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Objects, in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

Damn I’m old. I had at least two of those cards

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

I thought I was old, but I've only even heard of the 3dfx 😳

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

I’m still angry at nvidia for buying their remains, and not doing anything useful with it.

3dfx had multi GPU support back then, it took quite a while afterwards until somebody else tried that.

EmbeddedEntropy, (edited )

I must be ancient then. I recognized, and I think used, all of those cards/chips.

Some personally. Some at work. At work I used to maintain and MS-DOS / early Windows graphics program. I had to test the program’s compatibility with a stack of graphics cards.

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

I’ve been using (or, in some cases, trying to use) that when it was brand new. Kernel side was relatively easy - but there was a lot of compiling custom versions of XFree86 trying to get acceleration working properly.

On the one hand a bit sad to see that kind of history I’ve experienced myself go - on the other hand, it’s probably been a decade since I’ve last used something without KMS, and the ease of use of modern KMS drivers is way ahead of all the older stuff.

damium,

I’ve had a system in the late 90s with a 3dfx voodoo card. Also had a laptop with a SIS card from the early 2000 era.

The voodoo card was THE card to have it it’s day (mine was an older second hand system though). The SIS card… for some reason they decided that standard VESA mode probing wasn’t a thing they supported and would hardware crash when that API was used. I eventually got it working in Linux after patching xfree86 to not attempt probing when loading the VESA driver.

rattking,
@rattking@lemmy.ml avatar

I had a SIS card back in the day as well. I never got it working with Xfree86 itself but I did find a proprietary xserver called Accelerated-X that supported it.

damium,

I think I remember running into that as well but for whatever reason I couldn’t get accelerated-x working with the opengl libraries I was using for school. Likely the issue was just a lack of understanding on my part as I don’t think I had a good grasp of the Linux library loader until well after I graduated.

NaoPb, in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

What do you mean obsolete. I still use 'em.

joyjoy,

Maybe you’re obsolete!

NaoPb,

Damnit you may be right!

Skyhighatrist, in Window snapping

If i3 was a bit too involved for you but you generally like the idea of a tiling window manager you might prefer AwesomeWM.

virtualbriefcase, in Mandrake Linux 10.0, from 2004. They still work too. Had to buy them on disc, slow dialup internet in those days.

Bringing back memories of my own. Mandrake in 2004 was a but before my time, but I’m sure I’ve still got my Ubuntu discs I downloaded at the local library and burned myself almost a decade after this Mandrake disk.

BetaDoggo_, in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

Dropping support after only 25 years? I can’t believe Linux is contributing to planned obsolescence.

milkjug, (edited ) in Just install EndeavorOS lol

Ex arch btw user here. I noped out and wiped after thinking I had it all nailed down, then I tried to connect my Bluetooth headphones and I came to a grand awakening. I am too old for this shit.

Installed Tumbleweed and been happy ever since.

interceder270,

I am too old for this shit.

You don’t even have to be old; just wise.

yum13241,

Tumbleweed is great, but I prefer EndeavorOS myself.

Agent641, (edited )

Starbucks coffee is great, but I prefer vicious, unrelenting cock and ball torture myself.

milkjug,

Hahaha this had me chuckling. Take my upvote you rascal.

yum13241,
  1. Stop supporting genocide (Starbucks supports Israel)
  2. EndeavorOS ain’t CBT.
al177,

Tumbleweed is boring, and that’s why it’s wonderful.

KISSmyOS, (edited )

My “I don’t have time for this” moment came when I tried to set up Nextcloud on Arch:
wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nextcloud

Meanwhile on Slackware:


<span style="color:#323232;">Configuration
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">(1) Add the following in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  Alias /nextcloud "/srv/httpd/htdocs/nextcloud/"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      Options +FollowSymlinks
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      AllowOverride All
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      
</span><span style="color:#323232;">        Dav off
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      SetEnv HOME      "/srv/httpd/htdocs/nextcloud"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">      SetEnv HTTP_HOME "/srv/httpd/htdocs/nextcloud"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">(2) In /etc/httpd/httpd.conf, enable mod_rewrite and PHP by uncommenting
</span><span style="color:#323232;">"LoadModule rewrite_module ..." and "Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf",
</span><span style="color:#323232;">then restart httpd.
</span>
milkjug,

ngl, I love how “I don’t give a fuck” the slackware authors are, they didn’t even bother with https on their official website.

