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BetaDoggo_, to linux in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

Dropping support after only 25 years? I can’t believe Linux is contributing to planned obsolescence.

Norgur, to linux in Steam Linux Marketshare Surges To Nearly 2% In November

Can we talk about the definition of a "surge", please!

joshhsoj1902,

What percentage increase do you feel is required for surge to be a reasonable definition. A 35% increase feels surge-y me.

agame,

Sergei?

CheesyFox,

sir gay?

porksoda,

It’s not the percentage total but the speed of increase.

ImFresh3x, (edited )

It’s not just a percentage thing. 1 person yesterday to 2 people today is a 100% increase. Not much of a surge, at least in terms of news worthiness. Going from 6% to 10% sounds more news worthy than going from 1% to 2% despite the latter being a much larger percentage increase.

sekhat,

Considering the many millions of steam accounts. A 1% increase is nothing to sniff at.

joshhsoj1902,

Of course, percentage just help show relativity. It’s why people can look at a 0.5% increase and dismiss it as not significant.

Would it help if I translated the percentage for you? Linux surged 600000 to 2.3 million.

soggy_kitty,

The council planted a new tree on my road, trees surged in population from 1 to 2 yesterday

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

Given the sheer amount of Steam users, it’s still not a bad increase.

hdnsmbt,

100% surge is legit

joshhsoj1902,

That’s why we’re talking about relative percentages.

In your example we would need to know how many trees existed on your road/city before. If there were less than 3 or 4 trees in your city before this, saying there was a surge is likely fine.

soggy_kitty,

I gave you that information, I said “from 1 to 2” and added context of “a tree” (singular)

My terribly made point is that although technically correct when talking about relative increase it’s dumb as fuck to say trees “surged in population” after adding just one more on one street. It’s a drop on the ocean.

I feel like the term surge respects the final total relative to what its maximum could be as well as the relative increase. But obviously language is regional and up for interpretation

brax,

A delicious canned energy drink from the 90s.

grue,

Josta was better.

soggy_kitty,

Click bait media

redcalcium, to linux in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

ATI Rage 128, 3Dfx, S3 Savage, Intel 810, SiS, VIA and Matrox MGA DRM drivers

Those are some ancient cards! Can’t believe they’re supported this long.

KISSmyOS,

That brings me back to my first PC build, 20 years ago, using parts my friends had discarded cause they were too old.

addie,
@addie@feddit.uk avatar

I still have a Rage 128 hanging around as a ‘temporary head’ for installing headless servers. Many happy nights playing Thief: The Dark Project with it, and now it’s only good for rendering a TTY at a barely acceptable resolution. And soon, not even that. Goodbye, little e-waste :-(

grue,

Frame it and hang it on the wall.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Surround it with the box art of the games it powered so many years ago for extra nostalgia power

bitcrafter, (edited ) to linux in KDE's Nate Graham On X11 Being A Bad Platform & The Wayland Future

Alternatively, instead of reading a Phoronix article that has a couple of short snippets from a much longer blog post, you can read the original blog post yourself to see the full context.

Edit: Also, it is worth noting that the author of the original blog post had previously written another relatively recent post criticizing the way in which Wayland was developed, so it’s not like they are refusing to see its problems.

IHeartBadCode,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

One of the specific issues from those who've worked with Wayland and is echoed here in Nate's other post that you mentioned.

Wayland has not been without its problems, it’s true. Because it was invented by shell-shocked X developers, in my opinion it went too far in the other direction.

I tend to disagree. Had say the XDG stuff been specified in protocol, implementation of handlers for some of that XDG stuff would have been required in things that honestly wouldn't have needed them. I don't think infotainment systems need a concept of copy/paste but having to write:

Some_Sort_Of_Return handle_copy(wl_surface *srf, wl_buffer* buf) {
//Completely ignore this
return 0;
}

Some_Sort_Of_Return handle_paste(wl_surface *srf, wl_buffer* buf) {
//Completely ignore this
return 0;
}

Is really missing the point of starting fresh, is bytes in the binary that didn't need to be there, and while my example is pretty minimal for shits and giggles IRL would have been a great way to introduce "randomness" and "breakage" for those just wanting to ignore this entire aspect.

But one of those agree to disagree. I think the level of hands off Wayland went was the correct amount. And now that we have things like wlroots even better, because if want to start there you can now start there and add what you need. XDG is XDG and if that's what you want, you can have it. But if you want your own way (because eff working nicely with GNOME and KDE, if that's your cup of tea) you've got all the rope in the world you will ever need.

I get what Nate is saying, but things like XDG are just what happened with ICCCM. And when Wayland came in super lightweight, it allowed the inevitably of XDG to have lots of room to specify. ICCCM had to contort to fit around X. I don't know, but the way I like to think about it is like unsalted butter. Yes, my potato is likely going to need salt and butter. But I like unsalted butter because then if I want a pretty light salt potato, I'm not stuck with starting from salted butter's level of salt.

