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GregorGizeh, (edited ) in Vulcan Sex Workers

From that voyager episode with horny belana we learn that Vulcans are basically assigned a mate, so the chances are slim that a vulcan would need release without an outlet. And aside from that, the ponfarr can also be dealt with through meditation and discipline, probably particularly created for the situations you mention where there actually is no partner available.

qantravon,

Vorik and Tuvok both claim the problem can be dealt with through meditation, but both of them also fail to resolve the issue in this way, so we don’t know if that’s actually an effective treatment.

There’s also lots of ways a Vulcan could end up single, not to mention we’ve seen at least two instances of Vulcans rejecting their arranged marriages (T’Pol and T’Pring), so there’s no guarantee any given Vulcan has a mate, despite their customs.

T156,

In the T’Pring case, we also see that sex isn’t the only outlet. A fight to the death is just as effective, with Spock ending up not needing to bed T’Pring, having resolved his Ponn Farr by fighting Kirk.

While the cultural custom is a fight to the death, it is possible that some form of extended, high-stakes physical combat might be enough to relieve things, but Vulcan sensibilities might simply prevent them from choosing that as an option.

qantravon,

This is true, and ultimately fighting is how Vorik’s Pon Farr is resolved as well. So there could also be a Vulcan fight club for those afflicted.

MimicJar, in Vulcan Sex Workers

It seems like a Vulcan Mind Meld can cure just about anything.

In “Flashback” from Voyager Tuvok melds with a close family member, in this case Janeway, to fix his disease.

In “Endgame” from Voyager it is implied that a meld will cure Tuvok’s disease.

In “Sarek” from TNG melding with Picard resolves Sarek’s emotional control.

I would expect rather than a sex industry they have those that specialize in mind melds. Perhaps a specific family member.

Having a backup option would still be logical, so random sex is still on the table.

FfaerieOxide,
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I would expect rather than a sex industry they have ... a specific family member.

ewwwwww

BobbyNevada,

I see you have broken both of your arms. How illogical…

T156, (edited )

In “Sarek” from TNG melding with Picard resolves Sarek’s emotional control.

In this case, at least, it was less a cure, and more temporarily offloading it to someone else to deal with. Basically the equivalent of Lwaxana affecting the entire Enterprise when she was going through The Phase, or someone with an injured leg leaning on another person to use as a crutch. Except that Sarek was relying on Picard’s emotional processing capabilities.

Presumably his symptoms would return when he ended the psychic connection.

ColonelSanders, in Vulcan Sex Workers

I always got the impression that Vulcan society operated similar to traditional Japanese or other societies where couples were “arranged” by families. Not sure about the one off cases though so maybe there is some kind of sex industry given the physiological toll if it’s not addressed in time

qantravon,

It does seem to be primarily on an arranged marriage system, but there are plenty of exceptions. Pairings that don’t come together for some reason, partners that die either due to age or accident, etc.

ColonelSanders,

As I recall on Voyager with a little coaxing Tuvok was able to use the holodeck to get “relief” so I’d imagine the same goes for most vulcans who might be on long away missions

qantravon,

It did work for Tuvok, but not for Vorik, so not a totally effective solution.

T156,

I’m not sure that it is. Voyager likely only went with the holodeck solution because they were stranded in the delta quadrant, and no other alternatives were available.

Within the Federation, a Vulcan who felt the Ponn Farr would take leave, like Spock tried to do, or couples would try to serve on the same ship/station together to minimise issues.

inappropriatecontent, in The Leif Ericson Class Incident

If the Leif Ericson class didn’t exist, how could it be in the handbook??!

Wooster,
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Asking the deep questions here.

T’Lyn thinks it may be the result of a temporal wake, while Boimler thinks this should be brought to the attention of the Department of Temporal Investigations.

ValueSubtracted, in The Leif Ericson Class Incident
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The interesting thing about cars like this, in which something is literally erased from reality, is that it’s completely victimless.

One cannot destroy that which never existed to begin with. From that perspective, I’d say Spock made the right call.

Wooster,
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I mean, that’s easy to say, because we’re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.

But would the same argument be made if instead it was Bajor, or Kronos that disappeared from existence?

