You might be the only person I’ve heard of who didn’t like IV and V, but liked Rogue One. I’m picturing a thread with people debating whether Terminator 1 or 2 is better, and you’re like “those are mid, Genisys is the one I like.” It’s just a fascinatingly rare take.
Empire Strikes Back is pretty universally acclaimed as being in the top 2 of star wars movie, and most people’s #1. I’m curious what didn’t do it for you. Is it just too old now? Overhyped? Do you think the pacing is bad and you get bored? Genuinely, I would expect that if somebody didn’t like that one, they didn’t like any of them except maybe one of the new shows like Andor and/or The Mandalorian, mostly because they are tonally different and appeal to a different, wider audience.
Not even close. T1 is innovative and good, T2 have even better action scene, then stop, nothing else is worth mentioning in the franchise. Rogue one give a new and fresh “spy story” view of the SW story, it shows more complex side of the conflict and both the story and the characters are interesting. I like Andor for the same reason. I find the first and second season of the Madalorian nice too, for the way they show a new “road-side view” aspect of the SW universe, sadly it becomes quickly too “bigger than life” in the third season.
That makes sense. It did feel a lot more grounded than the main entries. I think a lot of my apprehension to the characters was knowing that they couldn’t possibly matter beyond that movie because it’s a prequel to a trilogy that doesn’t mention them, so I knew they would probably just die soon. That just made it harder for me to get invested. But you’re right, it’s cool to see the seedy side of the galaxy and it sells that the rebels are scrappy regular people who are justified in their rebellion.
I tried something new a few weeks ago to kick off an update machete order that I thought worked surprisingly well. I started with the start of act 3 of Rogue One. Going into that blind, not knowing the characters or what specifically they were trying to accomplish, seeing some blind monk guy walk and act by faith instead of sight to do something at a console, they sacrifice all to beam some kind of signal, and then this towering menace in all black just shows up and slaughters a bunch of dudes… It perfectly leads into IV and enhances it without the time commitment or pacing issues of watching all of Rogue One. I love Mads but we really just don’t need to even see him for the important bits of the story. Vader becomes even more mysterious and threatening this way, the “plans” in IV are given more weight and don’t just seem like a macguffin to give the empire a reason to give chase, and Luke becomes relatively more of an unlikely hero because he’s just a kid caught in the middle of a star war.
I’m not gonna say that Rogue One is bad, but for watching the entire saga it feels like a slog to watch the whole thing. As somebody who considers IV to be a 10/10 masterpiece, (especially for 1977 before anything like this existed, and before George Lucas changed shit for no reason,) I gotta know which half of IV is the half that sparks joy for you. Maybe my favorite moment in the entire franchise is when Luke storms out and looks at the twin sunset, yearning to leave his small and inconsequential life, John Williams’ score swelling into the frustrated sobbing that only a teenager trapped in a small town with a small life could truly understand. It’s his Disney princess moment.
People HATED the prequels when they came out, trust me. Your kids will love the new trilogy and you’ll remember it with fondness. That’s just the way it goes.
In 20 years you’re going to be trying to find something to watch and flicking through the channels/streamers you’re going to see it and realize you haven’t watched it in ages. Then the nostalgia will kick in and it won’t seem half as bad as you thought it was in 2017 (dear god 2037 isn’t as far away as it feels 🫨) and you’ll actually enjoy it. You might even have a few youngins you want to share the experience with and you’ll spend Christmas vacation watching the entire franchise with the littles.
It happens to all of us eventually. Well, a lot of us.
more the implication that you make sweeping judgments about people based on a single data point about their taste in movies because in your mind that indicates they are lesser than you. you know, the way a particularly ignorant child would view other people.
I'm now curious to know where you're from, if you're willing to share. I've always known the game as rock, paper, scissors. I'm in the UK, and it seems like the rest of the Anglosphere uses the same three options but sometimes in a different order, like scissors, paper, rock or something. What's the gesture you make for "stick"?
