Is there a community or database where people have tested different plugins on Linux either natively or with Wine to see if they can get things working?
There is, if you look up yabridge that’s like a plugin bridge that natively runs windows vsts in reaper for Linux through wine with almost no hassle. They have a list somewhere
Why has a submission about nouveau’s website devolved into Gnome/gnome devs bad, gib upvotes lol
Man I couldn’t be a Linux dev. Giving up your time to do highly skilled work for free, then you get roundly hated for it and called a piece of shit by the very people who are benefitting from your free work lol. It’d burn me out pretty quickly.
E: the other comments appear to have been removed. It was just a circlejerk about Gnome devs being evil, and mocking the dev here for having mental health struggles related to the amount of hate they receive.
I feel for that the default Linux DE will need to have an UI closer to Windows, due to user familiarity with the traditional desktop metaphor. Maybe Cinnamon or even KDE are more suited in that respect. Neither need hours of configuring either. Personally, Cinnamon with Wayland support would be perfect for me (and I suspect a whole lot of Windows migrants as well).
Gnome is nice of course in it’s own minimalist way for many,but the workflow is very different from other OSes and I think many find it too minimalist requiring extensions to improve usability therefore. However, there isn’t a stable mechanism for extensions causing breakages between versions, which can be very irritating. I don’t know if that’s now changed now though, because I have been reading about a major change in the extension mechanism in Gnome 45.
I think that’s what makes it great for newcomers though. If you show them something pretending to be windows they’ll think why not just use windows, if you show them something better they might be more impressed
Coming from Windows gnome was pretty intuitive for me, it’s got much of the same workflow still even if buttons are in different places
They absolutely do not. Their UX is based on actual usability studies, rather than just copying the Win95 UX paradigm.
You should look it up, it’s actually quite interesting.The attention to detail and the thought process of pretty much every UI element is pretty crazy.
Gnome is amazing so long as you’re not trying to use it like Windows. It’s not Windows. It’s not trying to be.
If you want to use Linux with a Windows UX, then use Plasma or Cinnamon.
Personally I find it quite refreshing to have a different choice, and IMO it’s worked out better. Even when I use Plasma, I now get rid of the taskbar/panel, use the activities view, etc. change it to the Gnome workflow, in effect.
It’s childish to call a UX bad just because you personally like things to work like Windows.
Homie. there is no thought given on how background apps should behave other than “just dont have any background apps”.
If you’re just going to make up blatant lies then I’m not even going to engage with you. Nobody ever said that, or anything like it. Nor is the statement before that true, either.
Im not even gonna mention how there’s a dang bar at the top already blocking my view, but it wont tell you which apps are open. Unless you get an extension for it.
Oh no, a bar. At the top. That’s not how Windows does it! I don’t like it!
I don’t want a tiny slim bar that gives me the Activities button, workspace indicator, workspace switcher, date, time, calendar drop down, notifications, media control, volume control, battery level, quick settings, etc. what I really need is this bar, that I’ve already said is “blocking my view” to be 3x thicker and constantly show me what I have open, despite me already knowing they’re open, because I opened them, and they’re right in front of me.
Look, if you prefer the Win95 UX paradigm, good for you. Have a gold star ⭐. Lots of people do, it’s what people are used to. There’s nothing wrong with using it.
But guess what? Not everyone wants the Win95 UX. To me, it seems archaic, clunky, the workflow is bad, it wastes space, it looks bad, and constantly makes me fight the DE whenever I have to use it.
I think several DEs could see mainstream adoption.
If the team that works on Cinnamon got a little bit more manpower and were able to implement larger changes such as adopting Wayland, I think they’d have a chance. Wouldn’t hurt to make the default theme a bit nicer too. I think the main thorn in Cinnamon’s side is the development pace and the fact that it would probably be viewed by the average person on the street as a weird Windows clone.
