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aswinbenny, in "Help me choose my first distro" and other questions for beginners

I think one should first jump from DE to DE and find the best choice for them. Then look at distros that implement those DE really well. 🙂

interceder270, in "Help me choose my first distro" and other questions for beginners

Just use Linux Mint or Manjaro.

Diplomjodler,

Manjaro is not suitable for beginners.

GravitySpoiled,

Manjaro is not suitable.

yoz, in Based KDE 🗿

What’s plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.

Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.

KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as “KDE” by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.

KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.

yoz,

Thanks for the explanation. Really appreciate it.

Acters,

an linux operating system made by the KDE team

Blackmist,

Since when has KDE been an OS?

IlliteratiDomine,
@IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub avatar

Plasma isn’t a KDE OS, but Neon is.

dangblingus,

Literally according to KDE’s own tweet (whatever they call tweets on mastodon) which is the subject of this thread.

1984, (edited )
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Things are more interesting in the Linux world. Plasma is just a user interface, a desktop environment. The actual operating system is Linux. And we have so many choices for how we want our desktop environment on Linux, but Plasma is the most advanced one.

Acters,

I said its a linux operating system, and the whole installation from Desktop environment to the compiled kernel and preinstalled executables was carefully made by the KDE team. They literally said Operating system on their mastodon post, “toot,” this lemmy post shows. So its correct what I said

allywilson,

raises pendantic finger Ah-hem, sorry, but KDE Plasma isn’t an OS. It’s a desktop environment. For an OS bundled/built-around Plasma then Kubuntu or KDE Neon are both Linux distributions that would better fit that description.

glasgitarrewelt,

We could call it Plasma/Linux or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Plasma plus Linux.

JuxtaposedJaguar,

Thank you for interjecting.

Acters, (edited )

KDE’s plasma centered Linux Operating system. So to not be overly pedantic, I stuck with what this lemmy post was about. I didn’t say the plasma desktop environment was an OS.

I said “a linux operating system made by the KDE team” in which the KDE team referenced their OS as Plasma in the Mastodon post, or “toot,” shown in this lemmy post.

psud, (edited )

Or a GNU operating system with a Linux kernel and KDE desktop environment

But that’s a mouthful

frostinger, (edited )

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  • DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited )

    No wonder lemmy user base Is dropping with holier than comments like this. Let me guess, you use arch too?

    frostinger, (edited )

    Oh sure, defending people who aren’t even willing to read the text of the post while also attacking the one who complains about that circumstance is better, right?

    Dracula_on_a_bike,
    @Dracula_on_a_bike@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Well, although usually it’s a good idea to read the original post first, in this instance the original post is at best misleading because it refers to Plasma as an “operating system” rather than a desktop environment.

    (Or for those who want to use even more precise terminology: its full name is either “Plasma Desktop” or “KDE Plasma Desktop”, because KDE also has some non-desktop environments such as Plasma Mobile and Plasma Bigscreen… none of which are as popular as Plasma Desktop, though, so usually Plasma Desktop is colloquially called just “Plasma”.)

    frostinger,

    I never said anything regarding the truth of the original posts claim; it’s just irritating when people start asking questions without even reading what was initially written.

    daed,

    Whoosh

    frostinger, (edited )

    woof woof

    Kuhelika,
    @Kuhelika@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    It’s a desktop environment for linux operating systems. Desktop environments pretty much dictate how a pc looks. KDE Plasma,Mate, Gnome, Cinnamon etc are some famous desktop environments

    smileyhead,

    KDE Plasma is an desktop environment.

    The kind of thing you interact outside of installed app/programs. Like the panels, window decorations (titles, close buttom, maximalize button), the way windows float and behave, system settings, etc.

    Unix systems (like Linux) are very modular and you can install different desktop environments if you want. And even within those desktops are modules, like you can install different “start menu” or file manager on KDE Plasma.

    indigomirage, (edited ) in Linux Mint XCFE -> Gnome?

    I used to use xfce quite a lot (very lightweight and great for anything virtual, especially). I recently installed the latest Ubuntu with gnome. It’s actually pretty good, but… Oh man do I ever wish that top notification bar could be merged with the task bar (and relocated to the bottom). Also, the extensions designed to auto-hide it no longer work!