I like to think it's just the same logic as that old stick vs US marines post. Scissors cut the stick in half? Now you have two sticks. Stick always wins.
okay sure, but that wins you the round if you picked paper and I picked rock? That's paper beating rock. That it does this by "covering" the rock doesn't really clear anything up
This is some dumbass elitism. Let people enjoy what they enjoy. Star Wars is a space fantasy. Rey gets Jar Jar pregnant in the lost 10th movie. It was glorious.
Regardless of genre any work of fiction should have cohesive plot and characterization. It’s not elitism to say that the new trilogy is hobbled by numerous, avoidable writing pitfalls.
The other films had writing problems as well but not nearly as many as the new films. People are free to enjoy the new trilogy but they are poorly written.
And yes, I’m aware of how fucking cringe the dialogue in the prequels was.
Art and entertainment must always fall within my predetermined understanding and preferences. Anything straying from this template is bad and must be opposed. Anyone who doesn’t think this way is morally wrong and also must be opposed.
Stop taking your entire life this seriously. Not everything’s perfect. You alone cannot steer how the film industry depicts Star Wars. Boo hoo.
People are allowed to like things you don’t like. I feel sorry for people like you who literally work yourselves up into such a rage because some piece of entertainment didn’t pan out the way you wanted. Best of luck in life with that attitude!
Nah, man. The prequels were mercilessly assaulted on the internet for a long time. There must be a new generation of fans praising them now, or maybe the newer movies are so bad that they make the prequels seem good in comparison, so everyone’s revised their opinions.
It’s the former since it started before the new ones came out. Tbf there was a lot about the prequels that was catering to children, especially the first one, so it makes sense it would go that way.
Is the “ugly friend” effect. People are even starting phrasing The Hobbit now after the abomination of Amazon. Also, a good story is a good story despise the “PS2” CGI of the old trio.
Just wait until the next Lord of the Rings thing, then people will be saying that Ring of Power was underappreciated at the time.
Actually I already think that, it’s a solid “okay” but people are acting like it broke into their house and burned their copies of The Lord of the Rings
Guys, calm down, it’s been garbage the whole time, it’s your attachment to the movie you had when you watched them at an impressionable age that makes them feel better to you.
I hear what you’re saying, but as a fairly big literary and film snob, I’ll argue that A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were bubblegum pop approaching art like a well-realized pop music album that transcends being “just entertainment.” I’ll use some music analogies, since that’s where I have the most background:
Francis Ford Coppola : Steven Spielberg : George Lucas :: Bob Dylan : Neil Young : Paul Simon.
You’ve got the auteurs that are out make artistic pieces that may or may not be appreciated in their time, you’ve got the prolific hit machines that churn out album after album (movie after movie) of insightful, well-made work, and then you’ve got the pop, “lowest common denominator” creators that can be game changers (esp. with the right collaborators and editing), but also have a lot of dreck in their back catalogs.
I would argue that despite the OT being pop-friendly action sci-fi, there was artistry present, especially in the special effects, the story telling, and the world-building. I mean, shit, the diegesis alone is pretty much a masterclass in how to build a living, breathing fiction universe, in a way that I’m not sure has ever been surpassed.
Bottom line: are they kids’ movies? yes. Are they strong enough to stand on their own as significant artistic works in the same echelon as The Godfather? I would argue that Ep. 4-5 are, yes. Am I still answering my own rhetorical questions? Also yes.
The point where Star Wars totally lost me was when it turned out C3PO was fucking built by Darth Vader when he was a kid. I just couldn’t suspend my disbelief anymore. I loved the original three movies when I was a kid, but damn, it’s completely left me behind at this point.
Clone wars opens with Anakin and Obi wan talking about a better movie they didn’t make.
I left revenge of the sith convinced that’s not how it actually happened, that the last three movies weren’t actually canon, but like, a story someone told about Darth Vader centuries after the fact.
Like all the stories about King Arthur, all different.
I think it’s worth watching just to witness the absurdity. It’s like going to a bad horror movie - if you’re expecting to be scared, you’ll be disappointed, but if you go into it rooting for the zombies, it can be fun
This might be the comment that gets me to watch it. I’ve been holding off on some preconceived notion of it further wrecking my memories of the original movies. At this point, it hardly matters. Low expectations it is!
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