I’m not looking to self host anything or switch frontends. I just wish I could watch videos when people post Piped links without the extra hassle of navigating Piped’s interface enough to get the raw Youtube url. I suppose if there’s a public Invidious instance that actually works and everybody on Lemmy posting links to Piped switches to that public Invidious instance, that would wolve my issue, but I suspect Invidioue may not actually be any more reliable.
Online it can become a competitive thing. They still want to “win” the argument even if the light comes on and they realize they have incorrect or incomplete information and the other side has made better arguments with better evidence. I suspect most people fall into this trap at some point in online forums. I definitely have. Guilty as charged.
And not to excuse this behavior, but part of it comes from poor sportsmanship and lack of grace from damned near everyone vis a vis Twitter/X/Facebook/reddit. People who “win” a competition like this are quick to gloat on how they “owned” the other person. Worse than this, trying to be reasonable and open-minded in these spaces often comes across as weakness.
There is a small movement of folks who call for radical empathy. This is where you do your level best to make a good faith effort to fully understand and see the merits of the other side’s arguments even if you don’t agree. That way lies learning and growth.
I don’t see admitting that I’m wrong as a weakness, and I’m not afraid to be the first to make a “concession”. I had a very few arguments on reddit turn into something positive (to the surprise of both parties) because I admitted I had made an incorrect assumption, my reasoning was flawed, or whatever. That made it “okay” for the other individual to admit they had made a mistake, too. Importantly, I didn’t use that as an opportunity to judge, criticize, or attack them. From there, we had a real conversation. It didn’t happen often, but it was great when it did!
Of course, most of the time people made cheap insults or just ignored me, but I was okay with that, too. Sure, it was disappointing, but the whole conversation was right there for anyone who wanted to read it. At least I wasn’t the one who looked like a petty asshole.
I’ve often had the same question as OP. I’ve read and understood the replies in this thread, and some of them are very good. I understand the points being made, but I still don’t get it, ya know? Everybody is wrong sometimes. There’s absolutely no shame in it, and it’s completely unrealistic to pretend that you never are. Plus, by keeping an open mind, being wrong is a fantastic way to learn!
I agree with you that it shouldn’t come across as weakness, and to a mature person it is sign of strength. I should have phrased it better, but my intention was to say that in these online forums many of the ‘spectators’ (who up and down vote, and/or pile on) seem to read nuanced arguments and open-minded thinking as being “weak”.
In other words, there’s often too many points scored for having an aggressive style, nasty sarcasm, insults, etc.
Because people tie their egos to their opinions and beliefs. They see an attack on those as an attack on their person.
We are all like this to certain extents. For example, I am a firm believer of the right of the individual to make their own choices, and believe that attempts to remove a person's right to make choices morally abhorrent.
It’s a basic psychological need to be able to trust that your brain can be right. A lot of psychological problems can result if you don’t trust your own brain to be able to solve problems and cope with new information.
Some people don’t learn the value of accepting mistakes/failure as part of learning. As a result, they will associate being wrong with weakening the trust they have in their brain. They don’t want to believe that their brain may not come up with answers for the problems and changes they face in life. So they will deny that their brain is incorrect.
It’s an ugly insecurity, but it’s totally understandable from an evolutionary perspective. We need to be able to trust our brains to navigate life’s challenges. People need to be taught that it’s okay to make mistakes, and that admitting when you are wrong is an opportunity for personal growth.
Can you elaborate on what you mean psych problems when you don't trust your brain?
I have memory issues and so when I'm doing something more complex than muscle memory I write it down. So I don't trust myself on specific memory tasks, like phone numbers.
I’m not a psychologist, so I can’t explain the exact theory, but basically my understanding is that self-confidence and self-esteem are linked to the concept of self-efficacy, which means the trust that your mind will be able to cope with the challenges presented to it. Low self-esteem and self-confidence are linked to all kinds of insecurities and challenges functioning.
Disclaimer: I recently began working on my own low self-confidence with my therapist and she pointed me to a book, the contents of which I’m mostly regurgitating here. The book is “The Six Pillars of Self-esteem” by Nathaniel Branden.
Cognitive dissonance. People see themselves as rational and intelligent and anything that counters that is very difficult to accept, so they double down.
Civilization. While it CAN be a stressful game if you crank up the difficulty to Deity, at prince or king, it’s just so much fun.
With the advanced setup options, you can set up a game for however you are feeling at the time, explore a large world (however full or empty you want it), expand and watch your empire cover the map, learn and find all the new stuff in the world, conquer everybody, be a neutral power broker, launch into space.