KISSmyOS, (edited )

I love how their official “support” page links to a website that includes this:
www.steubentech.com/~talon/desktop/

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

lmao this is exactly the image that would pop into my head if I imagine a Slackware user in 2023.

interceder270,

You don’t need SSL if you’re not exchanging sensitive information.

If they aren’t exchanging sensitive information, then it’s less not giving a fuck and more not using technologies ‘just because’ everyone else is.

It’s a smart move.

Chobbes,

I mean… I would consider anywhere that you might download software from sensitive. This isn’t really a smart move. And sure, the mirror’s page they link to uses https, but if the regular site doesn’t a man-in-the-middle could change the url and serve an official looking malicious version… I wouldn’t consider putting your users at an elevated risk when it’s relatively easy to set up TLS “a smart move”.

interceder270,

but if the regular site doesn’t a man-in-the-middle could change the url and serve an official looking malicious version

What do you think is stopping someone from doing this?

Chobbes,

Who says it hasn’t happened? :P

If it hasn’t I would just assume that Slackware isn’t a big enough target and that anybody in the position to man-in-the-middle a large number of people would have better targets. I mean, to be clear TLS is not a silver bullet either, but it goes a long way for ensuring the integrity of the data you receive over the internet in addition to hiding the contents.

Distros usually sign their ISOs with PGP as well (Slackware does this), so it’s a good idea to verify those signatures as it’s a second channel that you can use to double check the validity of the ISO (but I’m not sure many people actually do this). Of course, anybody can make PGP keys so you have to find out which key is actually supposed to be signing the iso, otherwise an attacker can just make a bogus key and tell you that that’s the Slackware signing key (on the official website too, because it doesn’t use tls!). The web of trust arguably helps some (though this can be faked as well unless you actually participate in key signing parties or something), and you can hope that the Slackware public key is mirrored in several places that you trust so you can compare them… but at the end of the day for most people all trust in the distribution comes from the domain name, and if you don’t have TLS certificates you’re kind of setting up a weak foundation of trust… Maybe it will be fine because you’re not a big enough target for somebody to bother, but in this day and age it’s pretty much trivial to set up TLS certificates and that gets you a far better foundation… why take the risk? Why is it smart to unnecessarily expose your users to more risk than necessary?

boomzilla,

I just installed Nextcloud on Arch and the official packages caused the most headaches I ever had within my 3 years of arch. In contrast I installed the official Jellyfin and Prometheus Server packages and they ran OOTB.

I ended up with not using the official packages but extracting the tar.bz2 into /var/www/nextcloud and slightly modifying the nginx config from their site. I had to move the inclusion of the MIME-Types file to a different block for nextcloud to deliver its CSS, SVGs and images. It wasn’t exactly straight-forward too considering permissions. I found it a beast compared to many other server software.

Pantherina,

Its probably just one package. I guess for example pacman -S plasma-desktop plasma-meta flatpak fish plasma-wayland-session sddm sddm-kcm &amp;&amp; systemctl enable --now sddm does the trick.

Archinstall with the entire plasma desktop is probably also nice, or just EndeavorOS which will be preconfigured

milkjug,

I actually did the whole KDE shebang with archinstall. I never really expected that Arch btw deigned it too opinionated to just provide an audio and Bluetooth interface. Instead I have to choose between pulse audio and pipewire and bluez and a bunch of others. I just didn’t have the patience nor time to look into what and why these options are presented, and this was after I already wasted days figuring how to get my pc to boot with my 12th gen Intel and Nvidia gpu combination.

Turns out there’s a bunch of kernel finagling you absolutely have to do first before it even decides to boot from the gpu and not the igpu. Oh well.

virtualbriefcase, in Gamepad not communicating with Game

Is it wireless? If so, and the controller supports it, try using it in wired mode. Sounds pointless, but have had issues with wireless controllers that worked fine when connected via USB.

lntl, (edited ) in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

OSHA would say having a Windows install is a potential hazard because it can become dangerous if activated. To remedy, you must remove the hazard.