Plasma’s largest obstacle to mainstream adoption is bugs and instability, but in fairness it has improved a lot over the past couple of years. Seriously, compare 5.27 to any Plasma 4 release or any Plasma 5 release before like 5.16 - it’s night and day. Kwin still crashes and takes all your programs down with it, though. That’s a showstopper, but will be fixed in Plasma 6.
Speaking of Plasma 6, the fact they keep pushing it back probably means they want it stable from the beginning. KDE are doing a good job putting the “KDE is buggy” statement to bed.
I guess I agree that Gnome as it stands is the most appropriate for widespread adoption. It’s extremely polished and beautiful, it has comparatively decent accessibility features, it’s extremely stable despite being a frequently updating distro, it has amazing gesture support (better than MacOS even, imo), it’s decent in terms of touch support, the GTK4/Libadwaita app ecosystem is healthy, etc. but it’s not completely without issues.
Unfortunately this is all academic though until big laptop OEMs start actively pushing for Linux on their devices.
Counterpoint: I don’t think any Linux DE will ever see mainstream adoption.
It has nothing to do with how good they are. It’s not related to software support either. They could support every piece of software ever made; Linux supports 90% of games for Windows and emulators for dozens of other platforms and it still hasn’t attracted more than like 2% of gamers.
It’s related to what OP said: to gain mass adoption you need to put up with a lot of bullshit. It takes a company with some financial gain to do that, and paid developers. Volunteer contributors will eventually say “screw this” or go mental like Torvalds.
There’s no company that can do this. They tried and failed, because Microsoft. Apple and Google had to create their own platforms from scratch to get away from it.
ChromeOS is Linux, and it has pretty decent penetration.
And I know what you’re going to say: “But ChromeOS isn’t proper Linux”. But it’s a desktop OS based on Gentoo, built on the Linux kernel and, GNU coreutils and bash (although not GCC, as far as anyone can tell). It certainly has all the hallmarks of being GNU/Linux (or something very close to it).
The fact that it doesn’t really resemble any “mainstream” Linux distro is kind of the point. It’s a locked down corporate product with a minimalist front-end locked into a bunch of commercial web services, and that’s exactly the kind of device that sells volumes.
Mainstream Linux is a tough sell. It was a tough sell 15 years ago when PCs were still the king of personal computing. In the post-smartphone, post-iPad world which we’re in now, we have to accept that that’s never going to be the device your grandma uses to check her email.
Plenty of Linux distros aren’t just volunteer-based, and are instead made and supported by for-profit companies. Red Hat/Fedora is made by the big blue, IBM themselves; it doesn’t get much bigger than that. Ubuntu, SUSE, Manjaro, all for-profit commercial outfits. None of these are failures, it’s just that their products aren’t targeting the market for cheap commercial laptops. You can buy Ubuntu preloaded on a laptop from Dell or Lenovo, but they’re targeting IT professionals and data scientists and people who work with Linux servers. Or they’re targeting fleet deployments of 100s of devices in municipal organisations. There’s a good market there, it’s just a different market.
Maybe I’m missing some of the nuances between KDE and Gnome, but I’ve enjoyed the out of box experience with KDE far more than Gnome. That said, perhaps I’ve simply timed my switchover to Plasma such that I missed its teething pains. I say this as someone who used pretty much exclusively Gnome over the years.
The launcher is quite nice to use, fast and search oriented (I never used any of the start menu on windows besides the search bar anyway so the fact it’s the main focus is nice)
Virtual desktops (only on Wayland) are very well implemented and feel very smooth, three finger swipe works a charm, with the forge extension it tiles servicably as well
Also just one of the nicest looking DEs imo. I have since switched to hyprland because I wanted first class tiling support but I have my system UI looking very similar to gnome’s, using mostly gnome’s applications
Having used gnome on Ubuntu a couple years ago I have to say it has come miles recently (also Ubuntu’s gnome in my opinion is not as good as vanilla gnome) - it feels very clean and intuitive out of the box
The launcher is a fair point. Though for me at least, not having the spotlight-esque search hasn’t been a problem. Appearance is an odd one, since the best part of Both Gnome and KDE is the wonderful flexibility in visual customizability. At the end of the day, I suppose I’d happily use either. Right now, I think Plasma’s big features for me has to be window snapping and, once 6.0 releases, hopefully HDR support.
