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Haagel, in More Parmesan? - Existential Comics

If the rationalist deduces what is logical based on their empirical experience then their reasoning is flawed. We have to accept the axiomatic truth that our senses are limited and cannot account for an absolute truth.

To separate valid perceptions from invalid ones, a person first must assume that the world can be known through the senses. They must also assume that the world is objectively real. These assumptions do not get along well with one other. To say the world is objectively real is to say it is independent of and indifferent to sense perception. Then what in the world can we know? We can know only the effects of the parmesan cheese upon our senses, not the cheese itself.

mimic_kry,

Rofl

You jest, but some actually do often confuse objective perception with objective reality.

Fact is though, the pursuit of a perfect vessel with which to observe reality is silly and impractical, so we make due with common shared characteristics.

In other words, the cheese itself is not cheese, we only perceive it as cheese

Haagel,

How would you define objective perception? If empiricism is equally problematic for all humans, then what could possibly qualify as objectivity in perception?

maccentric,

There is no spoon

mimic_kry,

Twas a joke

TheGreenGolem,

Are even our eyes real?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

How do they taste?

jandar_fett,

There is no cheese.

mimic_kry,

Lmao

The only truth is that there is no truth

I aspire to your level of philosophical ascension

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

Only Zuul

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

But mightn't we perceive it as cheese because it is cheese?

Also maybe not, but I don't think we can say it is not cheese.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Ceci n’est pas fromage.

bunkyprewster, (edited )

The objectively real world may be separate from and indifferent to sense perception, but sense perception isn’t indifferent to the objective world. Sense perceptions are caused by an interaction of our sense organs and the world. Surely from repeated patterns of sense perception we can draw some correct inferences about the external world?

Haagel,

How can we be sure that those inferences are correct? Any appeal to empirical evidence would be circular reasoning.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

And don’t call me Shirley.

Haagel,

Surely you can’t be serious

bunkyprewster,

“correct” is a heavy word there. Would reproducible and predictable suffice?

HopeOfTheGunblade,
@HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social avatar

We experience a world through the senses. We have no other way to experience any world that may or may not exist. The world experienced through the senses is apparently consistent, and if we do not deal with it, we have bad sensory experiences, or cease to be experienceable to each other entirely. So, since this is the only world we can interact with, and how we do so matters to our happiness, all we can do is take this world on its own terms and deal with it.

carnimoss, in SSB is a little messed up, when you think about it. [Safely Endangered]

This is why I play Mario Party they have it coming

cerement, in The Clock
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

one of the better ideas I’ve heard recently is that commute time should be included in clocked hours

noerdman,
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar

Can I still clock out to play into the breach or do I then actually have to work on my commute?

conno02,
@conno02@lemmy.world avatar

congratulations! companies now have motivation to hire people as close as possible to the workplace, as well as fire those who live further than everywhere else!

those optimizing fucks would run that idea into the ground, i think

WaxedWookie,

I don’t see the issue - company towns worked out great, right?

…right?

…oh no…

…oh no no ^no ^^no ^^^no ^^^^no ^^^^^no ^^^^^^no

noerdman,
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar

Don’t you dare destroy my plan to move away from work to spend a full paid working day commuting!

conno02,
@conno02@lemmy.world avatar

🤫

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

well, other than no one can afford to live near the workplace

conno02,
@conno02@lemmy.world avatar

they’ll pick the most efficient option-- to them, it’s not “people HAVE to live this far away or less”. it’s “alright, who lives the farthest away and are potential new hires closer”. basically, they’d define “near” based on where employees live and where job applicants live.

it’d result in a world where the people who can afford to live closer than their coworkers are the people with more job security. it’d be more wealth inequality

funkless_eck,

Elon already put beds in the twitter offices

Franzia, (edited )

This would be so shit, yeah.

In a later comment you imagine housing near the workplace to be an expensive way to boost your resume.

I imagine us one step closer to company towns. Housing thats owned and operated by an LLC connected to your workplace and housing issues and workplace issues become one and the same.

CrayonRosary,

The company doesn’t control how far away you live. Why should you get paid to listen to podcasts for two hours a day because you chose to live an hour away, and I only get paid for actual work?