I don't know, maybe I'm just weird like that.

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

I don’t think infotainment systems need a concept of copy/paste but having to write:

Having lived through the whole “phones don’t need copy and paste debate”, which fortunately got solved by now having it everywhere I’m in the camp “just stick that everywhere, just in case somebody might use it one day”

avidamoeba, to linux in systemd 255 Released With A "Blue Screen of Death" For Linux Systems
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

I love this! Not only for the comedic value, but throwing kernel oopses on-screen when they can’t be easily captured when unprepared would be of great help in solving system problems. Unlike the cryptic messages Windows displays, Linux kernel messages are quite useful.

MonkderZweite,

Isn’t this the default behavior of all(?) modern *nix init? Maybe not SysV, i don’t know.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Is it? I’ve been on Debian/Ubuntu since 2005 and I’ve never seen anything on-screen whenever I’ve gotten a kernel oops.

MonkderZweite,

They use Systemd, so there.

ikidd, to linux in KDE's Nate Graham On X11 Being A Bad Platform & The Wayland Future
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Wayland has fixed so many head-scratching issues I would get running 6 monitors on 2 GPUs under X11. I’d often end up with missing monitors, placed in wrong spots that I’d have to rearrange every reboot until an update would come through that would fix it again for a few months, then all over again.

Since I moved to wayland, everything just works. When it doesn’t, it’s not a display server issue, it’s something physical. I just had a couple monitors fail to show up and thought “oh hell, it’s back to this, eh”. But I open the tower, seat the offending GPU better, and everything comes up like normal, and all the screens are in the right position, it just remembers.

Anyone that thinks X11 is still superior probably runs on a laptop with a single screen.

Still,
@Still@programming.dev avatar

man it crazy I switched to Wayland on my laptop and docking to 3 monitors just worked on Wayland and it would remember all my monitors settings

I hand like 2 or 3 scripts setup to try and manage that on x11

lemmyvore,

I mean I’m fully with you on the fact screen autodetect isn’t stellar on X but there’s no need to exaggerate with “2 or 3 scripts”. It’s one xrandr command.

lemmyvore,

And I’m sure all the other people using 6 monitors on 2 GPUs at the same time will appreciate it.

Seriously, how common is such a scenario that you’d even mention it in this context?

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Ultra wide for cheap is one of uses

LeFantome,

3 monitors is probably a lot more common than you think.

people_are_cute,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I have, unironically, never seen anyone using three monitors together on a PC in my life.

aBundleOfFerrets,

A lot of people that run three monitors got all three from a thrift store for $8

SkyeStarfall,

Seriously? That’s my home setup, and a lot of my friends also have 3 monitors.

I’m surprised you don’t know anyone who has three monitors. It’s common for tech-y people.

bufalo1973, (edited )
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

Main work + secondary work (docs, output, …) + sensors/debug/multimedia

meekah,
@meekah@lemmy.world avatar

Ive seen several devs do that, and also some of my gaming friends have 3 monitors.

I barely know anyone who only has a single display. Most people I know have one high refresh rate monitor, and one office monitor for discord and the likes.

UdeRecife,
@UdeRecife@literature.cafe avatar

Hello! Nice to meet you. I know and love your kind. One monitor is pretty standard, so I have a lot of friends just like you.

Yup, 3 monitors user here. I guarantee it’s not that uncommon.

(And yes, I’m still running X11)

iopq,

Two monitors with different refresh rates is very common. Think laptop connected to a bigger monitor.

pineapplelover,

I have 2 75hz and a 240hz. It’s been alright for me on kde and x11. Although, I do want to give this Wayland thing a shot after hearing it being brought up so many times

PixxlMan,

Since it’s probably reasonably rare it’s a good demonstration of the stability of Wayland. It makes sense to mention it imo

linucs, to linux in PipeWire 1.0 Released For Managing Audio/Video Steams On The Linux Desktop

Pipewire is a true blessing for Linux

RmDebArc_5, to linux in KDE Plasma Mobile 6 Porting Underway
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

2024 year of the Linux D̶e̶s̶k̶t̶o̶p̶ phone

Contend6248,

We literally already have Linux phones, but i would love to cut some bullshit in the middle and go more upstream one day

toastal, (edited )

Nothing would make me more happy. I really wish it weren’t such a pain to deal with the telephony. You check devices on postmarketOS & while some devices can boot, it’s usually the actual phone part that isn’t working–which is kind of an important part. The open hardware phones work fine, but their specs are ancient while being as expensive as flagships. I still have eventual hope tho as device needs have started to plateau.

Dehydrated, to linux in AMD Publishes XDNA Linux Driver: Support For Ryzen AI On Linux

Kudos to AMD for supporting Linux

SamXavia, to linux in Steam Linux Marketshare Surges To Nearly 2% In November
@SamXavia@kbin.run avatar

I'm guessing this is because of more sales of the Steam Deck, haven't got myself one yet but I'd love to as everyone that has gotten ones has said it's worth the money as well as is a great way to get through your games on the go.

vanderbilt,
@vanderbilt@beehaw.org avatar

It’s been pretty good. So long as you stick to verified and playable games your experience is going to be pretty solid.