    My reflex action to close a window is to mouse up to the corner of the screen and click. This is ineffective if there’s an immovable top bar there in the way and taking up limited screen real estate.

    I’d switch to KDE (or Sway, or…?) , but they don’t have a Wayland RDP server… yet. (I use this.)

    Anyway, give it a try. Gnome is okay when you get used to it, but my impression is that it seems to resist flexibility for its users, and this is quite sad, actually. (I’m still using it, and I’m eager to be wrong here.)

    aswinbenny, in Selecting the New Face of openSUSE is Underway

    Bottom and 2nd from left Bottom and right most

    These look nice

    De_Narm, in Selecting the New Face of openSUSE is Underway

    Personally, I like the theme by td0 the most. Minimalism was never my preferred style. Although, I don’t like the color choice for leap specifically.

    executivechimp, in Selecting the New Face of openSUSE is Underway
    @executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Bottom row, far right. Simple, minimalist, caffeinated, unhinged.

    smileyhead,

    People would ask what guy is it

    Abnorc,

    I don’t hate it. I feel like the goofy smile makes it just distinguishable enough to stick out from all the other minimalist logos.

    TWeaK,

    Also looks like Toothless from How To Train Your Dragon.

    HappycamperNZ,

    This is a very important feature

    moreeni, in Selecting the New Face of openSUSE is Underway

    I love all of the minimalist options here, they are so cute!

    RagnarokOnline, in Selecting the New Face of openSUSE is Underway

    Bottom row, 2nd from the left. Simple, clean, distinct.

    otter,

    Does the order get shuffled each time?

    SpaceNoodle,

    In the thumbnail?

    SatyrSack,
    demonsword,
    @demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

    Ailyaut must be a debian fan :)

    SpaceNoodle,

    No

    SpaceNoodle,

    Agreed, it really stands apart from all the rest.

    Kusimulkku,

    Even from the one right next to it that looks almost identical??

    SpaceNoodle,

    Especially that one.

    WhiteHotaru,

    These are two variations from the same artist.

    Abnorc,

    Aliyaut’s logo? It is clean, but it’s hardly even identifiable as a gecko. It blends in too much with all the modern corporate logos we have today IMHO. It’s not a bad choice if they decide to go with it, but they could do better.

    glennglog22, in "Help me choose my first distro" and other questions for beginners
    @glennglog22@kbin.social avatar

    This is pretty useful information as someone that has used Linux off and on (still essentially a beginner). I'd like a bit more elaboration on why it is that Snaps is bad though, as I'm currently using Kubuntu and I haven't found anything seemingly wrong with it on my end.

    wfh,

    I’ve edited and merged the Snap paragraph with Flatpaks. After all, they serve the same purpose.

    WalrusByte,
    @WalrusByte@lemmy.world avatar

    From what I hear, it just makes things slower, and it’s proprietary. Basically exactly what OP said. It also makes a ton of loop devices, so if you’re working with them yourself it’s kind of annoying.

    atzanteol,

    They don’t make everything slow. And a beginner isn’t going to notice or care about loop devices.

    lemmyvore,

    There isn’t anything wrong. Many of the things that “common crowd wisdom” in the Linux community says are bad are just drama. They get into their own heads about something and lash out at anything that’s different.

    Sanyanov, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

    Arch is easy to install; it’s a headache to manage.

    If you want a stable Arch, you need to check the updates and take very granular control over packages and versioning.

    While some nerds may like tinkering with their system in all those ways, for regular user Arch is simply too much effort to maintain.

    corship,
    Sanyanov,

    Useful, but still it kinda makes you read through all the update news, which is…why?

    I’d like to just hit update and not bother.

    corship,

    Then you’re on your own. What the duck 🦆 do you expect to happen if you can’t even invest the 10sec to skim over a message (in the few events that there even is one) to see if it affects you and any manual intervention is required.

    Sanyanov, (edited )

    A fully functional system, just like any other normal OS?