Safety is no accident.

downdaemon, in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!
@downdaemon@lemmy.ml avatar

people who insist on using windows should just run it in a VM, it has suprisingly low overhead these days, you can even game with it if you insist, but i’m hearing wine/proton is getting good enough that it doesn’t even matter

Jumuta, (edited )

windows’ ram overhead is insane though, it’s not like I can’t run it but I wouldn’t want to daily drive it

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Youre entirely correct about proton unless your kid wants to play fortnite

JPAKx4,

Literally the only reason I haven’t switched to a Linux distro. I hate anti cheats so much.

Grass,

To date I have not found any degree of enjoyment in any games with a windows only anti-cheat.

miss_brainfart,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

I was going to say Siege, but they removed the ability to play as a team of exclusively shield recruits, I’ve heard.

aBundleOfFerrets,

Siege is honestly awful these days (not complaining about the sci-fi ops, reality is lame as shit why not spruce it up a bit) but what they have done to the UI and the queues (bring unranked back please) is honestly unforgivable and makes the game hard to play. (It isn’t all bad, but more bad than good)

JPAKx4,

I’m unlucky, I play Fortnite with my cousin in friends.

moon_matter,
@moon_matter@kbin.social avatar

You're still stuck when it comes to anti-cheat in multiplayer games. Some do allow it to work on Linux, but a significant number don't. Hopefully the tides slowly start to change thanks to the Steam Deck.

Pantherina,

I mean I do that currently and it is okay, but file transfer is still not working. The rest is, and I think it even was pretty much ootb, but the SPICE drivers are a real hassle to get installed, while it could be a one click solution?

(This “insert spice CD” thing has no option to download the driver ISO, right?)

Also windows11 is a bit bloated. Bulk crap uninstaller and ChrisTituses Winutil really help making it less fancy but more performant, or just usable.

But yes, VM is way better than hardware. If your Laptop supports that.

flashgnash,

There is an ISO somewhere, I always struggle to find it

After that you can just download from within the VM, mount from within windows and run the installer exe

Pantherina,

Yup did that, but this needs to go automatically, like its their stuff why cant they download it themselves?

flashgnash,

Who is they? There are many tools to run VMs on Linux not maintained by rhel

Pantherina,

Idk the devs of virt-manager I guess. Not sure if its a RHEL project

pineapplelover,

I need the stability and reliability of it not running in a vm because it’s for schoolwork

redcalcium, in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old &amp; Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

ATI Rage 128, 3Dfx, S3 Savage, Intel 810, SiS, VIA and Matrox MGA DRM drivers

Those are some ancient cards! Can’t believe they’re supported this long.

KISSmyOS,

That brings me back to my first PC build, 20 years ago, using parts my friends had discarded cause they were too old.

addie,
@addie@feddit.uk avatar

I still have a Rage 128 hanging around as a ‘temporary head’ for installing headless servers. Many happy nights playing Thief: The Dark Project with it, and now it’s only good for rendering a TTY at a barely acceptable resolution. And soon, not even that. Goodbye, little e-waste :-(

grue,

Frame it and hang it on the wall.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Surround it with the box art of the games it powered so many years ago for extra nostalgia power

radioactiveradio, in Shadow Cast v0.6.1: GPU Accelerated Screen Recorder - Now with Wayland Support

Wow you’re fast, beautiful goofy picture guy.

sonymegadrive,

<3

max641, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

Moved from Fedora > Arch > Manjaro > Fedora > Debian. I consider Arch for learning purposes. For troubleshooting / recoveries , that knowledge will be a great help.

nailbar,

My path have been Slackware > Mint > Kubuntu > Arch > Kubuntu > Arch.

I forsee myself switching between a “care free” distro and Arch many times in the future.

gbin,

Funny how it is all relative…

Red hat for a few months -> Gentoo for 10 years-> Arch for another 10 years

For me this is the opposite: Every time I am forced to use Ubuntu I feel like I am in a torture chamber especially with 3rd party packages.

wim, (edited )

My lifecycle was roughly Gentoo, Mandrake, SUSE, Debian (sid), Arch, Vector, Arch, Debian (testing), Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Arch, Ubuntu, Manjaro, Fedora, and finally Debian (stable).

I used to like to mess around with the newest shiniest software but now I just want it to not be broken.

