think that Scary Movie et al is stuff that is not nearly as timeless.
That reminds me of one of the major keys to the success of the ZAZ movies, which was to hire a cast known for their serious, dramatic roles, a type which Nielsen epitomized. At no point could the actors indicate that the situations going on around them were funny, otherwise the illusion might be punctured.
Perhaps some of the later imitation films, like Scary Movie et al, kind of drifted away from that premise, I don’t know.
Speaking of Blazing Saddles, I recall reading that the musicians and orchestra were told that they were producing music for a classic-style western, and when they ultimately learned that the movie was an intentional farce, they were not amused.
The ZAZ movies had a very specific style that relied on that. Every single character was the "straight man" and the bonkers shit was the universe. Mel Brooks was much more side-eye and poking at the fourth wall. In either case, I wanted Nick Rivers and Lone Starr and Sheriff Bart to succeed though. It wasn't complete anarchy or loosely connected sketches, and the juxtaposition of the absurd being hung on a pretty generic narrative structure makes it funnier, I think.
Laate reply, but very interesting comments that do make a lot of sense to me, particularly about the different mechanisms used in the ZAZ and Mel Brooks’ movies.
Judging from more recent movies clearly built on the models above, I feel like in general, modern directors & producers try to broadcast more to the audience as to how and when to react. That is-- in this post-MTV age, it seems like they’re more scared of potential dead air time, and want to avoid indulging too much in the deadpan, pregnant moments common in ZAZ films. Ones that made them so delicious, of course, tending to appeal to the thoughtful person.
By comparison, King of the Hill is maybe a rare case of a cartoon comedy that wasn’t entirely concerned with whether the audience understood the full humor of the situations. Just popped in to my head anyway, so I thought I’d mention it.
You are completely discounting accidental racism. Every person at every level involved could have had no bad intentions and still have the sum total be so.
All that said, you didn’t mention the actual problem with the movie that led to the commentary… total shitty dumpster fire levels of writing.
George Lucas has always been clear that a major influence on Star Wars was old serials like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. You know what was extremely common in those old serials? Racist stereotypes for villains and racist stereotypes for side kicks, also often cartoonish buffoons.
Again, not saying he was intentionally racist, but with the lack of quality writing skills, it’s clear he fell back to tropes from his favourite stories from his childhood. Those tropes usually horribly racist. A better writer could have done better with those tropes.
Discounting is the perfect word , as “accidental racism” lacks credibility as an argument to legitimize an attack on the characters and voice actors. None of the “racist” complaints have anything to do with race, but if you want them to be racist and you have the believies, you can make them so.
Importantly, you are ignoring that none of the fan complaints are about “accidental racism”, they are outraged by ostensibly conscious choices. They are assuming and acting upon the assumption these choices were made in bad faith. You’re changing the goalposts to “all racism is bad”, full stop. Which, yea, but nobody argued racism wasn’t “bad”.
Your arguments gel precisely with fan consensus: we don’t have much to say about a bland movie, so let’s complain about something we know everyone can get behind, regardless of its merit. At least we have a mob.
My post was about even though there may have been lazy production and editing(accidental racism), this is not an excuse to blame the voice actors for being intentionally racist(intentional racism), as fans constantly repeat without knowing anything about the production or voice actors.
You said I discounted accidental racism(which is in my post).
I agreed that I discounted accidental racism since it’s a poor excuse to accuse someone of intentional racism.
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