    You hit update - boom - you get one, seamlessly, with no breakages and no other user interaction. And that’s how it works pretty much everywhere - except, you know, Arch.

    If you’re fine with it - that’s fine, go ahead and tinker all you like. But don’t expect others to have the same priorities.

    corship,

    Yeah just like the FORCED Microsoft updates that broke like hundreds of businesses?

    notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-reimburses-travel-age…

    Dude go touch some grass

    Sanyanov, (edited )

    Man that’s news from 2016, like, it’s a bit rare occasion, y’know. You’re way more likely to get borked by Arch even after reading all the instructions, and it did happen numerous times.

    Touching grass is what I do when you take steps to intervene in your system to make an update work.

    I see you are an Arch maximalist, but that goes beyond reason. Even Arch proponents are normally not as aggressive on the topic, and admit Arch is too complicated in that regard.

    corship, (edited )

    You’re just going to shift goalposts every time I’ll post something.

    Not recent enough. Not enough cases. That’s different.

    And lastly you’ll just claim I do it because I’m an arch maximalist, despite not knowing anything about me :)

    UnfortunateShort, (edited )

    It is actually very easy:

    1. You setup auto-snapshots (almost trivial)
    2. You update
    3. Evaluate
      3.1) Repeat goto 2
      3.2) Rollback goto 2

    The only problem here is that snapshots (and btrfs for that matter) are not the default behaviour. I would really appreciate Endeavour having this as the default setup. It is very likely what you’d want.

    Sanyanov, (edited )

    True, but if snapshots turn from first line of catastrophe response to a regular tool, this is not a good experience.

    Also I believe Garuda has enabled snapshots and btrfs by default.

    UnfortunateShort,

    Yes, Garuda does, even with bootable snapshots, but it’s otherwise not as clean as Endeavour. As far as I can tell, mkinitcpio/GRUB2 or their setup thereof causes more problems than it solves. My system was bricked multiple times until I switched to a dracut/systemd-boot setup, which works flawlessly since quite a while.

    As for the user experience, there are 0 distros you should perform a (major) upgrade on without taking a snapshot first. I had broken systems after apt upgrade. From my point of view rolling vs versioned release are basically occasional mild vs scheduled huge headaches.

    tigaente, in Any experience with teaching kids Linux?

    My kids only know Linux and have never seen Windows in their life before. They know their way around KDE just fine and get the stuff done they need. For gaming, it is steam with proton but mostly they game on consoles.

    kzhe, (edited ) in "Help me choose my first distro" and other questions for beginners

    Dash-to-dock or Dash-to-panel are must-haves

    I strongly object to this, having used neither on stock GNOME for the majority of my time on Linux. These extensions make GNOME different from intended and not necessarily better, and while beneficial to some are hardly must-haves.

    wfh,

    OK I’ll reformulate, thanks.

    highduc, in tip for dealing with audio mixing in movies

    Does anyone know of a way to make this work with Jellyfin?

    corrupts_absolutely,

    you can use ffmpeg to apply the filter to the file itself and then just distribute the result

    toothbrush, (edited ) in Selecting the New Face of openSUSE is Underway
    @toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    In my opinion one of the full design themes should be picked because some of those single designs look very nice individually but would clash with others.

    My pick would be Emiliano’s theme, it looks the most like an evolution of the opensuse style. Imo the others are either a bit too minimalist or deviate too strongly from the original design.

    Nikolayan’s design is also good, but I prefer Emiliano’s because that you can recognise the chameleon better in every logo.

    WhiteHotaru,

    I like this one

    https://en.opensuse.org/images/1/1e/Overview_by_pprmint..png

    It is a friendly recognizable chameleon and they did a good job with integrating the existing abstract logos.

    From the Solo designs I loved the ones with the branch with different endings a lot. It had a warm touch to it, but was a little to filigrane for a logo.

    Kusimulkku,

    That one is my favourite. Cute chameleon (or was it gecko), but also simple. Looks great

    flyos,
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    Always has been a chameleon. It was named Geeko, which generated some confusion.

    EinfachUnersetzlich,

    Kinda looks like an embryo to me.

    AwwTopsy,

    I can’t help but see a squirrel!

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