ValueSubtracted,
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Well that’s the thing - something can’t really “disappear from existence,” unless we’re talking about something that did exist and was destroyed.

But if it never existed at all…well, there’s literally nothing lost.

The exception to this would be if Kirk and his crew remembered the Cerritos existing before the time travel shenanigans.

T156, (edited )

But if it never existed at all…well, there’s literally nothing lost.

But from an objective, non-linear perspective, the USS Leif Ericson did exist, before it was erased. A temporal agent with a timeline map would be able to follow the ship across its own personal timeline, until the point where it abruptly ends because the timeline it is currently in caused it to be erased.

It’s similar to the Federation and billions of Borg lives existing and not existing in First Contact, or any of the myriad times the Federation was erased by time travel, and then restored.

ValueSubtracted,
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Even accepting this to be true, Spock sure wouldn’t have any way of knowing, or any reason to care.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
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Where?

NOPper,

Spock just rolls with time travel ever since he went back, pretended he was his distant cousin, and saved his childhood self from venomous space wolves or whatever that was.

Seraph, in Where Are All The Bicycles??
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Wheeled transit when flight or hovering is so easy is just plain clumsy.

There's not a lot of cars either, outside of episodes set in the past.

porthos,

I mean once you have flight/hovering vehicles than practically the only transportation that doesn’t make obsolete is a bicycle for transporting someone a mile or two daily from their spaceship to a residence or wherever.

How is using a bicycle clumsy? I mean I get if people don’t like bicycles but honestly a bicycle is just fun to cruise around on, they are the opposite of clumsy.

Seraph,
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It needs relatively flat terrain. Even mountain bikes need trails. Off the trail they're not fun to ride, though a wash will do in a pinch.

porthos,

Bicycles don’t necessarily need flat terrain, especially with electric bikes that have futuristic insanely efficient batteries.

Yes bicycles do best on trails but anywhere that has humanoids is going to have trails. Anywhere that has any kind of large animal is going to probably have some degree of path system as well. I don’t think it’s that big of an issue compared to any other kind of ground vehicle.

Damage,

Cycling on rough trails can be exhausting, and requires regular training, riding completely off road is more difficult, if even possible.

The starfleet academy grounds should be littered with bycicles though.

chaogomu,

You sound like someone who has never ridden a bike through broken terrain.

I'll argue that the "flat" used by the comment above might be better taken on a more granular level. You can go up and down mountains just fine so long as there are no logs, large rocks, pits, or gullies that are in the way.

I was doing some D&D world building a while back and wanted to really dive into transportation of people/goods and found the same problem. Tenser’s Floating Disk is a very low level wizard spell that basically does away with all but the heaviest ships and carts.

It's the same for the trek universe. They have personal transportation methods that mean there's literally zero need for a bicycle for anything other than recreation.

Hell, Lower Decks opens with Mariner pushing around a hover cart full of stuff. It's literally the cold open of the entire series.

If you can have a hover cart like that, then why bother with a bike? Need to move stuff to a remote area? Get the hover cart, you don't need to cut a trail, just go over the obstacles. And that's if the transporter doesn't work if the first place to beam the people and equipment to a nearby area.

porthos,

I was doing some D&D world building a while back and wanted to really dive into transportation of people/goods and found the same problem. Tenser’s Floating Disk is a very low level wizard spell that basically does away with all but the heaviest ships and carts. It’s the same for the trek universe. They have personal transportation methods that mean there’s literally zero need for a bicycle for anything other than recreation.

I mean, its all just “magic” at a certain point, they could do everything with a transporter… but they dont so presumably there are reasons not to (even though the real reason is it is a tv show). I have never seen hovercarts used prominently in the live action shows, especially not as a vehicle.

TrickDacy,

Then =/= than

porthos,

I am a dog tho

TrickDacy,

THAN go AEt somA kibblA THAN go for a walk. Its bAttAr THEN writing shit on the IntArnAt ENYwey

Corgana,
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I agree, in my utopian future it’s possible to leisurely bike everywhere. Why hurry anywhere in a post-scarcity society when you can cruise around and take in the scenery?

porthos,

It would be a matter of public health policy that people had some kind of access to a short, physical commute to whatever place they worked/spent their day at, right? That is at least how I rationalize why they just don’t teleport people everywhere. They COULD technically teleport everywhere all the time… but the mental and physical health consequences to not getting some kind of mild daily exercise like bicycling are too intense (also having some kind of short, stress free commute helps one get into the mindset of work anyways).

