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StarManta, to asklemmy in Why is such a tunnel needed?

My guess is that it will be a “nature highway” so migratory species can cross over the road

Slow,

Will there be compacted earth on top of the tunnel so animals can walk?

gohixo9650,

revisit the comment thread as someone has now posted a photo

nxdefiant,

Yep, they call them land bridges. More of a hill than a mountain, but the meme is right!

Slow,

This is cool. This is the first time I have heard about such projects.

RampantParanoia2365,

…literally what they just said?

Jerb322,
@Jerb322@lemmy.world avatar

Sure looks like an animal crossing.

LazaroFilm,
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Why do they put deer crossing signs on the highway? Why can’t they put them on smaller roads instead‽

LillyPip,
LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the one! That’s the one!

Kalkaline,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Also, deer can’t read street signs, so they don’t know where to cross.

devnull406,

There’s not much reading involved, it’s got a big picture of a deer on it.

figaro,

Gotem

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Well they better learn. Or else… THEY DIE.

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Natural selection at work.

doublejay1999,
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

Street knowledge

bionicjoey,

Street smarts!

Jerb322,
@Jerb322@lemmy.world avatar

It bothers me that someone actually said this,and was serious…

Mango,

Definitely not Doom.

MrJameGumb, (edited )
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

So I was technically right in saying it would be an overpass, and as we all know technically right is the best kind of right lol

spankinspinach,

This is the one! They’re ridiculously effective, so much so that my home provinces is sinking like 250 million into building 5 more of them over the next 5 years

Mango,

It actually takes 50 million to make these? Gimme 50 good men who want to be millionaires and we can figure out the capital cost between us.

LufyCZ,

A lot of the money is probably sunk into ecological surveys, permits, bureaucracy overall

Mango,

Ohhh yeah. Gotta let the leeches in.

Snapz, (edited )

Nature is already a “nature highway”, we fucked it up and now consultants sell the term “nature highway” to act like they are doing someone a favor. This is just restoring SOME man-made damage to an area to a less functional state than original for (hundreds of?) millions of dollars. Better than nothing sure, but not a “nature highway” for Simba, Timon and Pumba to dance and sing songs upon.

NarrativeBear,

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These are great for wildlife as they provide a safe crossing over high-speed highways. They are usually design to be in already existing migration paths where moving a proposed highway may not work and not disrupting migration paths is of importance.

FunderPants,

Looks like a nice choke point for a predator to hang about.

hexabs,

– Mountain Lion Sun Tzu

FooBarrington,

Are there any predators smart enough to strategize like this? I know that some use water holes as hunting grounds, but that’s probably more instinctive than actual strategy.

ook_the_librarian,
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

After seeing an aerial view of an African wild dog hunt, a coyote hanging out by a bottleneck doesn’t seem outlandish. (here)

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

I know octopi have been escaping their aquarium enclosures and covering their tracks that humans would see. Just to take one at a time pray from their tank. If I recall correctly even killer wailes have been taking down human boats. In conclusion there are for Shure aquatic predators that use genuine strategy. Granted with my killer waile example is a similar case of is it strategy or instinct.

turboshadowcool,

Good point, not sure the the strategizing octopi will be a major concern for this crossing tho. I guess you’re never really save from those devious creatures…

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Wait aren’t you a bot?

turboshadowcool,

Fixed it, thx!

CarbonIceDragon,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Would they need to be that smart? Ambush predators that stay in roughly one area, for example, could naturally grow their numbers in the area around such a chokepoint simply by virtue of the ones in that area having more food available and therefore better survival chances.

FooBarrington, (edited )

I think that these human-made structures provide such a different environment (loud sounds from cars, moving/flashing lights etc.) that previous instinctual adaptations wouldn’t trigger.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

They can track other species by smell at least. If that path is used by too many and smells like a farm, they would probably get used to hang around it naturally.

KISSmyOS,

I don’t think many areas exist where you have both a need and political will for building nature bridges, and also large predators.

Metatronz,

Maybe canines? Idk

I just think it would be dope to drive under as a dramatic fight between an elk and wolves tumbled off the side onto my vehicle. Killing all of us instantly. What a way to go!

echodot,

I don’t imagine it would be a major problem though maybe it would let them get one or two easy meals but predators don’t hunt unless they’re hungry. So once they’ve taken down one prey animal they’ll ignore the rest. On a species level it’s probably not a major issue.