I don’t think gnome is particularly customizable visually, you can change theme and use extensions if you really want to buy their main focus is making one really good UI and I’ve gotta respect that
At least in my opinion gnome looks far better than KDE out of the box, KDE just looks like windows to me
Gnome has fairly good window snapping as well I think and stuff like pop shell and forge for tiling
What’s wrong with it? I’m currently using nautilus as my file browser on hyprland and it’s more than servicably
I don’t really use a file browser that much anyway so I might not be the best person to comment though. Tend to find it quicker and easier to move files around from a terminal then any file browser for everything except choosing a file for something
Tbh there’s been a known issue for like 10+ years where the file picker doesn’t allow for gallery/thumbnail viewing, or really any kind of file list viewing options aside from the absolute basic file list. So like if you’re someone who is uploading images to a website, hope ya named the files in a very specific way cause wooooh. XD
Above anything else, that was the primary reason I switched to KDE Plasma.
If that’s the only reason for switching couldn’t you just install kde’s file browser on gnome though? Or any file browser for that matter I don’t think it forces you into Nautilus
I tried that but flatpack apps kept using the Gnome file picker anyway, there were some flags for some of them to change it but having to do that for each app felt like too much of a pain ^^;
Got anything to back that up? I highly doubt the people here that were circlejerking about hating devs and even saying it’s good if they suffer mentally from abuse they receive are devs themselves.
That’s the kind of brain-dead childishness, immaturity, and lack of empathy that I’d expect from 15 year olds trying to act edgy in front of their mates.
Are you using Linux at work without systemd? Seems unlikely. All our 400+ nodes run RHEL and consequently systemd. This doesn’t seem to impact our researchers’ use of CUDA in the slightest when executing code on the nodes or in any kind of container.
The fact your comment here is at -1 really underlines the immaturity of many users.
I can understand your previous comment getting downvoted because it was a little inflammatory, but your statement here is entirely factual with a neutral tone. So there’s really no reason to disagree with it, let alone pepper it with downvotes.
Bills?! Bills?! How very dare you suggest that people require compensation for their work.
You’re in a Linux community here. Open Source development is about freedom. All work should be made freely available for users and corporations to enjoy as they wish without having to consider such frivolities of whether anyone should be compensated.
What a stupid article. It’s like saying “stop using electric vehicles because you can’t use gas stations”. I don’t understand why he’s so adamant about this? It’s not like Wayland had about 20 years of extra time to develop like X11. People keep working on it, and it takes time to polish things.
The article is 3 years old and some things are only presently being fixed NOW and due to filter down to stable distros in 2024. Furthermore wayland proponents have been claiming its totally ready for prime time and not broken at all since 2015 while promoting AMD GPUs that at that point in time still sucked hairy balls.
I now have perfect wayland setup with a Nvidia GPU. I just use my AMD Apu as main gpu and the nvidia one as secondary GPU. The DE runs on Amd and games run on Nvidia. Thanks for nothing Nvidia, making me work around your bs.
When I started with Linux, I was happy to learn that I didn’t need a bunch of separate partitions, and have installed all-in-one (except for boot of course!) since. Whatever works fine for you (-and- is easiest) is the right way! (What you’re doing was once common practice, and serves just as well. No disadvantage in staying with the familiar.)
After I got up to 8GB memory, stopped using swap … easier on the hard drive -and- the SSD. (I move most data to the HD … including TimeShift … except what I use regularly.)
I use Mint as well; for me this keeps things as simple as possible. When I install a new OS version (always with the same XFCE DE) I do put THAT on a new partition (rather than try the upgrade route and risk damaging my daily driver) using the same UserName. A new Home is created within the install partition (does nothing but hold the User folder.)