GBU_28, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

heres the thing: as a decade+ software dev, I never want to even think about my distro.

I just want Linux terminal style commands, and Linux style ssh shit to just work in the most middle of the road way as possible. I’m trying to get a job done, not build a personality.

Kushia,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

This is me too and why I no longer use Arch btw.

Zikeji,

I used Arch for AUR, but with flatpak getting more popular these last few years even the more niche stuff I had to rely on AUR for got a flatpak. So I’ve been trying out immutable distros like Fedora Kinoite.

geophysicist,

This is why I got a MacBook (unpopular opinion here)

kaesaecracker,

Macs are not really what I think of when reading “middle of the road linux”

geophysicist,

I interpreted “middle of the road” as doing nothing special, just normal tasks done a normal way and therefore hoping everything just works so you can focus on work

GBU_28,

I only ever have Mac stuff from employers, but it is nice hardware and linux-like enough for me to be happy.

Probably also helps Mac that every windows machines provided by an employer is some random HP buttbook that looks and preforms like it could be from 2021 or 2012, who knows

Diplomjodler,

Exactly. That’s why i use Mint. I don’t want to think about my operating system, I want to get stuff done.

bnjmn,

Same here fam

blind3rdeye, (edited ) in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

Too real. I booted up windows last week because I wanted to test something quickly before going to bed… starting it and testing my thing took about 5 mins; but then shutting down took more than half an hour.

Hiro8811,

Try ghost spectre. It’s a custom windows that rarely gets update. I didn’t has any problems even with cracked games. But then I left windows for Linux

dino, (edited )

custom windows that rarely gets update…

sounds like an amazing idea.

Holzkohlen,

The crap people will do to avoid just using linux, eh?

Hiro8811,

I used it along Linux for gaming but now I’m gonnatruy to game on Linux

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

If you wanna flash Android phone, or resurrect usb flash, then you’ll NEED windows, I’ve been daily driving Linux for 8 years myself, but sadly, some specific software don’t work under wine and if you run it in virtual machine then you’ll never know what’ll happen, may as well brick device you’re flashing

dino,

flash android phone = putting another OS on it? I use grapheneos, installed from my linux tumbleweed.

bruhduh, (edited )
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Nah man, lineage os on chinese unsupported phones, trying to give new life to abandoned hardware

dino,

Lineage is trash anyway: kuketz-blog.de/lineageos-weder-sicher-noch-datens…Use browser translate

numanair,

That does not sound like trash to me. I can see how those issues with Google connections are problematic for some users, but as the article acknowledges, lineage is primarily targeting people who want to update their old devices. Sounds like degoogling is best done with a different rom is all.

numanair,

ADB and Fastboot both run natively on Linux. I don’t think I’ve needed other tools since the HP Touchpad days. And that didn’t come with Android in the first place.

corrupts_absolutely,

you can flash phones through qemu

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

I tried install windows on qemu through gnome boxes, it didn’t go well, even though i used gui only options, no tinkering

corrupts_absolutely, (edited )

i am fortunate enough to not need a vm often, but the last time i had to use one, i just didnt bother with win11 and used a win 10 installer image. also i think the xiaomi tool didnt/doesnt work with usb 3.0 so i had to use usb 2.0 drivers in order to flash

bruhduh, (edited )
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, with Xiaomi there are also Linux terminal app and you can flash through adb/fastboot but i was talking about some obscure hardware like speedtrum cpus and others also obscure memory manufacturers when i ressurect usb flash drives or chinese ssd, i am using Xiaomi poco x3 pro 8/256 and Xiaomi redmi note 4 4/64 and alldocube iplay 30 pro 6/128 and ressurect second hand devices as hobby, when looking for rom reviews i check “channel48” this guy reviews new roms on old hardware

russjr08,
@russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net avatar

What manufacturer? If it’s done through Fastboot then no, it’s available on Linux just fine.

But of course, not all manufacturers use Fastboot.

Titou, in Just install EndeavorOS lol
@Titou@feddit.de avatar

“Wiki do not have answer” that’s why the wiki is also used by non-arch users ?

Tiuku,

Ay this is a funny meme and all but insulting the best linux documentation available was unnecessary

Titou,
@Titou@feddit.de avatar

yep

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