GammaGames,

How many are there? I always see more games getting added

nous,

6 of the top 10 are verified or playable or 43% of the top 1000 games. But verified and playable is only a subset of the games that work, quite a few unsupported games do as well. If you go by medals the 7 of the top 10 are silver ranked or better (minor issues but generally playable) and 88% of the top 1000. So there are a lot of games that are playable that are still listed as unsupported on the deck.

You can see the numbers for various different things at www.protondb.com as well as different reports for all the games (including some tips on how to get things to work or work better).

niisyth,

That and Emudeck.

The most seamless retro gaming setup I’ve used yet.

averyminya, (edited )

TBH I’ve yet to come across any game I haven’t been able to play (aside from the obvious VR/occasional anti-cheat), most unsupported games just haven’t been tested for most cases

Edit: out of curiosity I actually went through my library to see just how many unsupported games I could download and try (again, not the VR ones lol).

I ended up getting caught up playing Revita all day and it says unsupported but it definitely works! For anyone else interested in that game, it is having some development quirks but there’s a public beta branch of it that seems to be the “definitive” version of the game.

Uploaded a control scheme template for the beta since there wasn’t one I liked :D

Then I tried an old DOS game Litil Divil which also worked just fine. I’d have tried some others but like I said, addicting game be addicting

vanderbilt,
@vanderbilt@beehaw.org avatar

Same, I’m not a big multiplayer person so most of the time it works out. My latest has been Lethal Company, my first new multiplayer game this year 😂. Been a blast.

brax,

That, but also the splash buff of Proton making a lot of games work for Linux outside of Steam Decks has probably helped too.

NinePeedles,

You may be right in that people are seeing how viable Linux is for gaming due to the success of the Steam Deck.

I’m not sure if steam deck is counted under Arch, but it’s definitely not Ubuntu, Mint, or Manjaro. It looks like the increase in Linux desktop is traditional desktop gaming.

verysoft, (edited )

SteamOS is 42.99% of the Linux share on there, with the lion's share increase of 0.68%. This 'surge' is pretty much just from the Steam Deck.

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m not sure if steam deck is counted under Arch

It must be, because there’s no way vanilla Arch is the most-used Linux distro, even among gamers.

lemmyvore,

Add the article says, the surge is entirely thanks to the Deck. There was a 35% surge in overall use but 43% of that use is the Deck so PC/laptop use has actually dropped.

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

I’d say some of that drop was punters like me who were already gaming on Linux and have just moved over to the deck now.

I have a dock for mine and it’s really the only thing I use for gaming now as my laptop is very old.

pinchcramp, (edited ) to linux in PipeWire 1.0 Released For Managing Audio/Video Steams On The Linux Desktop
@pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Official Release Page for those who don’t want to read the Phoronix article: gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/…/1.0.0

It’s great to see that Pipewire has reached this milestone. Personally I’ve been using it since 0.3.35 for very basic audio needs and it’s been a very smooth transition. After installation I never had to tinker with it anymore. “It just works”^TM^

Deckweiss,

I had to do some tinkering way back to make my bluetooth earplugs be recognized as an audio device.

Not sure if that is still needed today

onion,

No

Chewy7324, to linux in systemd 255 Released With A "Blue Screen of Death" For Linux Systems

Some Highlights:

  • A new component “systemd-bsod” has been added to show logged error messages full-screen if they have a “LOG_EMERG” log level. This is intended as a tool for displaying emergency log messages full-screen on boot failures. Yes, BSOD in this case short for “Blue Screen of Death”. This was worked on as part of Outreachy 2023. The systemd-bsod will also display a QR code for getting more information on the error causing the boot failure.
  • Hibernation into swap files backed by Btrfs are now supported.
  • Support for split-usr has been removed.
KiranWells,
@KiranWells@pawb.social avatar

Actually looking forward to the btrfs swapfile hibernation; I have tried setting it up on my machine before but the documentation was never clear on whether it would work (or why mine wasn’t).

NaoPb, to linux in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

What do you mean obsolete. I still use 'em.

joyjoy,

Maybe you’re obsolete!

NaoPb,

Damnit you may be right!

VinesNFluff, to linux in Firefox Is Going To Try And Ship With Wayland Enabled By Default
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

I’m so traumatized by how tech everything goes, that I read “Firefox is going to try (…)” and immediately braced for some dystopian bullshit.

Then saw “Wayland” and relaxed. I have no hot takes about Wayland lmao.

Phanatik, to linux in PipeWire 1.0 Released For Managing Audio/Video Steams On The Linux Desktop

Genuinely one of the best pieces of software that these heroes are giving away.

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