Sanctus, in Where Are All The Bicycles??
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Its honestly because its not interesting to watch people beam down and bike all the time. Usually shit happens almost immediately after the beam anyway. But yeah where are my turbo maglift bikes.

porthos,

They could just take bmx bikes and beam down right into the action though, maybe even in the middle of a sweet handlebar spin. Are you going to tell me you don’t want to see bmx star trek action?

Sanctus,
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I do, but that sounds like some Lower Decks stuff lol

Corgana,
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I used to like Star Trek until this comment. I realize now that it’s all garbage and we have been robbed of happiness.

wuphysics87, in Vulcan Sex Workers

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Zorque, in Vulcan Sex Workers

They have meditations they can do with a group of fellow Vulcan's to help suppress the urge in the case of not being able to procreate with their mate. It comes up in Voyager.

magnetosphere, in Vulcan Sex Workers
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That does seem like the simplest, most reliable, most effective solution. We’ve seen things like meditation and medical treatments fail.

Easyreever, in Vulcan Sex Workers

That is the most logical explanation Captain.

shnizmuffin, in Raktajino... has liquor in it?
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An IRL reason: it was a cocktail made with coffee liquor at Star Trek: The Experience in Las Vegas.

OneCardboardBox,

Ah, the Quark approach:

  • Take a drink that costs forty slips of latinum to make
  • Pour it into a novelty glass
  • Add a dash of liquor
  • Charge two strips of latinum for it
princessnorah,
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What is the Slip to Strip conversion? Is it just 100:1?

OneCardboardBox, (edited )

According to memory alpha wiki:

100 slips = 1 strip

20 strips = 1 bar

There are also bricks, but no known conversation rate exists for that amount.

shnizmuffin,
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Hold up: I lied. (I realized I was commenting on Daystrom and went to go get a source.)

I was thinking of…

DEANNA TROI’S CHOCOLATE OBSESSION

If there’s one thing that Counselor Troi knows, it’s chocolate. And this is one of her favorite drinks in the galaxy. An empathic concoction of raspberry liqueur, Kahlua, Bailey’s, and chocolate syrup.

Here’s the recipe for Raktajino:

RAKTAJINO

Klingon coffee. A frozen blend of mocha and cappuccino. An honorable drink to prepare any warrior for combat. Qapla!

n3m37h,

Still no prune juice

bradboimler,
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Oh, man, it would've been PERFECT if they sold that. I regret not going when I had the chance.

Sharpiemarker,

Coffee+Prune juice = Emergency teleport to the nearest restroom/holodeck.

Jaccident,

They just beam the poops out!

princessnorah,
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See that’s what I said!

Jaccident,

It’s a popular theory that I first encountered on The Greatest Generation, though I think it must have come up organically many times since the 1960s!

qantravon, in Raktajino... has liquor in it?

That’s very strange, I’ve looked at a few recipes and never seen alcohol as an ingredient. It usually is just coffee with some spices, usually including cinnamon.

ThunderclapSasquatch,

I just assumed it took Mezoamerican influences back and added peppers, Klingons like food that fights back

askryan, in Raktajino... has liquor in it?

I’ve seen people suggest adding alcohol, but I think the idea is to simulate that Klingon coffee would have a sharpness or bite to it, rather than assuming that raktajino on the show would actually have alcohol. I played around with some recipes for fun and I actually mixed a few together and found something pretty delicious. I mix Turkish coffee, a small amount of whipped milk, cayenne pepper, cinnamon, and a little honey.

lemmyvore, in Where Are All The Bicycles??

I’m always reminded of Star Trek when I’m watching… Bond movies. The smorgasbord of over-the-top tech he’s using and the casual manner in which he keeps pulling them out at the right moment feels like should be right at home in the Federation.

porthos,

hahaha yup good comparison

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