Sloogs,

Maybe we should just have shorter work days or 4 day work weeks so that everyone isn’t just insanely burned out from the rat race.

13esq, (edited )

It seems silly to incentivise long commutes.

Why pay someone that drives an hour each way more than someone that cycles to work in twenty minutes?

In that example, based on a wage of £20ph, the driver would be earning £6,666 per year more than the cyclist, that’s nearly an additional £300,000 over a 45 year career… You’d be an absolute idiot to not sell your house and move as far away from your work as reasonably possible.

noerdman, (edited )
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar

What kind of stupid question is that? Just walk two hours instead of cycling twenty minutes! Duh!

13esq,

Stupid ideas get stupid questions!

GBU_28, (edited )

Why mention cycling?

In that case it would be “drive one hour or cycle 4”

Do you mean to suggest the company should hire folks who live closer, period? That is more logical

The operative task is minimize commute.

In most cases a car would be the fastest commute, even if you live close. (Assuming a non hyper dense urban environment)

13esq, (edited )

You seem to assume that I was implying that the two people in the scenario live an equal distance from the work place.

My scenario implies that the cyclist might live less than ten miles from work and that the driver lives a multiple of that away and ridicules the idea of financially rewarding someone for living further away from the workplace in terms of distance, time and carbon footprint.

GBU_28, (edited )

I didn’t assume anything I took issue with moving variables from the outset.

Differing the range of travel in a question about the duration of travel is insanity. Then layering on a change of the mode of travel too…

Hawk,

In my country, cycling is incentivized. I get paid for cycling to work.

Besides that, commute time isn’t that much different by bike than by car in my case.

GBU_28,

All well and fine, but they compared apples to oranges, by moving variables

13esq,

I was comparing two different, but very reasonable scenarios where two employees pay would be hugely different for a very silly reason. It’s not apples and oranges.

GBU_28,

An actual comparison was simple.

“Imagine one employee lives an hour away, and one lives 20 minutes away”

13esq, (edited )

You’re arguing about semantics, it doesn’t change the point that I was trying to make.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

In that case it would be “drive one hour or cycle 4”

For me it is:

  1. Relax and post on lemmy in PT for 47-50 minutes
  2. Drive for 45-90 minutes
  3. Cycle for about 45 minutes
PhlubbaDubba,

That or go remote if there’s no productive reason why they need to be in the office and then just don’t have to pay for a non-existent commute

It’s actually kinda genius from the perspective of getting unneeded commuters off the road, because like hell are those middle managers willing to pay commute time just to be able to more effectively ride your shoulder at the office

DrDominate,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

Why not just pay the price of gas plus maintenance costs then? But I would be for the same wage for commutes because that’s time that the individuals don’t get back in their life.

13esq,

Why not just live near your work place and save money and time yourself instead of making it your employers problem that you have a long commute.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the appeal of getting paid more for any reason. I just don’t think that it’s going to go down well in a workplace where some people would be getting paid substantially more for no other reason than they’ve chosen a job that’s far from where they live.

DrDominate,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not getting paid more it’s the employer funding the employees’ commutes.

13esq,

I mean, that is kind of what a paycheck is for. . .

fushuan,

You would also account the gas and maintenance of the car that needs to drive that much. Also, now you are doing “overtime” every day. Thanks no thanks.

PhlubbaDubba,

Or you could just go remote if you can

13esq,

I don’t want to think about the person that had the option to go remote and yet still chose to commute every day instead.

PhlubbaDubba,

Extroverts, shudders

ilinamorato,

People always bring up this objection, but it’s extremely solvable: just pay employees for their travel respective to the median commute time for that area. Sure, people who live close get a little bonus and people who live far away get slightly less; but it removes all impetus to game the system and helps people who need it.

Opafi,

Germany kind of does that… When you file your taxes, you claim the “Pendlerpauschale”, which is, roughly translated, the commute lump sum. For the first 20 kilometres between home and work, people get 30 cents per km, any km after that gives you 38 cents.