As opposed to roads which will kill lots of animals.

gohixo9650,

Are there any predators smart enough to strategize like this?

it is the predators that build such passages. Have you ever seen any construction company building them? Even in the first photo that is under construction, there is not any human worker in sight

LemmyKnowsBest,

So you’re telling me lions and tigers built that tunnel and that natural bridge? okay.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That under construction pit is the pit of the manlion. It’s similar to the pit of the antlion, except for construction workers.

They always have to deal with the manlion before they start building. Often by pouring concrete over it.

Honytawk, (edited )

It is like that playground game, but with less violence since only one player gets hurt at a time.

NarrativeBear,

It’s taken into consideration of the design of these crossings.

FunderPants,

I’d like to read about that,understand how it’s done. it’s a thought I have whenever I see them but of course the professionals designing them would have thought about it.

GingeyBook,

IIRC they just hire someone to sit there and say “shoo” at any potential predators

FunderPants, (edited )

How can I get this job? I’m almost 40 and I haven’t been eaten by a mountain lion yet. 100% success. I’m qualified.

ook_the_librarian,
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar
NarrativeBear, (edited )

There was a documentary I watch years ago where they went into great detail into this, as well as the design of these things. Can’t remember where i saw this documentary though.

Anyways, researchers setup cameras trigger by movement and body heat to watch these overpasses and found no evidence of higher predetor active.

They also went into detail about how these things are design with extra width and gentle slopes to make them as “friendly” as possible depending on the specific species that will be migrating in the area, as different wildlife species prefer different types of crossing structures.

For example:

Grizzly bears and wolves

Wary animals like grizzly bears and wolves there is a “learning curve”, it may take up to five years before they feel secure using newly built crossings. Grizzly bears, elk, moose and deer prefer wildlife crossings that are high, wide and short in length, including overpasses

Cougars and black bears

Cougars and black bears prefer long, low and narrow crossings such as underpasses.

Elk

Elk are usually the first large species to use the new crossings, even using some while they are still under construction!

Here are some articles that talk about some of the studies:

wildlife.org/wild-cam-do-predators-ambush-at-unde…

www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-67340-8

FunderPants,

Awesome, thank you.

Sparlock,

Yea elk don’t give a fuck about much really. We have a few herds where I live and they don’t even move when we walk our dogs nearby. I even have a video of one coming right up to the fence around my property, both my great pyrenees were losing their minds with the elk less than a foot away, the elk seemed more curious about the noisy little things (“little” relative to a full grown elk that is) than anything else.

SzethFriendOfNimi,
@SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world avatar

Possibly but I’d think it’s still safer than vehicles and less disruptive to overall migration for a given species.

I wonder if there’s been any studies showing how effective, if at all, these are.

NarrativeBear,

There have been study’s, these crossing are usually design to feel like open fields in a sense, so most animals will cross quick and on high alert to get through the “opening” in the field.

Mango,

It’s also amazing visually! Forget regular highways! Let’s have buried highways! That’s especially good for if our country is invaded because we can install physical barriers to logistical supply lines against us!

LufyCZ,

Buried highways would be insanely expensive, and in the case of invasion, one well placed shot would completely kill logistics for the defenders as much as it would for the invaders, so probably not the best idea to rely on those

Mango,

I am not a clever pony.

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

That’s beautiful ngl

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

So they’re literally building the mountain next year. Neat.

NeoNachtwaechter,

They dug it out before. Later they rebuild it. But if they wait for a year, nature suffers much.

MrJameGumb, (edited ) to asklemmy in Why is such a tunnel needed?
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

They’re probably going to build an overpass on top of it later

Slow,

I think that the overpass needs more powerful supports

theherk,

I suppose it would depend on what is passing over.

tryptaminev,

Curved Tunnel ceilings are quite strong, as they distribute the pressure of the surrounding rock/soil quite well. So if it is covered with loads of rocks and soil it could probably hold another street passing over.

facelessbs,

Nature bridge

CyberEgg, to memes in I'm altering the meme

Why use Han Solo instead of Lando Calrissian who actually had that conversation?

