This seems straightforward. You posted your opinion (which is inherently true - no one but you has access to your inner mind, so we must take it on faith you are honestly presenting your opinion to us) and the mod misrepresented this as fact so it could be labeled as misinfo.
But I doubt posting here will fix that. Mostly what you seem to have managed is to attract genocide supporters from Hexbear to troll you. As I understand it, the best way you can handle this on Lemmy is to simply find similar threads on a different instance to engage in discourse in.
‘Genocide supporters’ you crackers have supported Israel’s commission of apartheid for 30+ YEARS but let someone pipe up that it’s wrong and they’re the genocide supporter. Please go fly yourself by your ankles; you don’t deserve your humanity.
There unfortunately is no system in Lemmy (atm) to do this smoothly. When I was on lemmy.world, I used their system they had set up separately and that worked well, but for most instances, the only process to do something like that is to DM an admin directly, which will of course have greatly varied results, and that’s if the admin isn’t supportive of the abusive mod in the first place.
Lemmy isn't a place for debates and arguments. If you don't follow the direction of the topic, don't bother inserting yourself into the conversation.
You need to be nice and supportive of whatever is posted, else you're going to have a bad time.
Read their code of conduct and you'll find that it's a moderator's discretion to ban anyone they believe is disruptive, regardless of the rules.
So unless a moderator goes on a deranged banning binge, you're automatically in the wrong.
If you can't accept that, i suggest you make your own instance, with blackjack and hookers.
From their point of view, only you think there's something to be solved.
A major point of federization is not having to deal with the undesirable rabble. To have your own little slice of the internet where everybody gets along.
You don't get along, so you don't belong. Instead, you are very welcome to find or make an instance where you do belong and can engage in conversations freely.
Lemmy's solution is to make the problem go away, which is why in its eyes, there is nothing to solve.
I think the idea that this is a negative but to me it is not. If a domain or magazine is run poorly then folks then I don't want to go to it. I just want the individual ability to block at all levels working well and would love it both ways. I learned my lesson from mmo's. A completely horrible cesspit of a chat can become pretty decent with just a dozen or so blocks. People who block everyone on a whim. Well thats great as I doubt their discourse is going to be beneficial. folks that don't ban even though someones pushing the line will be rewareded with a richer experience.
I see more and more toxic behaviour here. I get that this war/conflict gets to us. And everyone has strong opinions and the debate is emotional. But it reminds me more of the toxic atmosphere that used to be part of Twitter.
I suppose the mods of political communities are having a bad day since the conflict escalated. And they are part of the debate, sometimes maybe making their decisions emotional, instead of neutral and based on reason alone. I -personally- think a 30-day is a lot, even if it is spreading misinformation. But I didn’t have a look at the facts here.
Judging by your comments in general, you seem quite an argumentative person. I usually don’t like people focusing on negativity and (for example) debunking a single argument out of a post and then concluding they’re right and someone else is entirely wrong. It leads to us having unproductive and stressful conversations, once we manoeuvre ourselves to opposing sides that lose the ability to communicate productively and grasp the bigger picture and the context that things are set in.
So. Please whoever is in the right or wrong, make Lemmy a nice place and not a clone of the toxicity and argumentativeness on Twitter. And don’t yell at people too much.
OP, please be aware you’re often a very argumentative person and a big part of your way of talking to people is opposing them.
please be aware you’re often a very argumentative person
I’m well aware of that. It’s the reason I’m on Lemmy on the first place. I love a good, long debate but I still try and be polite and listen to the counter-arguments and engage with what people are saying instead of attacking them as a person.
Judging by the comments here, I’d say it isn’t working. (That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily your fault at this point.)
All I want to say is: You and the people outright attacking you here are setting the tone of the conversation. I don’t feel entitled to lecture anyone on how to spend their time on the internet. For me, this thread is too toxic and not my vision of what Lemmy should be like.
Unfortunately, the really toxic people have arrived here, targeting you and spreading hate. I don’t think this going to become a productive conversation after that. And I really don’t have good advice here. I’m going to flag the comments that are hatred and then I’m out. I’m going to focus on some more productive things somewhere else. I wish you the best. Hope Lemmy strives to become a space for diverse opinions, constructive debate and not hatred and small-mindedness.
B-but I just want to have a civil debate about why genocide is ok, why won’t anyone be nice to me? Wyahhhhh, such toxicity! People are so small minded if they can’t accept ethnic cleansing :(
There’s a user in this thread calling us the genocide deniers while Israel unceasingly and unrepentantly destroys Gaza and its people. Like. No self awareness. No historical awareness. Just ‘Oh I have a more nuanced view of the situation’. Nuance my fucking gooch.
Dudes, Duderinas and people from all around… While I said something in the meta-debate here, I’m not engaging in the underlying argument. What are you trying to accomplish here? The people you are talking about are suffering horrible atrocities. All you can think about is hating on each other on the internet… (There has to be a better way to deal with the situation.)
Social sanction has been a part of human community dynamics since we first progressed past grunts and gestures; and you’re gonna ask a sealioning question like that.
It’s only ever the whites going to bat for Israel’s commission of genocide, too-- why? Because what Israel’s doing is 1:1 with what the colonizer pilgrims did to America. So no, I am never going to support that; because given my way, my lineage NEVER would’ve been stolen by crackers in the first place. I’d rather still fuckin be Afrikan than have to be lumped in with these murderous settlers.
I don’t mind a disagreement. Not at all. Infact I enjoy a good debate as long as both parties are doing it in good faith. This thread isn’t about that.
My suspicion lies with the entity which has air supremacy and has been dropping shitloads of bombs already. It’s not surprising that people like you will contort into any position which suits your interests.
