I’m not familiar enough with this to answer your question. But I know for sure that Bibi’s brother, Yoni, was a war hero. He died in the line of duty. So it isn’t like they are completely disconnected from war.
And I think a ministers kid was killed in Gaza today.
That’s what I was referencing. Not that I want to say Israel is blameless or the West Bank expansion shit isn’t straight up evil colonialism shit, but its harder to write them off if they’re putting their own children in harms way in the furtherance of what I would otherwise dismiss as plain geopolitical thieving.
Yeah, I mean just because they have something staked on the outcome doesn’t mean that the state of Israel isn’t an apartheid state. I don’t think any state is good, but separating citizens based on race or religion seems pretty fucking evil. And it is worse when you take an indigenous peoples land. As an American, I feel this deeply since we followed this same path dispossessing indigenous people while enslaving Africans. Not great… and I hope we start to rectify those evils sometime soon.
But jews lived next to non Jewish Arabs in Palestine for generations peacefully. And Jewish Arabs lived peacefully all over the Middle East. But the nekba changed those dynamics. Arab Jews are discriminated against in Israel and a lot have been ejected from their old Arab countries. The whole thing of boiling a person down to their ethnicity or religion just is not a great thing.
There needs to be a political settlement soon. Palestinians deserve better and Israelis deserve peace.
Gaza was controlled and settled by Isrealis. In 2005 Israel, by mean of law and force, disengaged from the gaza strip unilaterally. In the process, relocated all the settlers. I don’t think there’s any will, national or political, to annex gaza, not realistically.
I will admit that I am not totally aware of the value of the land of the West Bank vs Gaza. But from what I’ve been reading and watching these few months on the history of the conflict, it seems that at some point the PLO stopped being violent after the second Infatada and Hamas took over Gaza and pushed them out to the West Bank. And ever since then the West Bank has been slowly carved up more and more by Jewish settlements, effectively making the Palestinian land in the WB never able to be contiguous, and thus making it impossible for there to be a Palestinian state to be formed there.
So if the WB land is valuable to the Israelis, I cannot see how Gaza wouldn’t be even more valuable. As Gaza has access to the sea, and there’s all the recently found offshore gas fields that would fall into Gaza’s EEZ if it ever were to be recognized as the Palestinian state.
So I don’t get why they’d disengage and leave Gaza alone when it’s valuable land, but they will also for obvious reasons never stop the blockade of Gaza. As an outsider that leans to the left, it seems like Gaza is purposefully put into the state that it’s in, to keep a threat around, so the conservatives running Israel can stay in power.
Jews are indigenous to Israel too (backed by genetics and history). Also why are you so sure all Palestinians are indigenous to Israel? Studies have shown that there is a very good possibility that there has also been a large migration of Arabs into Palestine from the surrounding regions, as a consequence of conditions rapidly improving there.
Israel doesn’t separate people based on race and religion, there are Muslim Arab judges, cops, doctors, programmers, etc. A few years ago a bunch of programmers from Gaza got permission to work in Israel due to shortages - these guys are literally Arab, Muslim and come from enemy territory.
Arab Jews are discriminated against in Israel? You mean Mizrahi Jews which are the largest Jewish group in Israel and have the exact same rights as other people in Israel?
Or did you mean Arab Israelis who have the pleasure of living in (relative) freedom, when compared to Arabs elsewhere in the middle east (and as I stated before, also aren’t discriminated against)?
Israelis deserve peace, and Palestinians definitely deserve better - but it is their responsibility as a people to make their situation better. Israeli leadership currently sucks but the Israeli population in general has gone above and beyond in filling the void the government left. The same can be done by the Palestinians if they really wanted to, but it seems many of them really just want us dead at all costs.
Israelis deserve peace, and Palestinians definitely deserve better
Absolutely with you!
But it is their responsibility as a people to make their situation better.
Ok, hang on…
What do you mean by this? Whose responsibility? Palestinians? They have a responsibility to improve their situation…
Israel is an occupying force. Surely Israeli forces and settlers should leave occupied West Bank to start with. Then there can be a discussion about how Palestinians can improve their situation.
When the British Occupiers left the East Coast we, the Americans, started to build a nation while the shiftless Indians just tried to fight it. We killed them and dispossessed them of their land and civilized them.
