Absolutely, Pop!_OS is literally made to just work™. I would recommend it in a heartbeat to anyone looking to get into Linux. The out-of-the-box experience is probably second-to-none.
In addition to all the responses here, one thing you could also do when you have a question about a distro is to just fire up a VM using for example VirtualBox and try the distro to see for yourself. Or even better, make a live USB and boot from it.
I like pop_os a lot, it’s a high quality distro they’ve assembled. Even on fedora I’ll use the pop shell extension, good QOL upgrade for gnome. So, yes. Great for browsing.
As someone who just had to shell out the money to do a lateral move from an Nvidia 2080 to a RX 6700XT - don’t go with Nvidia if you’re wanting to have a good time.
That’s what I got from my past experiences as well, but I haven’t owned anything Nvidia since the Pascal (GTX 10x0) era so I wanted to check if anything got better with their open source efforts.
Yeah, I wish it had just been theory, I wouldn’t blatantly say something like my original comment if it weren’t based off experience. I’ve written numerous comments on my experience with Nvidia + Linux [+ Wayland] - such as this comment, primarily the the second, third, and fourth paragraphs. Sadly I don’t think its possible to “relative” link direct comments, so I’ve just linked my instance instead.
Since you mentioned it’s a mobile GPU, I’m not sure if perhaps you have also have an internal GPU that is drawing your regular desktop. My friend doesn’t have nearly the same amount of issues that I have with Wayland, because he’s able to drive his desktop with his iGPU and does GPU passthrough to play games through a Windows VM - the 5600X that I have doesn’t include integrated graphics so this was not possible for me.
Either way, if it works for you then fantastic. It certainly didn’t work for me, and definitely not for a lack of trying.
What they are talking about is that some of the Wayland compositors rely on things like libinput and libdrm which are Linux specific.
This is not “Wayland” really but, from the point of view of a regular user, it may as well be. As the OP points out, there is no /usr/bin/Wayland
It is not really a great criticism although it must be frustrating for the BSD folks and others. Of course, the answer like always is to contribute. Nothing stopping anybody from taking wlroots ( or whatever ) and adding abstractions that make it more portable.
Non-Linux operating systems have already added Wayland support ( like Haiku ). If I had the time, I would add it to SerenityOS myself.
Actually, if I had the time, I might write a WaylandServer for X. First, it would be funny. Second, the people that do not want to move could stay on X forever even when everything stops supporting it. I would have to make sure that my WaylandServer could run XWayland of course.
Yeah, I was going to ask if the Wayland protocol included some Linux-kernel-specific data structures or something that would make it somehow more awkward to implement on non-Linux kernels or something.
Like if I created a protocol that included sending data encoded using the Python serialization framework called “pickle”, one could say that was a Python-specific protocol in that while it would be possible to use that protocol from other languages, it would be very weird and awkward to do so at best.
Not really knowing much about the specifics of Wayland, I wouldn’t truly know if there could possibly be anything Linux-specific in Wayland. But as far as I know, it’s entirely possible theshatterstone54 knows something I don’t.
nobody should use flatpak,snap (lennart poettering is an idiot!) and other abominations that break the only relevant dogma. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
Hahaha, I wrote a paper on the early history of M$ and the Gary Killdall story, where Gates bought QDOS (the quick and dirty operating system) to offer to IBM, after sending IBM to Killdall (so IBM can get CP/M from Killdall) but after IBM came back to Gates empty-handed (cuz Killdall was out having fun, missing the opportunity of a lifetime) Gates offered that Microsoft could do the OS for IBM so M$ bought QDOS, did some changes in branding (and other tweaks) and then got it packaged for IBM’s new computers. If I recall correctly, Killdall threatened to sue, and afterwards, there was a CP/M version offered alongside the MS-DOS version. However, the MSDOS version was like $10-$20 while CP/M was in the hundreds of dollars on top of the computer itself. So Microsoft won.
BUT this was NOT the beginning of M$. They started with BASIC interpreters for Altair when Gates and Allen were at Harvard.
Okay then. Surely you can ask for help (and receive it) without being rude to, and about the accomplishments of, developers that have made the Linux desktop accessible enough for regular folks to use.