Yesterday, at 7:00 PM, Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, which is our partner in the Diagnostic Cancer Treatment Center, was hit by two Israeli rockets. Fortunately, the extent of the damage was limited.
Today, the hospital has received orders from Israeli authorities to evacuate the facility, including patients, staff, and 3,000 Gazan people who have sought shelter within the hospital’s premises.
We call the international community and all humanitarian organizations to take action to prevent the evacuation orders for Al Ahli Arab Hospital and the other 22 hospital, as this action poses a significant risk to the lives of numerous patients.
here is a 2014 article regarding Israel bombing hospitals
The third floor of the Al-Aqsa hospital in Deir al-Balah was struck by Israeli shelling, killing four people and wounding dozens, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health spokesperson.
“Today’s attack on the Al-Aqsa hospital is the latest in a series of attacks on and near medical facilities in Gaza, which have been struggling to cope with thousands of injured people since the Israeli offensive began on 8 July,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.
You must have read the instance wrong of who you’re replying to. What’s with all of this I don’t believe anything being said anywhere crap… why even go on the internet and talk to anybody? You might as well be role playing in a chat some where.
With the major news going on right now there’s tons of people that don’t believe anything being said. Even if there’s photos and videos showing what they’re saying they don’t believe. It’s mind boggling.
What evidence do you need of anything sitting at a keyboard and not doing anything about anything though? I just don’t understand any of the arguments going on between people that aren’t going to do anything about anything other than typing on a damn keyboard.
Up untill Davel, every single user I got a reply from relating to stuff I said on that thread was either a Hexbear or Lemmygrad user and every user since Davel has been aswell.
What you said was that they were “coming after you”
I’m just making the point of stating that my conversation with you has not been “aggressive” nor has it mentioned the topic at hand. And I’m from hexbear.
I just mean that usually when I say something controversial, the people arguing against that are from all over the place, but in this case the opposition seems to be coming from these two instances almost exclusively. Even in this thread, that’s been posted on lemmy.ml there’s still a disproportionate amount of Hexbear users replying. I can’t say for certain, but it sure feels like they’re looking for me rather than just stumbling across this post.
Lol I browse All, I see a thread with lots of comments, I drop in. Nobody’s looking for you, get over yourself. Take the L. Sit out your 30 days and ply your debate pervert shit somewhere else in the meantime, the Internet is a huge place.
I’m not sure what that community would even be. I’m not interested about being surrounded by bunch of yes-men. I want my community to call me out on my bullsht because I’m going to do the same for them.
Well not really. Mostly people are just being mean and/or saying I’m wrong but no one is trying to change my mind. When I made the first post that got me banned I had just woken up and had only skimmed thru the news, but the more time passes and I look into it the more comfortable I feel with my original conclusion. At the moment it seems almost certain that it indeed was a malfuncioning Hamas rocket shot from Gaza strip and there’s plenty video evidence to back that up.
Proof you haven’t even done the first iota of investigation into the federations you talk the MOST shit about; as if you did, you’d see half the time we’re locking horns with each other over who’s got the materially correct line. No investigation, no right to speech.
We’re active in political threads since we’re both explicitly leftist instances (grad is ML, Hexbear is leftist of different stripes). Hexbear doesn’t have down votes so if we see something we disagree with, we say something. There’s not really a ‘downvote and move on’ mentality, so you’re likely to get multiple users replying to a post.
Yes this is something that Kbin users can do (by selecting More > Activity on a post) and I believe Lemmy users can do this too but not with the native inrerface
I’m on kbin and confirm that I can see who votes and if they upvoted or downvoted for posts and comments. It’s really fun to use and see people upvote their own comment.
On kbin the votes start at 0 for both up and downvotes. If I don’t manually vote on my comment it will show me 0 votes after posting. I have no idea how it appears on other instances.
On Kbin, your comment has 0 upvotes and 0 downvotes (at the time of writing this), but when I view your comment from the original instance, it shows a score of 1.
So I guess lemmy.ml defaults comments at 1 point.
EDIT: Immediately refreshed the original instance, and I'm also at 1 point within 3 seconds of posting. So yeah, that seems to just be the default score. And upvoting my own comment didn't change the score on lemmy.ml. But also, I upvoted your comment, and you're still at 1 point on lemmy.ml. So I dunno if that's a sync issue, or if "unscored" and "1 upvote" both equal "1" on the original instance.
Has it been more than a couple of days? I think the webfinger certificates are kept for 24 hours or something like that, so any changes in the certificate associated with your old user (used for signing updates) will take some time to expire and then update.
So, it'll still take a little while before it settles down, but I've seen other people in the admin chat do the same thing and it eventually recovered.
As for the subscriptions, part of the problem is the remote instance thinks you're already subscribed. I think if you unsubscribe and resubscribe it may go through, but you may also just need to use a new account name.
Thanks. Odd though that my original post (via the KNova@links.dartboard.social account) did not federate out. I’m not too worried about it as long as this second account works, but I would really like to know why it broke
Any chance it’s an nsfw community, and your account isn’t set to see that? Some of ours are NSFW by default, to blur the pictures in the general feed, and I’ve had this issue.
That’s what happens to me as well! I did a websearch for “lemmy defederation status” or something like that, and no defederation has happened between the two, in neither direction!
Follow up: lemmy.ml modlog says they removed pc master race community (which I just learn it’s not defederation), meaning we need a different account to access it
No idea why I didn’t think about checking lemmy.ml modlog, so thanks! Problem solved! Now I realize I had misunderstood defederation haha thanks again, guess I’ll make a second account on .world
You’re welcome. I think there should be a better way to communicate a removed or banned community. Maybe like a “removed/banned community for X reason” sign instead of the “community_not_found” error page.
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