Thank goodness we destroyed their ways of life (destruction of the buffalo (olives)). And removing them from their wealth sure made it easy for us to give out our settlers land for free (bought with Indian blood). It also had the side effect of forcing the Indian into our colonial system and they were cheap labor!
There are literally zero parallels here to Israel. I don’t know why I even thought of any of this.
The Israeli parliament consists of 120 politicians. Their children would need:
to not be Haredi, which are exempt from service
to be between the ages of 18-21, which is when their mandatory service runs
to serve in combat units
Chances are only a few of them answer this criteria (even less considering the extremist portion of this specific government which didn’t serve, and their children likely don’t serve either), and even they are likely not above pulling strings to get them out of danger. Except for that politician you talked about, apparently.
That is absolute bullshit about the Heredi. Its like, ok you can live in this unlrotected/untaxed area and be self-governing. Best of luck, let the Lord ur God fight off your/his enemies 🙄
They are gonna have to form their own army and I suspect they’re way to freaking soft and parasitic to be able to do so unilaterally or even on Easy mode
Edit: do they at least pay taxes or are they basically a completely mooching cancer on Israeli society that just fucks and prays and creates sewage they dont bear the cost of?
I see you’re buying into the corporate propaganda. Guess who paid for “studies” to clear power companies from liability.
Here are a few of the conclusions from studies that have discovered a strong link between proximity to power lines and health problems:
Cancer: Exposure to power lines has been connected to cancer. Brain cancer is the most common type, but associations with breast cancer and leukemia have also been claimed;
Tumors: Some studies have shown associations between brain and other cancerous tumors and exposure to power lines.
Miscarriages;
Increased susceptibility to illnesses such as cancer;
Please get your medical advice from doctors and not social media.
Please get your science information fro text books not youtube.
You live in a house that is lined with electrical wires but for some reason they are not an issue to you because no one has told you to be scared of them.
Power lines are more visible in areas with greater poverty, and poverty are risk factors for things like leukemia and miscarriages and depression. No animal trial has shown a link between the type of emissions that power lines give off and any medical issues. Additionally no one has been able to even demonstrate any possible mechanism for action.
But hey go ahead and prove me wrong. Get some rats and do a controlled study.
I haven’t done the full length of one but I’ve gone pretty far down one before
Basically you just need to figure out who owns the land and depending on that would depend on if you can legally or not
When I did it though I didn’t check first because I was basically banking on the fact it was near a national forest so if someone stopped me I’d claim (accurately) that I didn’t know it wasn’t a part of the national forest. Of course I’m not sure if it is a part of it or not, but if I did get stopped at least I’d know for sure. I didn’t get stopped but I did have a nice day out there.
Because it’s not needed outside the eastern US. The vast majority of land around me is public and anyone can go out. Right to roam would just give me the right to trample through someone’s property when there’s plenty of public land to go around it with, which is what right to roam usually entails anyways.
This is genuinely a states issue and not something federal.
Walking very close to someone’s home is also illegal with the right to roam. The right to roam just gives everyone the right to walk were they want except in someone’s garden. You can also camp anywhere (gardens excluded of course) for a day (or two can’t remember) without asking anyone for permission.
One kinda surprising thing is that everyone is allowed to enter fenced animal pastures, provided that they aren’t malicious and that they close the gate.
It’s an amazing right that should exist in the entire world.
You don’t seem to understand that my house, my town, and the majority of my state, are massive amounts of public forest. I have every right to wander and camp, as long as I’m not squatting (which is it’s own mess of an issue where what counts “permanently inhabiting” an area), anywhere in that public forest.
Why would my state govt have any reason to enshrine a right that would just make more people trespass because they don’t understand the law? Those that follow that law would then have nothing change.
This is why I say it’s a states’ issue. This won’t be the same across the entire US.
There are people who harvest wild food, yes. I think you need to understand that just our national forests are almost twice the size of the entirety of Sweden. Then there are state forests, national parks, and state parks. Texas alone is 50% larger than Sweden, and Alaska is 3x larger than Texas.
The area where there are always open camping sites in that one national park because no one wants to sleep under the high voltage lines and get cancer.
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