It kind of works in the sense that the money you spend to get to work is more or less evened out. It is also paid regardless of your means of transport, so cheaper means (such as bicycles or trams) are incentivised by potentially making you some money in return. However, this is still far from an hourly wage… We’re talking about a few hundred euros, maybe a few thousand per year if you have a long commute.

If you used the median time and would force employers to pay a wage I really don’t get how you would either prevent people to move further away (if you have worker protection laws) or people being fired for living too far away (if you live in the USA). This would also make it far more profitable for higher incomes to commute, which seems kind of counter-intuitive as they are probably the ones who need it the least and who would be able to just move to a new home if they wanted to.

qtj,

But you don’t get paid the “Pendlerpauschale”. You can only deduct it from your taxes.

Opafi,

Let’s just hope that if you travel eighty kilometres to work you’ll earn enough for this distinction to no longer be relevant?

qtj,

That would mean paying a marginal tax rate of 100%. The maximum marginal tax in germany is 45%, if you make more than €277000 per year.

CrayonRosary, (edited )

If you pay everyone the same “travel allowance” then that’s just part of everyone’s total compensation and compensation will be reduced somewhere else. There’s no magic money fountain at a business. An employee’s compensation is an employee’s compensation. Simply declaring that “this portion of your pay is a travel allowance” is absolutely meaningless.

A company is not going to pay everyone more money just to help those who live far away who “need it”.

ilinamorato,

Economists like to pretend that currency is entirely rational, real, finite, and concrete, but it’s really not. That fiction only holds together as long as the bulk of people are willing to believe it.

Besides, these laws would never be two lines long like are written here. They would have addenda and provisions and such, preventing businesses from discriminating against employees based upon commute length, giving an upper limit, preventing a decrease in compensation to accommodate the commute benefit, and so forth.

And in the end would it turn out to be less than worthwhile? Maybe. But current remuneration in Western culture emphatically isn’t working. We need either one big change or lots of little changes, and this would fall in the latter category.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar
SuckMyWang, (edited )

Well there sometimes is a magic money fountain. Like when the minimum wage goes up the money fountain just pays people more money that apparently wasn’t there before. Or when people ask for a raise and their boss tells them no so they leave and have to pay a new hire 140% of the original employee. The trick is to make the money fountain think you’re not going to work anymore because it’s only on a trickle. As soon as you stop working it remembers where all the money is. Magic

alphapuggle, in The Clock

If I can clock in on the shitter that’s where I’d clock in every morning

noerdman,
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar

“Nate, we need to talk about your login locations.”

“What’s wrong with me logging in on the China? Why is there a clock if it shouldn’t be used?”

“Nothing wrong with that, pal. But could you tell us why it’s the gents’ room on Mondays, the ladies’ one on Tuesdays, the disabled’s one on Wednesdays, the shitter in my private apartment on Thursdays and seemingly King Charles’ private golden toilet in his fox hunting hut near Essex on Fridays?”

Deadeyegai, in The Clock
@Deadeyegai@lemmy.world avatar

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That’s why I poop on company time.

noerdman, (edited )
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar

Boss makes a grand, I make a dollar. I eat more fibre so breaks get even longer.

GBU_28, (edited )

Uhh fiber makes shits super fast and super clean

Perroboc,

Yeah but the boss doesn’t need to know that

noerdman, (edited )
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar
AtariDump, (edited )

The boss makes a dollar,
I make a dime
That was a poem
From a simpler time.

Now my boss makes a grand
While I make a cent
And he’s got employees
That can’t make the rent

When the CEO makes a million
And we don’t make jack
That’s when we riot
To take it all back

Now Mr investor
If this seems extreme
I have to remind you
It sure beats the guillotine

shoop, in SSB is a little messed up, when you think about it. [Safely Endangered]
Albbi,

That was a pretty fun video! Wasn’t sure what I would get without a title on your post.

Donut, (edited )

Haha I was looking for this video as soon as I saw the thread. For context, this is the animated music video for SMASH!, a song by video game parody band Starbomb.

The lines that popped into my head were

You know

When Mario and Peach team up you are screwed

Luigi: You’re my own BROTHER!

Kbin_space_program, in SSB is a little messed up, when you think about it. [Safely Endangered]

SSB is toys of those characters. That's why they turn into figures and why all of the items are figures.