What’s your problem with Poettering? I really don’t get it. You don’t want to use his projects? Then don’t use them. But don’t be angry at a person who made the Linux desktop NOT a mess. Everyone I’ve ever talked to agrees that the days before systemd were a mess.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that if you hate the project, don’t hate on the developer. Poettering has made a project that is universally considered an improvement to the Linux desktop space. You don’t like it? There are other projects out there. The Linux space is one of those spaces where there are always alternatives. You don’t like MS Office Online? Use LibreOffice? You don’t like that either? There is only office and others? You don’t like the direction Firefox is heading in? Use Brave. You don’t want to use Chromium because you want to prevent the domination of their browser engine? Use Librewolf. All the above applies to you, and you have simple browsing needs? Use Epiphany. You don’t like GNOME but love vim and keyboard-driven setups? Use qutebrowser or vimb (yes, there is a browser named vimb, vim with a b at the end). The point is, there is choice. You don’t like Arch because it uses systemd? Use Artix. You like runit which you used with Artix but you want more stable software? Use Void. You liked openrc instead? Use Devuan or Alpine. You don’t mind compiling from source? Use Gentoo. You want something FSF-approved? Use Guix. You like the ideas behind Guix but got tired of the software freedom stuff? Use NixOS (oh wait, that one uses systemd).
Point is, there is choice in the Linux world. It’s one of rhe things we’re famous on. You don’t like a project? Use something else. You want to share your experience and reasoning as to why you don’t like a project? Go ahead, I’d love to read about it. But looking down on and insulting developers for projects they have made, for their contributions and improvements they have brought to the space, whether you agree with them or not, is not right. People should be applauded for improving Linux. Most of them do it in their free time and do not get paid for it (not sure if Poettering started systemd as a part of his job at RedHat or in his free time, though). What I’m saying is, share your opinion on the project, and move on. If someone asks you to elaborate, you’re welcome to do so. Just don’t get the dev involved. I don’t hear of people abandoning Hyprland because of some controversial things Vaxry has said (I can no longer recall what he said exactly but I remember hearing something hadistribution).
Anyways, I’m just wasting one of, if not THE most precious resource of our lives: my time, so I’ll be wrapping up here. If you have any responses, I might read them if I get around to it, and if I find it meaningful, I might post a response. For now, I wish you all the best in your endeavours, whatever they may be, and I hope that some of the examples I gave above can be useful in guiding you towards finding a systemd-free distribution, if you choose to do so. Cheers.
remember how most ppl fanboyed elon? i do. he was crooked from day one but his spaceships where all fancy. lennart is on the same main character path. now he helps MS exfiltrate more data to US authorities…but you do you and keep rooting for him, I never will. in 10 years he more and more of his actions will have a bad impact.
in my eyes the weakes humans tend to tell ppl to go away. “if you dont like the politics here l, go away.” thats what facists do. that is what you do. “then go use another distro”. well, NO. A decent human being will fight to make a distro or country better. if i’d be a jerk like you i’d have to suggest you look for another social media plattform if you dont like the ideas of others. go find a truth social for systemd lovers.
Do you dislike/hate Systemd, Poettering, or both? And does one stem from the other?
What exactly makes Poettering crooked? Working for M$? So you’re telling me if Torvalds accepted the job offer from Jobs to work at Apple, he would be crooked too?
nothing can be gained from talking to you. your absurd positions in previous comments keeps me from further engagement. go cuddle elon or enjoy win12…cant care less.
But if you need the help of his code and products, then you should begrudging acknowledge that he is not an idiot. If you truly believe that he is an idiot, you should find a solution to your problem without pulseaudio or systemd because if not you are just an hypocrite.
dude…i am not to deceide what OS is used on some machines. and just because ppl like lennart or bill are shit, doesnt mean at some point i wont be forced to see their crap. they crap is everywhere.
idk i feel the window manager space its losing a lot with wayland and i didnt have a great experience with any wayland versions of existing WM. without even talking about the nvidia shitshow, does sway still call you a bitch for even trying to run it on nvidia?? imma stick to dwm as long as it works
I believe they try to force it asap to make pressure on applications developers to really speed things up.
When I dumped windows for the first time (maybe about 5-6 years ago) I immediately stumbled upon articles about bad wayland needing decades to mature. And here I am couple years later running linux on wayland quite happily.
Fedora is switching because Fedora is always trying to be first at everything. And because things are very close tp perfect, it means that when Fedora makes the switch, a bunch of users will use Wayland more, helping iron out the last few bugs and issues.
i just tried again, its literally impossibile to compile dwl on ubuntu 22 since libwlroots-dev is too old so youd have to compile that manually… stuff like this is what keeps me away from wayland for now
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