KreekyBonez,

nobody prayed hard enough, so it got altered even more

kambusha,

The first rule of meme club is, you can’t change the meme. The second rule of meme club is…

JokeDeity, to memes in True

My concerns with AI are like doctors cheating their way through school with chatGPT and deepfakes leading nations into war, other people’s concerns with AI are that rich artists won’t get credit for derivative works. It’s all a fucking joke to me and I’m going to keep enjoying my time with Stable Diffusion.

dan1101, to memes in True

You would trust communist leaders to be measured and responsible with AI technology?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

A lot more than I’d trust capitalist leaders that’s for sure.

dan1101,

With a democratic leader you at least have the chance to vote them out. With a bad communist leader you kiss their ass or go to the gulag, or fall out a window.

toomanyjoints69,

Why do you come to the internet just to argue? I dont think it makes you feel good, and your language doesnt suggest you want your view changed.

It might be good for your mental health to find people you agree with and talk to them. You will be happier.

dan1101,

I feel fine, you don’t know me. I am disagreeing with something, not arguing. Is that not allowed?

toomanyjoints69,

No its not allowed youve been a bad boy.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Communism is fundamentally a democratic system. The whole point of communism is that the majority is in charge. Maybe learn what communism is?

redcalcium, to memes in True

No! If capitalism gone, my 0.0000000001% chance of becoming a billionaire would be gone as well!

ComradeR, to memes in True

Same with nuclear energy.

lud,

Wdym?

ComradeR,

People are most afraid of nuclear energy by two reasons: accidents and wars.

The first has nothing to do with capitalism, we can only trust on workers and expect things to go ok. The second is more a fear mongering by the global north/rich people who want to make everyone worried when a global south country starts to invest in nuclear science and related things. In other words: capitalism influence.

ShimmeringKoi, (edited )
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Hell I’d say your double right, accidents are definitely influenced by the system that precipitates them. Redundant safety features, emergency protocol training, protective gear, preventative maintainance…under our current system, all of these things cost money, and since profit is the primary motive, they will be the first things to be slashed when say, the price of energy goes up and they decide to maintain profits by cutting overhead.

Half the episodes on Well There’s Your Problem are “this vital part was removed or left unmaintained for legal or financial reasons until it caused an explosive train derailment.”

Honytawk, to memes in True

What? No!

Or do you think propaganda and misinformation is only created by capitalist countries?

What about generating child porn, or mail scams?

Those AI problems can definitely not be solved by overthrowing Capitalism.

TheFogan,

Well those aren’t uniquely AI problems.

AI generated or human artwork created CP is also kind of debatable in terms of harm causing vs potential harm reduction. (IE the question is, does availability of fake CP in which no one is harmed in the making of it, lessen or raise the amount of actual offenders).

Misinformation, scams etc… all just as likely to happen via shops of cheap labor

The problems of AI that I believe this post is talking about, are the labor displacement issues, IE when AI gets good enough to outperform humans at tasks… how will the economy deal with unemployable people. Which is a specifically capitalism problem. IE the fact that work is based on supply/demand… and lowering the supply of work while keeping peoples demand of needing income… leads to people starving to death.

PeriodicallyPedantic,

Ok, not all. The concerns OP was referencing were likely concerns related to mass job displacement and unemployment.

Vuraniute, to memes in True
@Vuraniute@thelemmy.club avatar

holy shit

communist e/acc

PeriodicallyPedantic,

I think the concern being solved is: In capitalism AI makes owners lives better and workers lose jobs. In communism AI makes workers lives better because they’re all the owners.

Certainly not all the issues. And in theory.

UlyssesT, to memes in True

No arguments here.

tacosanonymous, to memes in True

My biggest concern with “AI” is people trusting it. It seems to be wrong a lot and people are misinformed enough already. I don’t think this is solved by people owning the means of production.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

That’s not a problem that’s unique to AI, though; and misinformation would be much easier to address if you remove the profit incentive. Misinformation sells.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

The incentive to oversell the capabilities of AI and market it as being more than what it is stem directly from capitalism though.

Annoyed_Crabby, to memes in True

Easier to overthrow AI tech than to overthrow capitalism sadly.

m3t00, to memes in Why not?
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

he sees you when you’re sleeping. he knows when you’re awake

imgprojts,

He knows if your fart is good, so fart good for goodness sake!

MargotRobbie, to memes in Why not?

I want to believe that this is probably the actual Flying Spaghetti Monstert that made this post on Lemmy.

Because it would be really funny.

Sibbo, to memes in Why not?

I’m usually worshipping Rigatoni instead, spaghetti are just too basic for me. Sometimes also Fusilli.

I believe the pasta heaven is very much like the old Greek and Roman gods: more of a large family than just a single lonely individual.

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