And why the final boss is a hand.

Poggervania,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

OG Smash Bros intro to see where this idea came from. Melee’s intro iirc shows off the idea as well.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Easy there.

Just because they are toys doesn’t mean they are not people.

rubythulhu,

Look we’ve all seen toy story

BowtiesAreCool,

Also the scale of characters is completely inconsistent

Fredselfish, in The Clock
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t give companies ideas ( written from the bathroom at work)

noerdman,
@noerdman@feddit.de avatar

(I like how you’re on Lemmy during that time (and how that gives you plausible deniability if somebody asks if your bathroom breaks need to be 30 minutes because you’re on reddit))

Fredselfish,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

Boss makes a dollar I make a dime why I poop on company time.

thorbot, (edited ) in SSB is a little messed up, when you think about it. [Safely Endangered]

But the difference is they like beating the hell out of eachother

brsrklf,
Buddahriffic,

Yeah, I picture them like Goku and Vegeta. If you’re not fighting at 100% with the intent to kill your opponent, you’re insulting them gravely.

thorbot,

It’s never truly to the death though, even if they get yeeted into oblivion they just respawn. They are immortal beings

Buddahriffic,

Goku and Vegeta don’t actually go all out and kill their opponents very often either. They like to tell their opponents to go all out while holding back as much as possible themselves because they don’t respect their opponents unless they make them go all out. Pretty much every single character in that multiverse is like that. But it does sound badass, even if it’s a subtle insult to their opponent.

Zoomboingding, (edited )
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

aka the Pokemon rationale

thorbot, (edited )

No, Pokemon are forced to beat the snot out of eachother and then shoved back into a tiny ball

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

In-game lore says that they enjoy combat, akin to sparring matches.

thorbot,

Oh right, they love getting beaten to the point of losing consciousness, I forgot the Pokemon company buried that in there

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not saying it’s a good rationale

thorbot,

For sure. I guess all Pokemon are sadists at heart

ImplyingImplications, in SSB is a little messed up, when you think about it. [Safely Endangered]

Would you rather it be like that one Black Mirror episode?

don,

Striking Vipers, for the curious.

scops,

Or that bit in Altered Carbon where a couple fight to the death to see who gets an upgraded sleeve.

Acters,

Yeah! maybe they are enjoying it, and the blast off from the stage is just them climaxing. Some are able to submissively survive to the outer edges of the arena, and other characters are edge guard dominant types

peopleproblems, in Broke Frog – The Jenkins

Hehehehehehe

this is a good one

Diprount_Tomato, in Broke Frog – The Jenkins
@Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

Poor Kermit

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Poor Kermit my ass.

He gets all-you-can-eat pork every night.

poszod, in Broke Frog – The Jenkins

Fucking genius.

otter,

This one got an audible laugh, it’s so simple but so good

NewNewAccount,

Can someone explain? I’m an idiot.

Phoenix3875,

Opening a purse but only getting flies flying out usually means that the purse is empty in cartoons. Here the conversation suggested that frogs uses flies as currencies and thus subverts the convention.

Another layer on top is that two flies are required, but the customer only got one, so they’re still broke, just like the conventional representation of being broke.

palordrolap,

Technically the insect in the original gag was a moth, not a fly.

Certain kinds of moth caterpillars eat cloth. Banknotes at the time and location of the original gag were made of cotton fibre paper, (and indeed some places still do this, or did so very recently) so were theoretically as delicious to those caterpillars as cotton clothes would be.

For clothing, mothballs can be used to deter them from laying eggs wherever the clothes are, but it's kind of hard to cram a mothball into a wallet. Also, the money probably already had the eggs on it, which is too late for a mothball anyway.

Thus, if a moth flies out of your wallet, it means that the paper money is long gone because that moth had time to get all the way from egg, through note-munching caterpillar to moth before you opened your wallet.

otter,

Oh a moth makes sense! I hadn’t thought of that

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

…or maybe it means you have a light in your wallet.

virock, in Street Mime - Last Place Comics

lol

Caboose12000, in "Introvert friends" by Sarah Andersen

Am I crazy or is this loss?

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