Ego has been mentioned. Sunk cost fallacy plays a part. Combine those and people tend to over value the effort they've made to form their opinion, either through some form of information consumption or synthesis of known ideas/held opinions, while devaluing/doubting the existence other people's previous efforts. So, you often end up with two people who both think they're informed and assume the other person is just making up an opinion right now and failing to see their valuable insight.
When my wife was pregnant, a buddy gave her an old cast iron pan and told her to heat applesauce in it. Said it should help her iron deficiency, too bad we're to add to have remembered....
It’s a cat and mouse game with Google. Sometimes Piped works, other times it loads only the first minute of the video before hanging forever, and sometimes it doesn’t load at all. Often YouTube makes an updates that breaks it altogether until someone fixes it.
I’ve had the most luck with NewPipe but unfortunately it’s only a mobile app, not a website. Works great though.
I used to use NewPipe, but there’s a new mobile app on the block from FUTO called Grayjay. You really should check it out, it’s even more flexible and also loads and runs faster than NewPipe.
I saw that. It’s not FOSS, though if that’s what you’re implying.
Just reading over the license, it allows neither making modifications to the source nor commercial use. Allowing both of those would be necessary for it to qualify as either Free Software or Open Source. (And I’m not sure those are the only things in the license preventing it from qualifying as FOSS.)
Source available ≠ FOSS. And Grayjay isn’t FOSS even if its source can be perused.
They don’t give a flying crap if you modify the source and compile it privately for yourself, they just don’t want people or companies making profit from their works or distributing said modifications without their approval.
They’re not worried about individuals like ourselves making our own private modifications if we so care to. They know 95%+ of individuals out there aren’t even coders anyways, they just expect the few that do happen to go out of their way to modify their apps don’t distribute their mods without authorization.
The main infrastructure of their license is to make sure the big companies out there can’t legally rip off their code, alter it and sell it under their own branding or such.
They’re not worried about individuals like ourselves making our own private modifications if we so care to.
Apparently they are, because they don’t allow it in their license and the way the license is written makes its absence seem rather conspicuous and intentional.
If they do eventually make good on their promise (from “pledge #3”) to make it Open Source, then maybe I’ll be interested. Until then, I’m not taking the word of a random Lemmy user what they are “worried about individuals like ourselves” doing. I’m taking their own (legal department’s) word.
they just expect the few that do happen to go out of their way to modify their apps don’t distribute their mods without authorization.
The main infrastructure of their license is to make sure the big companies out there can’t legally rip off their code, alter it and sell it under their own branding or such.
You have to understand that every piece of FOSS software out there allows anyone to “legally rip off their code, alter it and sell it under their own branding or such.” Any piece of software out there that doesn’t allow that does not qualify as Open Source or Free Software.
(It rustles my jimmies to use the term “rip off” in this context, but I hoped quoting your exact words directly would make it clearer)
If Grayjay’s license doesn’t allow that and if they see doing that as “ripping off”, then I have no interest in supporting or using that software unless/until that changes.
When I say “I won’t use it unless it’s FOSS,” I mean among other things that I won’t use it unless its license allows anyone to redistribute it and/or any derivative works of it either for profit or not and under a different brand. That’s how FOSS works.
(Ok. One caveat to the above that applies to some FOSS licenses (but probably not all.) I believe if someone violates the terms of, for instance, the GPL, then the permission to continue redistributing is revoked until they’re back in compliance with the terms of the license.)
That sounds like a you problem. I respect the terms of their license, and have no intent or desire to distribute any modified versions of their software, should I ever even care to try modifying anything in the first place.
If you do happen to find ways to improve their software, maybe consider applying with FUTO…
TBH I don’t really care that much as long as the source is available. Some talented dev can fork it if the project goes sideways. I’d like a webapp/desktop app too
Check their ‘Our Three Pledges’, particularly the third one regarding open source…
Quoted from their site, pledge #3
“We will always be transparently devoted to making delightful software. All FUTO-funded projects are expected to be open-source or develop a plan to eventually become so. No effort will ever be taken to hide from the people what their computers are doing, to limit how they use them, or to modify their behavior through their software.”
The app is so relatively new that initially it wasn’t even on any of the app stores, only straight from their site. But now it’s also on Google Play and APKPure, possibly other alternative app stores as well. Give it some time, I’m pretty sure F-Droid is on their radar as well sooner or later.
The app is still labeled as being Under Construction, but so far I’m rather pleased with it and would recommend giving it a try.
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