To keep from having to reconfig -almost everthing- in the new OS all over again I evolved a system. First I verify that the new install boots properly, I then use a Live USB to copy the old User .config file (and the apps and their support folders I keep in user) to the new User folder. Saves hours of reconfiguring most things. The new up-to-date OS mostly resembles and works like the old one … without the upgrade risks.
In my next reinstall, can I combine the / and swap partitions (they’re next to each other so I can do this) and will swap files just be automatically created instead?
They won’t be automatically created but you can create your own swap file on /, no need for a dedicated partition:
Use dd to create a file filled with zeros of appropriate size.
Format the file with mkswap.
Activate the swap file instantly with swapon.
Add it to /etc/fstab so it will be automatically used on reboot.
Appropriate size will vary but I suggest starting with something like 100 MB and check once in a while to see how much is actually used. If it fills up you can replace it with a larger swap file or you can simply create another one and use it alongside the first.
this is probably actually the fault of wayland and it’s fragmentation issue. Various wayland compositors have different methods of interacting with them and this includes remote/virtual input. Because of this fragmentation a lot of developers have just started to kinda give up, on wayland.
for this one specifically, I would assume any virtual input would work? there are a couple possible routes forwards, the easiest is probably using XDG’s RemoteDesktop. However not every compositor implements this, Sway will be getting it soon (or already has it using luminous). There are also numerous compositors that don’t support this.
you have wlr-virtual-{pointer,keyboard} which works on sway and mir, and thats it. I believe there was a compositor that could do this over dbus too?
the reality of wayland is, if it’s not in the core protocol, you aren’t guranteed to have support, and if it is in the core protocol, you still arent guranteed to have support, but the chances are better
So, it turns out that my RMM is working fine under Wayland. Level got back with me because they couldn’t reproduce the problem. So I tried to reproduce the problem. Only to find it is working just fine. Whatever was causing that problem, I have no idea. But it’s gone.
interesting, do you know what they were using for input? if they have an encompassing solution that could be great. if they just use xdg remotedesktop, well thats about what I have now anyways T.T
Others have said this, but just adding to the pile: I had a system running Pop and a GTX 970. I removed the 970 and installed an RX 6600 XT and had absolutely no issues (and it was the nvidia version of Pop – I simply removed the nvidia shit at a later time).
last time I checked Windows was the dominant player
Huh? I am confused now. Has the cycle come back around again because in the late 90s/early 2000s last I checked when I was into this stuff, Apple was king with Pro Tools. It's been a while, I used to mess around with FL Studio 20 years ago.
Huh, last I checked, the professional standard was Mac, at least for recording instruments. From what I vaguely recall, Windows has a latency issue due to how they handle audio stream inputs. I went through these woes myself once while using my guitar & Amp through my computer to practice with headphones on and having the music playing on top. The latency just doesn’t allow you to concentrate on what you’re playing, it completely distracts you. You can get it lower by doing something, I don’t remember what, but that solution ends up introducing random new bugs such as certain audio streams suddenly not playing at all for a while before fixing themselves, and it still doesn’t quite get latency low enough to not notice it.
Maybe it depends on who you ask or where you are. Maybe a US vs EU thing? I never was a professional Musician, but when I started reading about creating/composing music for Video Games I learned that many professional Studios run on Windows because of proprietary standards and software. that is not available for Apple (and Linux)
If I remember, there was another display protocol being developed as an answer to Wayland for BSD. I don’t remember what it was called, but that project was basically about an open source MacOS.
I think the predecessors to RavynOS, it was called HelloSystem I think. In that project, they were talking about an alternative display server protocol.
I remember having to go out of my way to get an Ubuntu machine to connect to WiFi before login for this reason. It felt strange to have to do that at first, but it’s also reassuring that the machine isn’t by default connecting to a wireless network without user input first unless I give it explicit instructions to do so.
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